Too Stupid for Steroids, Trying Pro-Hormones

[jackthunder]

Okay, let me just admit that I'm apparently just too damn dumb or old to understand or maybe to be able to read between all the lines and figure out where, how, and what steroids to get, etc. I figure I could probably score some, somehow, if my life depended on it, but, uh, screw it. So, instead, I guess I'll try some pro-hormones, if they even do anything. What if I tried this:

one month of chlorodrol-50,
one month of Epistain, or 6-OXO Extreme, or Novedex-XT

I'd cycle two weeks on Clenbuterol 40 mcg from growthshops.com, followed by two weeks on an ECA stack, and repeat.

Does anybody think that would help me make any gains?

By the way, my situation is that I'm 5'9, 41 years old. I used to weigh over 270 pounds, down to 185 now. Work out routinely. Eat a low carb diet, not quite as strict as I should be. Love Vince Gironda (even though he was staunchly anti-steroid), Atkins, and other natural, clean eaters, but I do feel I need a boost and at my age I don't think it'll do much harm.

Thanks for any constructive input you can give me!

 

[OneBreath]

Are you more focused on loosing bodyfat? (thus the clen/ECA). Or are you concerned with muscle gain?

 

[jackthunder]

Well, as I'm sure with everyone, I'd like to lose as much fat as possible while making gains on the lean mass, but, uh, that probably aint gonna happen! So I want to get down to 165 or so but still pack on or keep as much muscle as possible on the way down.

To complicate matters, let me say that I found out within weeks of going on the low carb diet ( over two years ago ) that I'm TOTALLY incapable of dealing with more than, say, 50 carbs a day without getting sick, fat, lazy, whiny, tired, depressed, etc. Worse, I pretty much have to stick to an Atkins type diet (low carbs every day) instead of a Vince Gironda type low carb diet (no carbs most days with a "carb up" or "cheat" meal every 72-96 hours) because I simply cannot get into a ketogenic (fat burning) state fast enough to compensate for the cheat meal - even with lots of cardio. Thus, my muscles usually look flat and shitty until I deliberatly cheat. Yes, I'm aware I don't have to be ketogenic to lose weight, but, I'd RATHER be if possible.

Also, I admit that I gain more muscle with NO jogging, and I generally look better muscle-wise without joggin, but I feel like I'm cheating if I don't jog... so that may be something else I could/should change.

In general, I'd like to keep my carbs as low as possible, but still have a nice pumped muscle look, while reducing overall body fat. Cheat meals make me "blow it" the next day, so I'd have to make any carb increases as a daily thing.

Haha... also, I'm not a big fan of friggin hair loss, so, I'd like to avoid that particular side effect if possible.

Any suggestions?

Thanks for your help

 

[dabuffguy]

Click this link:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...ur-muscle-building-fat-burn-stack-624976.html

 

[jackthunder]

Thanks for the link. I'm hip to everything in that article but I don't *really* understand what 1-T and ICON actually are or do. My guess is that 1-T is a test booster and it and/or ICON are potentially one of the legal OTC roids I've been reading about or is/are simply hormone precursors. Is that true? If not, by all means, please fill me in. Haven't found much info about ICON yet that I can understand. What's ICON, in terms a dumbass like me can understand?

If my questions are too - uh - forward for public consumption, please, by all means delete them. I'm pretty sure I'm not really retarded as I have two Summa Cum Laude Baccalaureates and am working on my Doctorate, but hell, since everything is illegal and I'm not a biologist or chemist, I have a LOT of trouble understanding most of the conversations on these boards...even though I've been following them loosely for almost two years.

Thanks for the guidance

 

[dabuffguy]

Thanks for the link. I'm hip to everything in that article but I don't *really* understand what 1-T and ICON actually are or do. My guess is that 1-T is a test booster and it and/or ICON are potentially one of the legal OTC roids I've been reading about or is/are simply hormone precursors. Is that true? If not, by all means, please fill me in. Haven't found much info about ICON yet that I can understand. What's ICON, in terms a dumbass like me can understand?

If my questions are too - uh - forward for public consumption, please, by all means delete them. I'm pretty sure I'm not really retarded as I have two Summa Cum Laude Baccalaureates and am working on my Doctorate, but hell, since everything is illegal and I'm not a biologist or chemist, I have a LOT of trouble understanding most of the conversations on these boards...even though I've been following them loosely for almost two years.

