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Where's a good place or site to get a training belt? And what kind/brand belt should I get? I'm not a powerlifter so.....I guess I won't be needing that type of belt. Lol.


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Evan Tipps said:
I lol every time I see all the belt hate on this site.
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belts are horrible and you should not be using one..

that's not hating on belts that's just my opinion. when I was your age I used a belt too until some people who knew a lot more about weightlifting taught me how counter productive they were.. I hope you aren't one of those stubborn teens and will have an open mind to things.
 
stevesmi said:
belts are horrible and you should not be using one..

that's not hating on belts that's just my opinion. when I was your age I used a belt too until some people who knew a lot more about weightlifting taught me how counter productive they were.. I hope you aren't one of those stubborn teens and will have an open mind to things.
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I'll post some study's that show using a belt correctly can strengthen your core more. Belts are not counter productive to attaining a good physique. Hate to break that to you
 
Evan Tipps said:
I'll post some study's that show using a belt correctly can strengthen your core more. Belts are not counter productive to attaining a good physique. Hate to break that to you
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you are only 17 and already getting involved with belts which to me is a mistake because you are developing your body bigtime right now. I do not allow any of my kids (I coach and judge high school PLifting) to use belts, gloves, straps or any of that shit for that reason..

but hey do what you want man. like I said when I was your age I used a belt too and was stubborn about it. at that age you never want to be told anything you are doing is wrong, its the teenage mentality
 
"A belt protects the spine by increasing the amount of pressure that can be applied to it by the muscles that support it. The belt itself reinforces the 'cylinder' of the ab muscles around the spine. At the same time, the belt acts as a proprioceptive cue for a harder abdominal muscle contraction.

You can actually squeeze harder with a belt on than you can without one, just as you can push harder against a loaded barbell than you can against a broomstick.

This effect ultimately produces both stronger abs, due to the stronger isometirc contraction faciliatated by the belt, and a stronger squat, due to the heavier loads made possible by the more stable spine." -Starting Strength

Can you squat more with a belt than without one?

Certaintly

Is it a crutch like a squat suit or straps?

Nope, that is why it is allowed in raw lifting. The belt does not provide elastic energy like a suit, nor does it allow you to grip weight you normally couldn't grip. It simply gives you a more stable cylinder to squat with, it crosses over no joints and helps move no weight.


Does your back go to sleep when you squat with a belt?

No, I can guarantee if your squatting 405 ass to grass with a belt you are most certainly working your back and abs. More so than if you were squatting 375 with no belt.


These are just opinions folks, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Steve, obviously you know your sht so I won't call you out for being narrow minded. That being said, you seemed to be vehemently opposed to belts, as you have posted in a few threads concerning belts. I think you are making them out to be worse than they are.

Evan and I both use them, we both have solid cores. Myself when I am squatting and deadlifting my work sets. However, when I squat and front squat for assistance, or do RDLs and SLDLs I do not wear my belt.
 
stevesmi said:
you are only 17 and already getting involved with belts which to me is a mistake because you are developing your body bigtime right now. I do not allow any of my kids (I coach and judge high school PLifting) to use belts, gloves, straps or any of that shit for that reason..

but hey do what you want man. like I said when I was your age I used a belt too and was stubborn about it. at that age you never want to be told anything you are doing is wrong, its the teenage mentality
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You see I'm not being close minded. It simply works better for me. Why would I not do what works better for me? I don't powerlift, all I care about is my physique. Wearing a belt does not inhibit any progress in any part of my physique.
 
The only belt I wear is the one around my neck when I'm giving it a tug. It's good to keep a spotter or teammate around in case you pass out though. Safety first people!

~ JohnyCoolNuts ~
 
miked8c said:
"Steve, obviously you know your sht so I won't call you out for being narrow minded. That being said, you seemed to be vehemently opposed to belts, as you have posted in a few threads concerning belts. I think you are making them out to be worse than they are.

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they aren't as bad as wearing gloves but they are pretty close. I disagree that they aren't a crutch, maybe not for you but 99% of guys I see at the gym they are a crutch.. notice the people who walk around the gym wearing belts for their whole workouts, not even for squats or deadlifts. take away their belt and I would like to see them try and workout, they would struggle mightily. surely you can agree that is awful to walk around with a huge pot belly hanging over their belts and doing 50 pound curls.. because this is the shit I am talking about and its moronic!!

you guys can pull up a bunch of 'studies' and links about how great belts are and I can counter with twice as many that say the opposite... I will ask you this.. if I told you that you couldn't wear a belt for the next week on your lifting would you be able to still workout? that by definition would be a crutch.

here is a good little link to check out.. http://staff.washington.edu/griffin/belts_chek.txt

and here are the hodgetwins who are annoying as fuck and I can't stand and even they think belts are retarded. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RYTWAPWyNE

I can grant you on a heavy squat or deadlift a belt is fine, just like how straps are fine in those rare instances (for the record I NEVER wear gloves, straps, belts or any of that shit).. but to walk around your entire workout with a belt? that is ridiculous!
 
