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androjunkie
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Does anybody have any proof that tren is hard on your kidneys? I haven't used it yet but was planning on it when I run my cutter this summer. Any information, even personal experiences welcome.
Tren and kidney problems
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androjunkie
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Is there a risk of permanent damage or is it only temporary. Also do you know why it causes that?HumanTarget said:
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PolfaJelfa
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Ive got your proof. My word. I have used it and felt the kidneys working hard when i got down bellow 1.5 gallons of water per day. ITS A FACT.
So just be carefull bro, drink you rwatter, use sparingly and not for a long duration, take your cranberry extract or whatever.....and enjoy the crazy strenght, power an dhopefuly size you will gain.
So just be carefull bro, drink you rwatter, use sparingly and not for a long duration, take your cranberry extract or whatever.....and enjoy the crazy strenght, power an dhopefuly size you will gain.
androjunkie
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Damn it! I've got sensitive kidneys. I've taken them to hell and back in my teenage years, so I try to take care of them now. Were you dosing ED or EOD?PolfaJelfa said:
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PolfaJelfa
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Eod 150 mg....doesent matter if you use ed or eod....wha tmatters for kidneys is the dose
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Is the throbbing caused by high BP?HumanTarget said:
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By the way i dont plan on doing tren ever again...In my oppinion that shit is to damn toxic.....unless your a pro bb i would discourage it....id much rather do 2 or 3 g test a week and have less stress on the body.
( btw i dont do doses that high) ive only went up to 1.5 g test a week for a while
( btw i dont do doses that high) ive only went up to 1.5 g test a week for a while
androjunkie
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Can you still make good gains at 75mgs EOD?PolfaJelfa said:
androjunkie
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My thoughts exactly.HumanTarget said:
no, it's the toxins in the kidneys, a sign of damage. i sure the hell am not gonna encourage you to use that stuff, especially with what you said. i used tren for quite a while prolly 2 or 3 times longer than most guys, as far as i know, i haven't had any permanant damage. jus be careful, eh? get those detoxes and use them without fail.
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PolfaJelfa
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That would not be good due to its half life.....I dont like to poke each day( too much scar tisue etc) so i just did 150 eod ....by end of day 2 the dose way substantially down in the system....
if you plan od doing 75 eod that would suck...if you want to go low dosages (which is smart bro) go with 40me ED or so.
if you plan od doing 75 eod that would suck...if you want to go low dosages (which is smart bro) go with 40me ED or so.
androjunkie
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Every friend I have has used it, with tremendous results, vascularity, fat loss, crazy gains in strength, and lean body mass. It sounded like what I needed to put me over the mark. On the other hand though, most of the people I know(except a few) have experienced bad sides; night sweats, insomnia, very high BP, and an all over shitty feeling.PolfaJelfa said:
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In my oppinion Tren is too toxic vs. muscle gain. It is VERY VERY androgenic....shit..it will make you mad mad strong in gym, and very very agressive...but the anabolic properties of it are from what i ve noticed nothing That special.. although very nice.....
Id much rather do safer things for longer periods of times.
Id much rather do safer things for longer periods of times.
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PolfaJelfa
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Tren is what i call an overnight drug kicks in fast and makes you crazy strong and will produce good gains...i on the other hand preffer to use Deca/Test stacks or Deca /Eq stacks over long times an dminimize sides.....also the muscle will all be keepable while if you use tren for short periods of time...and get off your body will not have time to get used to the msucle and will shed a good portion of it even with good PCT...
androjunkie
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Now why can't everybody be as helpful as this? I really appreciate you guys taking the time to answer my question. If I hadn't have heard this stuff I would've ended up taking it and maxing out the dosage(as I have a tendency to do) then fucked myself up. I've already given you both K but if I could give you more I would. You more than likely saved me a trip to the hospital.