Thanks for the guidance

Well, read the thread. It tells you what ICON and 1-T are and do.

ICON is an acive substance, but it's not technically a steroid though.

And neither is 1-T. 1-T is a prohormone, it precludes a steroid (1-testosterone)

 

[jackthunder]

It looks like lots of people are stacking 1-T with Monsterdrol following up with something like Sustain as a pct. Would it seem reasonable to you to follow your recommended stack with the addition of Monsterdrol + Sustain?

Does Monsterdrol convert to DHT?

 

[dabuffguy]

It looks like lots of people are stacking 1-T with Monsterdrol following up with something like Sustain as a pct. Would it seem reasonable to you to follow your recommended stack with the addition of Monsterdrol + Sustain?

Does Monsterdrol convert to DHT?

Monsterdrol IS a DHT.

Yeah, you could add it to the stack without it being overboard.

But, you said you didn't want steroids, and monsterdrol is a steroid, not a PH.

 

[jackthunder]

Haha... No, what I meant to say was that I DO want steroids, but that it's too complicated for an old f***er like me to try to figure out all the hoopla about buying em from a veterinarian or in Mexico or traveling to Amsterdam or "faking" some symptom of old age. So, I thought I'd try whatever the government had left me with here in the USA if it would work; even though from everything I've read it's way more dangerous to use the legal stuff than the steroids themselves.

SOOOooo, if Monsterdrol is a steroid I could conveniently get my hands on, then the apparent stack would be Monsterdrol and 1-T followed by some mild OTC PCT such as Novedex XT, Epistane, 6-OXO, Blue Up, Sustain, or something similar - or should I go with "LiquiClom" chlomid offered by, for example, ag-guys.com?

Couple this with a cyclical eclenbuterol.com's clen/ECA stack for the fat burn.

Four to six weeks on, same or more time off.

Supplement with
multivitamin
BCAA/Creatine/[email protected] per lb body weight
calcium/d/magnesium/zinc/C/B vitamins and mineral
liver/kidney/prostate support

Finally, is there a comparison/contrast between Monsterdrol and Chlorodrol 50? IE., are they both steroids, and are they similar? Is there some other legal steroid that is NOT a DHT? I'd like to keep my hair if possible.

Well, thanks, I can honestly say that you're the most informative source of info I've found in, well, EVER.

Thanks again

 

[dabuffguy]

Haha... No, what I meant to say was that I DO want steroids, but that it's too complicated for an old f***er like me to try to figure out all the hoopla about buying em from a veterinarian or in Mexico or traveling to Amsterdam or "faking" some symptom of old age. So, I thought I'd try whatever the government had left me with here in the USA if it would work; even though from everything I've read it's way more dangerous to use the legal stuff than the steroids themselves.

SOOOooo, if Monsterdrol is a steroid I could conveniently get my hands on, then the apparent stack would be Monsterdrol and 1-T followed by some mild OTC PCT such as Novedex XT, Epistane, 6-OXO, Blue Up, Sustain, or something similar - or should I go with "LiquiClom" chlomid offered by, for example, ag-guys.com?

Couple this with a cyclical eclenbuterol.com's clen/ECA stack for the fat burn.

Four to six weeks on, same or more time off.

Supplement with
multivitamin
BCAA/Creatine/[email protected] per lb body weight
calcium/d/magnesium/zinc/C/B vitamins and mineral
liver/kidney/prostate support

Finally, is there a comparison/contrast between Monsterdrol and Chlorodrol 50? IE., are they both steroids, and are they similar? Is there some other legal steroid that is NOT a DHT? I'd like to keep my hair if possible.

Well, thanks, I can honestly say that you're the most informative source of info I've found in, well, EVER.

Thanks again

Well, man if you're looking for some illegal stuff, you can go to Welcome to The Source Check-The Source Check and sign up there for $5. There is all the information you need for getting your hands on some illegal stuff. I know that place is legit for getting what you need.


Aside from that, if you're "that" old, you should be able to get a prescription for testosterone injections. That's what you'd use anyways if you bought it illegally.