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stevesmi said:
they aren't as bad as wearing gloves but they are pretty close. I disagree that they aren't a crutch, maybe not for you but 99% of guys I see at the gym they are a crutch.. notice the people who walk around the gym wearing belts for their whole workouts, not even for squats or deadlifts. take away their belt and I would like to see them try and workout, they would struggle mightily. surely you can agree that is awful to walk around with a huge pot belly hanging over their belts and doing 50 pound curls.. because this is the shit I am talking about and its moronic!!

you guys can pull up a bunch of 'studies' and links about how great belts are and I can counter with twice as many that say the opposite... I will ask you this.. if I told you that you couldn't wear a belt for the next week on your lifting would you be able to still workout? that by definition would be a crutch.

here is a good little link to check out.. http://staff.washington.edu/griffin/belts_chek.txt

and here are the hodgetwins who are annoying as fuck and I can't stand and even they think belts are retarded. How Often Should You Wear Weight Lifting Belt - YouTube

I can grant you on a heavy squat or deadlift a belt is fine, just like how straps are fine in those rare instances (for the record I NEVER wear gloves, straps, belts or any of that shit).. but to walk around your entire workout with a belt? that is ridiculous!
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To think you're better then anyone who wears a belt/gloves/straps is moronic bro. At least those people are TRYING to get healthier/more fit. And yes, I could lift without a belt for a week.
 
I'm very against belt usage, the way I view it you should only be doing as much weight as your body can handle. If you need to use a belt to lift it, you shouldn't be lifting it plain and simple.

My buddy that's a WNBF pro belted up on his squats and deadlifts until one day he bent over to pick something up something off his floor and he threw out his back. Finds out his stabilizer muscles were severely weakened from his belt use.
 
Evan Tipps said:
To think you're better then anyone who wears a belt/gloves/straps is moronic bro. At least those people are TRYING to get healthier/more fit. And yes, I could lift without a belt for a week.
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1. never said I was better, just that I laugh when I see guys walking around wearing gloves, straps, and belts.. and then the guys who wear hoodies and sunglasses I LOL at even harder. none of those guys I see at the gym very often anyway, maybe once or twice a week tops.. these are the same guys who use the squat rack to do curls.

2. never said they weren't trying to get better however if they would put the puzzle together they would see they aren't going anywhere, they are usually the guys who are in the gym to shoot the shit with others or fuck around.. one of my good friends is a belt/strap wearer and he is in the gym twice a week and only benches.. he is strong as fuck on the bench btw, but his legs look like toothpicks.

3. if you can lift without a belt then why do you use one? that's the whole point I am making.. you don't need to wear a belt to lift weights!! you just proved my point.
 
stevesmi said:
1. never said I was better, just that I laugh when I see guys walking around wearing gloves, straps, and belts.. and then the guys who wear hoodies and sunglasses I LOL at even harder. none of those guys I see at the gym very often anyway, maybe once or twice a week tops.. these are the same guys who use the squat rack to do curls.

2. never said they weren't trying to get better however if they would put the puzzle together they would see they aren't going anywhere, they are usually the guys who are in the gym to shoot the shit with others or fuck around.. one of my good friends is a belt/strap wearer and he is in the gym twice a week and only benches.. he is strong as fuck on the bench btw, but his legs look like toothpicks.

3. if you can lift without a belt then why do you use one? that's the whole point I am making.. you don't need to wear a belt to lift weights!! you just proved my point.
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Its not needed but it does help. I lifted for a good 2 years without using one and now I do. I simply use it because it helps.. Plain and simple
 
Evan Tipps said:
Its not needed but it does help. I lifted for a good 2 years without using one and now I do. I simply use it because it helps.. Plain and simple
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anything that 'helps' in training is not making you improve, its setting you back which is one of the reasons I am so anti gloves, straps and belts.

think about that for a second. its just like if you were to take steroids at 17, you might think you are helping yourself but you are only setting yourself back.

just imagine a runner training downhill or with the wind only. is that helping them get better? NO. training up hill and training against the wind is what is going to make them improve.

