Tren: BAD WRONG T-mag/Biotest info-

[geoboy]

here's a great example of why this board rocks. From reading the mods and vets posts, I know the follwing excerpt (co-authored by bill roberts) is bullshit: (BTW- finasol is fina combined with their biotest product androsol)

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Now, since my Finasol experiment, there have been rumors of people getting gyno using topical Fina. This is odd because neither Androsol nor trenbolone can lead to gyno. So either these reports are false (perhaps yet another case of "psychological gyno"), or there’s something we don’t know about yet.
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Regardless of the cause, there are enough reports to make Clomid seem like a good idea when using transdermal Fina. If you’re worried about gyno, you could always add 50mg of Clomid per day to your stack and this should take care of any problems, if there are any problems to begin with.
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for the sake of new readers (correct me if I'm wrong), Clomid is useless for tren gyno as it is caused by progesterone not estrogen. need dostinex/bromocriptiene.

 

[guards]

lol

 

[Nelson Montana]

I've always known bill roberts to be an idiot, but he isn't this stupid. That article was probably written by TC or Chris Shugart (i.e. mini TC) and bill roberts can't say anything about it. If he did, he'd be censored or fired and there's no way he's going to give up on the sweet scam he has going with Biotest to peddle his garbage supplements.

 

[manny78]

here's a great example of why this board rocks. From reading the mods and vets posts, I know the follwing excerpt (co-authored by bill roberts) is bullshit: (BTW- finasol is fina combined with their biotest product androsol)

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" ...
Now, since my Finasol experiment, there have been rumors of people getting gyno using topical Fina. This is odd because neither Androsol nor trenbolone can lead to gyno. So either these reports are false (perhaps yet another case of "psychological gyno"), or there’s something we don’t know about yet.
. . . . . .
Regardless of the cause, there are enough reports to make Clomid seem like a good idea when using transdermal Fina. If you’re worried about gyno, you could always add 50mg of Clomid per day to your stack and this should take care of any problems, if there are any problems to begin with.
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for the sake of new readers (correct me if I'm wrong), Clomid is useless for tren gyno as it is caused by progesterone not estrogen. need dostinex/bromocriptiene.

ahahahahaha......

 

[Spidey]

That is pretty funny. However, I should point out that you're only half right. Clomid (nolva would be better) can help with progestin related gyno. I know, you say that nolva is an estrogen blocker so what does that have to do with progestins? Well, there are 3 or 4 hormones that are all necessary to be present for gyno to develop. Estrogen, progesterone, prolactin, and (I think) IGF-1 (any of you science types feel free to step in on this one). If you block any of those hormones, gyno won't develop. Without estrogen, you could shoot yourself full of straight progesterone itself and you wouldn't get gyno. So, to recap, taking an estrogen blocker like nolvadex would help with progestin related gyno.

 

[Nelson Montana]

That is pretty funny. However, I should point out that you're only half right. Clomid (nolva would be better) can help with progestin related gyno. I know, you say that nolva is an estrogen blocker so what does that have to do with progestins? Well, there are 3 or 4 hormones that are all necessary to be present for gyno to develop. Estrogen, progesterone, prolactin, and (I think) IGF-1 (any of you science types feel free to step in on this one). If you block any of those hormones, gyno won't develop. Without estrogen, you could shoot yourself full of straight progesterone itself and you wouldn't get gyno. So, to recap, taking an estrogen blocker like nolvadex would help with progestin related gyno.

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Yeah, but estrogen would have to be non existant which is neither practical or healthy. Not to mention, Clomid isn't a true estrogen antagonist so it won't necessarily lower estrogen and in many cases, it seems to exasperate the symptoms of excess estrogen.

 

[kronk]

OMG, you have got to be kidding. LOL

 

[Spidey]

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Yeah, but estrogen would have to be non existant which is neither practical or healthy.

No, estrogen wouldn't have to be non-existant; only blocked well enough to eliminate it's influence in breast tissue.

..Not to mention, Clomid isn't a true estrogen antagonist so it won't necessarily lower estrogen and in many cases, it seems to exasperate the symptoms of excess estrogen.

Actually, clomid is a true estrogen antagonist in breast tissue. However, as I said, Nolvadex would be better than Clomid in this regard. Nolva is more specific for breast tissue and it is more potent than clomid. Also, no one is claiming that clomid (or nolva) lowers estrogen. They simply block the estrogen receptors and keep estrogens from binding. No binding to the ER's, no influence. They do nothing to lower the overall level of estrogens floating around. If by exasperating the symptoms of excess estrogen, you mean the moodiness that goes with clomid treatment, that would be because it is a SERM. It acts as an estrogen agonist in the brain but an estrogen antagonist in breast tissue. The moodiness doesn't have anything to do with your breasts, LOL, just your brain.

 

[XBiker]

Another good reason to iggy the T-Mag crew.

 

[Quadsweep]

psychological gyno!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!

 

[jubei]

WTF, psychological gyno? Come on now. Nolvadex would help much more than clomid, but I'd still go with bromo or bromo/nolva. Clomid is not a very potent "anti-e"

 

[BioAS]

Not happy with t-mag or products

Just to add a little to this post. I have to say I am not happy with t-mag lately. They have stopped using Charles Poliquin and that sucks, then I have tried several of their supplements and I am not pleased at all with the results. I wonder if the people who post on their forum with results are just the staff to build up false good words about their products. Either way I personally think Hot-Roxs, Methoxy7, and Grow(overpriced) all are not that great. Thats just my personal experience though.

 

[genarr4]

I think I'm getting psychological gyno. What do I take for that?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Damn...after reading that article I think I'm getting psychological gyno from my tren too. My nipples are feeling really sensitive...actually its kinda nice... think I'm going to go and jerk off now...

 

[XBiker]

I think I'm getting psychological gyno. What do I take for that?

Daily affirmations with Stuart Smalley should keep the boobies away.

 

[Terd]

psychological gyno!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!

Would it be possible to get psychologicaly jacked?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Would it be possible to get psychologicaly jacked?

I believe so. I base this on a simple observation. There is a kid at my gym, about 18, who is about 120 ibs. He takes his shirt off when he works out if the gym is packed at night, and then flexes in the mirror between his sets. This has gone on for about a year. I tried to give him some advice one day, but unfortunately neither his english nor my spanish were good enough to alow for any exchange of information. Anyway he is definately psychologically jacked.