If you can't do that, then there's the options here with monsterdrol, p-plex, a halodrol clone, ICON, trenxxl(cyclotren), 1-T and Havoc. Havoc may be a good choice for you. Little sides, anti-e effects as well as anabolic and gives decent results.


The 2 strongest without a doubt are monsterdrol and p-plex. P-plex is not a DHT i believe, and has similar effects to dbol, including the bloat for some and also the estrogen conversion. That's why i personally like monsterdrol, there's no estrogen to worry about.

 

[2evil]

Okay, let me just admit that I'm apparently just too damn dumb or old to understand or maybe to be able to read between all the lines and figure out where, how, and what steroids to get, etc. I figure I could probably score some, somehow, if my life depended on it, but, uh, screw it. So, instead, I guess I'll try some pro-hormones, if they even do anything. What if I tried this:

one month of chlorodrol-50,
one month of Epistain, or 6-OXO Extreme, or Novedex-XT

I'd cycle two weeks on Clenbuterol 40 mcg from growthshops.com, followed by two weeks on an ECA stack, and repeat.

Does anybody think that would help me make any gains?

By the way, my situation is that I'm 5'9, 41 years old. I used to weigh over 270 pounds, down to 185 now. Work out routinely. Eat a low carb diet, not quite as strict as I should be. Love Vince Gironda (even though he was staunchly anti-steroid), Atkins, and other natural, clean eaters, but I do feel I need a boost and at my age I don't think it'll do much harm.

Thanks for any constructive input you can give me!

Bro, tell us a little more about your diet and training. Also, at your age and health history, do you have any issues with high BP?

You may just want to try 1-T on it's own for 6 weeks and then follow that up w/ Sustain. Many here have gained 3-4 pounds on PP's other product Dermacrine and leaned up along the way. 1-T is new and stronger than Dermacrine but won't have the sides that many OTC steroids do.

Also, I think you may want to have a good handle on your lipid profile before using something like Monsterdrol. Pay particular attention to your HDL (good cholesterol) as Monsterdrol WILL push this number down in short order.

Take care and post up any more questions.

 

[joe d]

Okay, let me just admit that I'm apparently just too damn dumb or old to understand or maybe to be able to read between all the lines and figure out where, how, and what steroids to get, etc. I figure I could probably score some, somehow, if my life depended on it, but, uh, screw it. So, instead, I guess I'll try some pro-hormones, if they even do anything. What if I tried this:

one month of chlorodrol-50,
one month of Epistain, or 6-OXO Extreme, or Novedex-XT

I'd cycle two weeks on Clenbuterol 40 mcg from growthshops.com, followed by two weeks on an ECA stack, and repeat.

Does anybody think that would help me make any gains?

By the way, my situation is that I'm 5'9, 41 years old. I used to weigh over 270 pounds, down to 185 now. Work out routinely. Eat a low carb diet, not quite as strict as I should be. Love Vince Gironda (even though he was staunchly anti-steroid), Atkins, and other natural, clean eaters, but I do feel I need a boost and at my age I don't think it'll do much harm.

Thanks for any constructive input you can give me!

if you ever decide on the gear you can join thesourcecheck.com. that is what i did and now i have a variety of quality choices. it is very simple.

 

[jackthunder]

Thank you for your advice. Much appreciated.

The supplements are pretty much what I listed above. Diet is low carb, and routine is pretty much Vince Gironda's routine from the Wild Physique at this exact instant. Don't want to bore anybody with more than that cause I usually have total success at gaining a little size or shape in an area when I make a concerted effort, but, I'd like to see that six pack before I die, if possible... so losing weight around my gut is my primary concern, now that I think about it.

I'm not THAT old. I'm 41. No health issues. What's the PCT for Monsterdrol and PPLEX?

Thanks again

 

[joe d]

Thank you for your advice. Much appreciated.

The supplements are pretty much what I listed above. Diet is low carb, and routine is pretty much Vince Gironda's routine from the Wild Physique at this exact instant. Don't want to bore anybody with more than that cause I usually have total success at gaining a little size or shape in an area when I make a concerted effort, but, I'd like to see that six pack before I die, if possible... so losing weight around my gut is my primary concern, now that I think about it.

I'm not THAT old. I'm 41. No health issues. What's the PCT for Monsterdrol and PPLEX?

Thanks again

i think the pp test recovery stack will do it.