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PolfaJelfa
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Im going to bed bro. See wha tothe rbros tell you in morning and think about what we said. Everyone makes his own decisions bro,
Peace
Peace
androjunkie
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I'm so fuckin' sick of test. I need to grow some balls or should I say lose some and run a cycle without it. Now that I've heard this about tren, I'm back to square one, I don't know what else to use. I've tried just about everything except for deca.PolfaJelfa said:
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Glad i could help bro, i sure have made a few mistakes when i was begining too bro. So it feels good helping another bro out so he doesent have to learn by trial and error as i did for a while. Btw is that you in the avatar?
androjunkie
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That is or should I say was my best friend/training partner. He died last year. I'm not too far behind him but he was one strong mofo. 440lb bench, 500+lb squat, etc. He was 6'0 at about 245lbs. I put a picture of him up because he used to be on this board a lot.PolfaJelfa said:
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Im no tgoing to sleep before i find out wtf happened to him?(God bless his soul)
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PolfaJelfa
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Dont tell me it was due to juice....i will have a hard time sleeping
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PolfaJelfa
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Bro anwser the question so i can go to sleep
androjunkie
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He was 22yrs old, he died on September 2 of 2003 which just happened to be my birthday. We were both bouncers for a bar in the town we lived in, he also owned the gym I trained at. Anyways he died of a massive heartattack, the cause of which is still unknown to me, the coroner said that he had a very enlarged left ventricle(due to steroid use and the weight he was pushing no doubt). He didn't show up for work one night, then he missed our workouts 2 days in a row, everybody asked me where he was but I couldn't get a hold of him, then I get a call saying that some girls found him dead in his house, and that he had been that way for 3 days.PolfaJelfa said:
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Um...not what i wanted to hear im around 22 bro. And i plan on getting 110% thurough tests done on me yearly as soon as my financial situation is better and i have the correct insurance.
That fucking sucks dick bro, i am very sory to hear that(i mean it). When that shit hapens to 1 of us it feels like you knew the person.
That fucking sucks dick bro, i am very sory to hear that(i mean it). When that shit hapens to 1 of us it feels like you knew the person.
androjunkie
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To ease your mind, he had started abusing prescription drugs, such as xanax, valium, oxycontin, vicodin, etc. On top of that, he did a show where he used way too much pre-contest drugs IMO. He also abused cocaine for many years, he wasn't addicted but he was definately a weekend warrior, every weekend. He did become hooked on painkillers at the end, and I asked my doctor(we both went to the same one) what killed him but he knew nothing about it. After telling him a brief history of his drug use, he told me that the combination of cocaine and opiates was more than likely what did him in. I wish I knew for sure, trust me, its caused me a few sleepless nights.PolfaJelfa said:
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I didn't mean to ruin your night.PolfaJelfa said:
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Thanks for that bro, i will sleep a little better. Your freind looks like my training partner who got me into bbing. This is exactly the reason i no longer do orals or tren etc. Im young...i want to be bigger but ive got time.... in my oppinion id rather live longer big than blow up overnight and pay the price.
Off to bed, Peace
Off to bed, Peace
ericahls
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Wow after reading this post I thought I would chime in.
Years ago when I first started out with steroids (age 26) I was obsessed with getting big and strong. I had always worked out but had never went above 165lb at 5in 9 ½. When I finally got into roids, I took it very slow, using 5mg/day of Dbol as my first cycle. Over the next 2 years though I ran the gambit of everything, from Anadrol to Winstrol. My weight went from 165lb to 210lb. My bench press went from 235 for 1 to 425 for 3. I was a freakin monster and I loved it. I hovered at this size for another year until I started to realize that 18 year old boys thought I looked awesome while girls in general were afraid of me, NOT the intended side effect that I was looking for. I finally deiced to use only the compounds that worked best for me and had the least sides. The combo that I came up with was Eq, Winny and now recently, OT.
So what’s your point you say, well here it is.