I've had so many guys come up to me in the gym and offer for me to use their belts on my heavy squats and I turn them down and explain this to them and they think about it and then admit I am right. its common sense thinking.
 
stevesmi said:
anything that 'helps' in training is not making you improve, its setting you back which is one of the reasons I am so anti gloves, straps and belts.

think about that for a second. its just like if you were to take steroids at 17, you might think you are helping yourself but you are only setting yourself back.

just imagine a runner training downhill or with the wind only. is that helping them get better? NO. training up hill and training against the wind is what is going to make them improve.

I've had so many guys come up to me in the gym and offer for me to use their belts on my heavy squats and I turn them down and explain this to them and they think about it and then admit I am right. its common sense thinking.
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You see thats were we disagree. How does it set me back if it helps me improve my physique?
 
When I was in HS I used belts as stated by the coach when I tried doing the same weight later on down the road without a belt. There was severe strain on my abs and lower back.. simple conclusion belts inhibit.

learn and apply
 
Evan Tipps said:
You see thats were we disagree. How does it set me back if it helps me improve my physique?
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there really isn't any way to prove your belt usage has helped you improve more than had you not used a belt.. its really impossible to prove either way.

the same argument can be made about steroids.. your peers might be juiced up and are getting far, but had they not juiced maybe they would of gotten just as far and not jeopardized their future and ruined their HPTA.. when they are 22 and finishing college and run bloodwork and see their T levels are 250 they might figure out it wasn't a good idea to juice as a teen right?

sometimes what you think is helping you is hurting you. keep an open mind about things youngster, not just on this but on everything. trust me as you gain experience things you do now you will look back and may think 'shit I can't believe I used to do that' .. but that's part of life and learning...

I will say with certainty though from my OWN experience that gloves are a major no-no. when I used them my forearms and wrists did not develop like the rest of my arm and I started having problems and weakness. once I stopped using the gloves it took 6-9 months for things to even out. belts are the same way, like the prior poster said they are inhibiting your body from developing, even if its just slightly.. at your age its a big deal because you are still growing and developing into a man. add to that you are putting on tremendous globs of mass and you see why I say belts, gloves, straps and all that shit is bad. so if you look at it like that it can affect your physique, even if it doesn't seem like it.

so wear a belt if you insist, just do not become dependent on a belt.. if one day you forget your belt and get to the gym and your workout just isn't the same that's when you know that you have become dependent on it which is not good
 
I remember watching a clip of Ronnie Coleman where he said he used a belt most of the time to keep his waist down, when Olympia was after that smaller waist. I would never use a belt all the time but I do use a fibre belt on deads, squats and bent over rows. I see most pro bodybuilders also wear them, so are they wrong to wear one also, IMO it's up to the individual what feels better for them. Although I agree that if you wear gloves, make sure they match your purse :P
 
Aussi muscle said:
I remember watching a clip of Ronnie Coleman where he said he used a belt most of the time to keep his waist down, when Olympia was after that smaller waist. I would never use a belt all the time but I do use a fibre belt on deads, squats and bent over rows. I see most pro bodybuilders also wear them, so are they wrong to wear one also, IMO it's up to the individual what feels better for them. Although I agree that if you wear gloves, make sure they match your purse :P
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as i've said over and over again wearing a belt is one thing.. depending on a belt is another. its okay to wear a belt here and there, but when you become dependent on it then that's a problem.

lets be careful with saying "pro bodybuilders do this so everyone else should too" there are a lot of things pro bodybuilders do that 99.999% of us shouldn't do.

running crazy amounts of gear, insulin, GH, stims, heart meds, pain killers etc etc. those guys are so fucked up but that's their lives just like a QB who gets his head beat in over and over.. its worth it to make sure your family never has to work. (unfortunately even after making millions these guys end up bankrupt a lot anyway but that's for another discussion).. also working out through injuries is considered "tough" .. but the normal person should never do that or their injury will become chronic

if you youtube the pro's working out you will see they do not wear them necessarily.. Jay Cutler for example will wear one on occasion but for most of his lifts he does not. but lets keep in mind these guys do not care about the future, they care about the present and whatever bad they are doing to themselves isn't important long term.

anyway its a good discussion, in the end everyone should do what they feel is smart.. I hope those that wear belts will atleast think about what I've posted.
 
I see how you guys hate on things like belts and wrist straps, but it all depends on how you use it. For me, if I'm looking to do maximum weight for a set, say squatting 405 for 5 reps or say Deadlift like that, yes I use a belt for sets that heavy because I'm focusing on building leg muscles, or say I'm doing shrugs and primarily want my traps to grow I will use the straps (I also have baby hands). As long as you use these things as a tool to help you, instead of a crutch it can benefit you. Also using a belt on heavy lifts supports good form.

Also, I found a vaero or Altus 4-6 inch is the best investment. Very durable and comfortable.

Then again I also upgraded to a professional grade belt this year that's like 8-10 inches thick.
 
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