Top 10 suck ass Presidents in U.S. History

[binö]

finally, Billy clinton claiming iraq has wmd's and needed to be dealt with militarily
in 1998
before bush was president.

 

[machine23]

I don't know who's worst, and I don't know how I'd even go about figuring that out. But I will say that FDR might be on the worst list, and of course he's a Democrat which makes me not like his policies automatically, but I think I'd have to agree with one thing he may have done (or allowed to be done), which might have turned him into a hero. And that would be IF he had knowledge of the Japanese plan to attack us, and he let it happen the way it did, I think he made a very hard choice, which was the right choice. We were all busy f*ing around in Europe, trying to figure out how to stop Hitler, and we didn't take the Japanese threat to attempt to conquer the world seriously. Sadly, we are now several generations away from that time, and it's going to take another great leaded to allow us to allow Iran (or whomever in the Mideast), to destroy a major American city with a nuclear or chemical weapon, before The People will see the dire need to stop them cold and hard. It took Pearl Harbor for us to see the real danger in the Pacific, and we have to face a danger of Japan plus Hitler to the Nth degree in the Mideast. It's believed by some (and I'm undecided), as to whether 9-11 was Pearl Harbor #2, and was Bush Jr's attempt to make us see the truth. If it was, he failed in the long run. That would mean, FRIGHTENINGLY enough, that 9-11 was nowhere near bad enough to prove a point and rally up all Americans to jump into the Good Fight.

I bent it a little off topic, but I had to say what I would consider important in best vs. worst presidents. Obama is a do-nothing president with all kinds of pie-in-the-sky idealistic college-boy schemes which have failed/are failing/will fail, but we don't see it yet. He'll be on the worst ten list... Not sure which end though.

Charles

I remember a history book that I had in grammar school saying that he knew in advance about the attack but let it happen to justify going to war.

 

[javaguru]

Hmmm..define "worst."
Andrw Jackson was pretty solid on monetary policy and got rid of the national bank...

However, Andrew Jackson was a pretty shitty president based on his treatment of the natives and the rule of law, he held a special kind of racism for the natives, almost a Hitleresque kind of racism and not the normal racism of the era. To this day certain Indian casinos won't accept twenty dollar bills.

 

[ledhead]

i read LBJ's bio, and i liked the man as a person, not necessairly his poltics.
and the fog of war nowithstanding, at the time of the mans death no decision had been made as to pullout or not.
interesting quote about the matter via a jfk historian

Kennedy's statements about withdrawing from Vietnam were
"less of a definite decision than a working assumption, based on a hope for stability rather than an expectation of chaos"

so it is clearly up to debate as to what would've happened had he not been murdered

Like I told you, we have the actual documents (primary sources) that proves JFK was definitely going to pull out all the advisors. Log on to: HISTORY MATTERS, then click on to "Proceedings of 8th SecDef Conference on Vietnam. There are 217 original documents (primary sources) that were actually photographed. The documents were de-classified in 1997, so, knock yourself out. The JFK historian you speak of is considered a "secondary source," which is okay. However, in historiography "primary sources" are what really count. Now, I turned you on to 217 original government documents. There is no debate, JFK was going to withdraw the advisors, see for yourself... Johnson signed the document to go overt in 1965, there is a difference from having advisors in a country than going overt. Going overt means "all out war," opposed to just advising, and that motherfucker LBJ is responsible for going overt in Nam.

 

[75th]

I don't know who's worst, and I don't know how I'd even go about figuring that out. But I will say that FDR might be on the worst list, and of course he's a Democrat which makes me not like his policies automatically, but I think I'd have to agree with one thing he may have done (or allowed to be done), which might have turned him into a hero. And that would be IF he had knowledge of the Japanese plan to attack us, and he let it happen the way it did, I think he made a very hard choice, which was the right choice. We were all busy f*ing around in Europe, trying to figure out how to stop Hitler, and we didn't take the Japanese threat to attempt to conquer the world seriously. Sadly, we are now several generations away from that time, and it's going to take another great leaded to allow us to allow Iran (or whomever in the Mideast), to destroy a major American city with a nuclear or chemical weapon, before The People will see the dire need to stop them cold and hard. It took Pearl Harbor for us to see the real danger in the Pacific, and we have to face a danger of Japan plus Hitler to the Nth degree in the Mideast. It's believed by some (and I'm undecided), as to whether 9-11 was Pearl Harbor #2, and was Bush Jr's attempt to make us see the truth. If it was, he failed in the long run. That would mean, FRIGHTENINGLY enough, that 9-11 was nowhere near bad enough to prove a point and rally up all Americans to jump into the Good Fight.