I am lucky, very lucky. After my heavy trial and error phase of steroid use I only came away with hair growth on my back and severe gyno in both breasts, which have been removed. I personally am much happier with my physique now. Sure I can’t bench 425, so what. I am 36 and feel great. If things would have gone the other way and I developed a serious, life threatening condition, do you think ANYONE would care that I was once really big and strong, NO. I would just be another said story of someone who gambled and lost. Figure out what it is that you are trying to do with Body Building. Then think ahead 10 years and ask yourself will I still be healthy and happy or will I have pushed it too far. There is always a price to pay doing what we do. The trick is to try and minimize this price as much as possible and still get our desired results.
Years ago when I first started out with steroids (age 26) I was obsessed with getting big and strong. I had always worked out but had never went above 165lb at 5in 9 ½. When I finally got into roids, I took it very slow, using 5mg/day of Dbol as my first cycle. Over the next 2 years though I ran the gambit of everything, from Anadrol to Winstrol. My weight went from 165lb to 210lb. My bench press went from 235 for 1 to 425 for 3. I was a freakin monster and I loved it. I hovered at this size for another year until I started to realize that 18 year old boys thought I looked awesome while girls in general were afraid of me, NOT the intended side effect that I was looking for. I finally deiced to use only the compounds that worked best for me and had the least sides. The combo that I came up with was Eq, Winny and now recently, OT.
So what’s your point you say, well here it is.
I am lucky, very lucky. After my heavy trial and error phase of steroid use I only came away with hair growth on my back and severe gyno in both breasts, which have been removed. I personally am much happier with my physique now. Sure I can’t bench 425, so what. I am 36 and feel great. If things would have gone the other way and I developed a serious, life threatening condition, do you think ANYONE would care that I was once really big and strong, NO. I would just be another said story of someone who gambled and lost. Figure out what it is that you are trying to do with Body Building. Then think ahead 10 years and ask yourself will I still be healthy and happy or will I have pushed it too far. There is always a price to pay doing what we do. The trick is to try and minimize this price as much as possible and still get our desired results.
androjunkie
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ericahls said:
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Man thats a tough story. His death sounds like a true loss.
Its good of you to post it, not only in his memory but as a warning to others; its easy to pretend that juicing isn't a risk, it may not be as bad as the media say but risks are there. Stories like yours and your friends can calm the bragging and risk taking that it is easy to get sucked into.
Its good of you to post it, not only in his memory but as a warning to others; its easy to pretend that juicing isn't a risk, it may not be as bad as the media say but risks are there. Stories like yours and your friends can calm the bragging and risk taking that it is easy to get sucked into.
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All good posts...however i have to disagree with you abou tthe size thing...older chicks 27+ love love love love huge guys....love love love..... and if you are huge and cut...mmmmm.....
I have noticed that the younger ones as well as soem of the older ones are just scared if your realy bloated
I have a saying though..... "without the bloat the boat dont float"
Being bloated is worth it for a period of time as when you get cut up...everyone asks you..."man damn damn bro ho wdidi you get so huge...wow"
I have noticed that the younger ones as well as soem of the older ones are just scared if your realy bloated
I have a saying though..... "without the bloat the boat dont float"
Being bloated is worth it for a period of time as when you get cut up...everyone asks you..."man damn damn bro ho wdidi you get so huge...wow"
massatronic
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When you get big you haveto go to them rather than let them come to you. You get the surprised 'I used to be scared of you but...'
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massatronic said:
HOW TRUE ...you picked the words out of my brain....karma to you bro
I don't know bro. I took Tren at 100mgs ED for about 100 days straight! I took my cranberry extract and drank a lot of water. Bloodwork came back saying everything was A ok!
Dieselgoku23
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OMG this is so right I use to get sooo much ass when I was about 205lbs then now that I'm 237lbs and is true women around 30 and up love it but around my age 18-25 not so lucky, by the way I'm 22. Well after this bulking winter going to start to cut down for the summer and see how it goes
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it also depends on what kind of tren you areusing,if it is from pellets it is more toxic than from raw powder.i only use raw tren powder and the sides are nowhere near as bad
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What?! How the fuck is that? I used both and I can't tell the damn difference!
