*Tren a revision on the amount of weeks*

[nautica]

I mean aren't they the same thing (basically)?

Both have the anabolic trebolon.

But fina is: trebolon accetate

and Parabolan is:

trenbolone hexahydrobencylcarbonate

Basically, the same

Nautica

 

[HappyScrappy]

once you get the ester off then you have the same thing - one is a short ester the other is long acting.

also, fina if anything lowers your GH levels - not raise them (it raises prolactin levels which in turn will lower your GH levels) - but it DOES raise IGF-1 levels.
there are others issues that I have with this post, but they are not particularly relavant to the discussion at hand.

fina's results are largely based on dose, and that ideal dose for each individual changes over time and usage - and with greater doses you see increased sides. hence why I stopped using it. (the biggest annoyance is it increases body hair growth more than any other steroid I've seen)

have fun storming the castle

 

[WannaImpress]

Chuck T

Im on my second cycle using tren. Tren for 9 weeks, add in winny tabs for the last 5weeks. But from what I have notced when I was on the fina only, I would gain most of my weight the first couple weeks using it then I would stay the same weight and start leaning out after that.

It could be from a stable caloirc intake not allowing me to gain more mass and instead lean out when I reach the maximum weight for the calories I consume, but I still believe that the "fat burning" effects really kick in a little later in the cycle.

Once you see how tren can transform your body, you stop worrying about ED injects and start looking foward to them b/c of he new changes it will make to your body.

Chuck

I have also heard of this awesome results from a previous Mod on this board, can't recall at this momemt who it was. As you stated above most of his weight came from his first few weeks on Fina and then started to lean out more as his cycle progressed. Looking foward to my upcoming Test/Tren/Winny cycle!

 

[DNIndustry]

I am cycling 100mg Fina/ED Currently with 2g Sust/100mg Dbol ED/800mg EQ
I really never saw any results on purely fina. When I started to add test and winny(Previous cycles) I really started to notice it first in my forearms. There is little fat there already and by just doing my normal exercizes the veins started to pop and the muscle gained a ridgid shape.
I am going to be running fina @ 100mg/ed for 12 weeks then bump it to 150mg/ed for 10 weeks.
Ill keep any sides posted.
I am only 1 month into my current cycle (Fina @week 3) so only 2 weeks of fina so far...All I have noticed is fina cough once. It was bad. I injected into my R Pec 500mg Sust/75mg Fina and a minute later 400mg EQ & 25mg Fina into my R Tri. I couldnt even finish pushing the plunger with out coughing violently. i just about puked. Actually I did A little

 

[HighIntensity]

also, fina if anything lowers your GH levels - not raise them (it raises prolactin levels which in turn will lower your GH levels) - but it DOES raise IGF-1 levels.
there are others issues that I have with this post, but they are not particularly relavant to the discussion at hand.

in a study performed by the dep. of animal studies, rats who were injected fina over a two week period increased their GH levels.

now what other isssues do you take with this post

 

[HappyScrappy]

did you read the rest of the study?
increased GH levels will make you secrete more prolactin, which then negates the release of the GH.
IGF-1 is where the fat loss and mucle gains are coming from. (although you could argue that even when using HGH, the real gains from that are that it increases the growth factors in the body)

as for the rest of it - how many cycles have you done and what doses are you doing right now?

I'm with you in that fina is good stuff - at least the first time you use it.

as for the grammar and spelling errors, this is the net and I suppose one can't expect too much

 

[HighIntensity]

as for the grammar and spelling errors, this is the net and I suppose one can't expect too much

Fucker

I think through reading and education, plus 2 cycles myself it is clear that finaplix can not be effective in a six week cycle. People come on this board and state after two or three injections they are putting up insane weight and gaining lbs.

bullshit

if we are talking ed at 37 mgs or eod at 75 mgs then it will take at least two- three weeks to see any true effects of the roid. Thus doing a six week experience would mean never hitting a realistic peak in cycle....just a thought happy

I think 10-12 weeks is solid

p.s. I have not really seen body hair increased, you sure your not just a hairy bastard.

 

[HappyScrappy]

I am not arguing your post - it is valid to some degree - was just having a chuckle that you are coming in and dispensing advice (not just in this thread, but others as well) as if you are a seasoned vet.
I did shit for over a year and I wouldn't even say I'm an expert on the stuff.

as for the amounts you do - those play a great deal as to what sort of results you see - hence why I ask your doses - I knew that you are doing lower doses, so you are far less likly to see iether good or bad results - it will take time - so exactly like you said, you need to run it longer.
but if you are doing 150mg a day, then you will see both good and bad results much more quickly.

as for not seeing hair growth, that is excellent - that means that you have some sort of inability to convert anything to IGF-1 in your system and thereby don't get any of the effects of it.
OR it is probably more likely that your dose is lower and therefore, like I said, time or dose will have to change in order to see something.

 

[HighIntensity]

I am not arguing your post - it is valid to some degree - was just having a chuckle that you are coming in and dispensing advice (not just in this thread, but others as well) as if you are a seasoned vet.

which posts would these be...?

on how to make finaplix- im sure I can give advice on this topic

on injecting- find it fairly simple, never have problems seems I can give advice on this

what else, if memory serves me correctly mustang_18 become of mod and was respected long before doing many roids...I mostely read and discuss anabolics daily on many boards and in person with users...

And at 75mgs in week 6 im sitting here with 17 inch arms cold at a nice 7 % bf...most all my lifts are up 20 pounds includeing repping 165 on the preacher curl the other day

tday im hopeing to pull 455 deads, all in all not bad considering im down 5 pounds and sitting here at 184...my point is not to brag because believe me there are much more impressive stats on here, just proclaiming that at 75mgs EOD you can still see great results

 

[HappyScrappy]

I agree - the strength you get from the stuff is fantastic - I think increased dht and then the amplified synaptic firing as well for the stronger contractions - I just wish it were permantant gains (the strenght, not the size) - also wish the tendons would grow as quickly as the strength comes on.
although doesn't matter too much to me now since I'm off everything

are you doing site injections - they are awesome for site specific growth with fina - well, sort of. if you do 1 cc or more then you will get a solid stretch of the fascia and that technically means that the muscles could grow to fill that.
but I noticed that while on the stuff doing site injections, it basically just irritates the area and you get some fun swelling.

all in all, good stuff - glad to hear that you are happy with your results at that dosage.
from what I've read, heard, and experienced, the sides far outweigh the benefits once you go past 150mg a day.
(obviously there are exceptions to the norm)

as to your other posts that annoy me - I'll drop it - you do your thing and I'll try to stay quiet when I can.