I bent it a little off topic, but I had to say what I would consider important in best vs. worst presidents. Obama is a do-nothing president with all kinds of pie-in-the-sky idealistic college-boy schemes which have failed/are failing/will fail, but we don't see it yet. He'll be on the worst ten list... Not sure which end though.

Charles

Were not even into March and I'm confident we already have the winner of the Most Laughingly Retarded Comment of 2012 Award winner.

 

[ledhead]

I don't know who's worst, and I don't know how I'd even go about figuring that out. But I will say that FDR might be on the worst list, and of course he's a Democrat which makes me not like his policies automatically, but I think I'd have to agree with one thing he may have done (or allowed to be done), which might have turned him into a hero. And that would be IF he had knowledge of the Japanese plan to attack us, and he let it happen the way it did, I think he made a very hard choice, which was the right choice. We were all busy f*ing around in Europe, trying to figure out how to stop Hitler, and we didn't take the Japanese threat to attempt to conquer the world seriously. Sadly, we are now several generations away from that time, and it's going to take another great leaded to allow us to allow Iran (or whomever in the Mideast), to destroy a major American city with a nuclear or chemical weapon, before The People will see the dire need to stop them cold and hard. It took Pearl Harbor for us to see the real danger in the Pacific, and we have to face a danger of Japan plus Hitler to the Nth degree in the Mideast. It's believed by some (and I'm undecided), as to whether 9-11 was Pearl Harbor #2, and was Bush Jr's attempt to make us see the truth. If it was, he failed in the long run. That would mean, FRIGHTENINGLY enough, that 9-11 was nowhere near bad enough to prove a point and rally up all Americans to jump into the Good Fight.

I bent it a little off topic, but I had to say what I would consider important in best vs. worst presidents. Obama is a do-nothing president with all kinds of pie-in-the-sky idealistic college-boy schemes which have failed/are failing/will fail, but we don't see it yet. He'll be on the worst ten list... Not sure which end though.

Charles

Here is where you are wrong, Obama is absolutely not a do-nothing president, he is absolutely a do a lot of fuckin' damage president...

When I feel the urge to tell you the truth about Pearl Harbor you might be shocked. For now, you are about 2 million miles off the beam..

 

[ledhead]

Hmmm..define "worst."
Andrw Jackson was pretty solid on monetary policy and got rid of the national bank...

However, Andrew Jackson was a pretty shitty president based on his treatment of the natives and the rule of law, he held a special kind of racism for the natives, almost a Hitleresque kind of racism and not the normal racism of the era. To this day certain Indian casinos won't accept twenty dollar bills.

Yeah, his monetary policy was real solid.. His "specie circular" caused the Panic of 1837 resulting in a deep depression.. which took a real long time to recover from... One of the worst presidents in relation to economics.

 

[javaguru]

Yeah, his monetary policy was real solid.. His "specie circular" caused the Panic of 1837 resulting in a deep depression.. which took a real long time to recover from... One of the worst presidents in relation to economics.

The central bank caused that crisis not Jackson....The over issuance of paper currency by the feds, decreased interest rates, and state deficit spending were the causes, government intervention creates malinvestment.

Sound familiar, welcome to the 2008 economic crisis.

 

[ledhead]

The central bank caused that crisis not Jackson....The over issuance of paper currency by the feds, decreased interest rates, and state deficit spending were the causes, government intervention creates malinvestment.

Sound familiar, welcome to the 2008 economic crisis.

Wrong. The specie circular was ordered by Jackson, which required buyers of government lands to pay in "specie" (gold or silver coins). The result was a great demand for specie, which many banks did not have enough of to exchange for their notes, these banks collapsed.

The specie circular was a executive order.... Jackson's fault because he was a megalomaniac. I find that odd you say, deficit spending was one of the problems, when the only time in our history we were debt free was under Jackson's watch. However, I dig the political rhetoric

 

[javaguru]

Wrong. The specie circular was ordered by Jackson, which required buyers of government lands to pay in "specie" (gold or silver coins). The result was a great demand for specie, which many banks did not have enough of to exchange for their notes, these banks collapsed.

The specie circular was a executive order.... Jackson's fault because he was a megalomaniac. I find that odd you say, deficit spending was one of the problems, when the only time in our history we were debt free was under Jackson's watch. However, I dig the political rhetoric

STATE deficit spending based on artificially low interest rates created by the central bank... Malinvestments...

Paper money was over issued by the central bank that also artificially depressed interest rates at the same time; 1837 was recreated by the Fed in 2008.

The only good thing about the Jackson admin was fiscal conservatism and requiring sound money.