too simple a first cycle?

[samsaige]

am going to try
>week 1-4: D-bol 40mg/day
>week 1-10: Test Enanthate 500mg week
>week 13> Nolvadex Therapy (PCT)

Do you feel there is any harm in this combination?
money is not free flowing for me, so this is the best cycle i can afford now, do you all feel it is ok for a beggining cycle? or should i wait 4 more months, save up more money and get a different cycle of:


Week 1-4: D-bol 50mg/day
>week 1-10: EQ 400mg/week
>week 1-11: Test enanthate 500mg/week
>week 14> Nolvadex PCT



I intend to do a few more, but this is the starter pack.

Thank you
I intend to do a few more, but this is the starter pack.

Thank you

 

[bmcadoo44]

Test E and EQ for 15 weeks would be a nice first cycle.

What is your body type and stats? with this i can give you a better answer

 

[needtogetaas]

am going to try
>week 1-4: D-bol 40mg/day
>week 1-10: Test Enanthate 500mg week
>week 13> Nolvadex Therapy (PCT)

Do you feel there is any harm in this combination?
money is not free flowing for me, so this is the best cycle i can afford now, do you all feel it is ok for a beggining cycle? or should i wait 4 more months, save up more money and get a different cycle of:


Week 1-4: D-bol 50mg/day
>week 1-10: EQ 400mg/week
>week 1-11: Test enanthate 500mg/week
>week 14> Nolvadex PCT



I intend to do a few more, but this is the starter pack.

Thank you
I intend to do a few more, but this is the starter pack.

Thank you

you need to run a better pct bro..nolva alone ant going to cut it,but its great to have on hand encase of estro sides.

 

[Mr.X]

first cycle
500mgs test/wk , 1 mg arimidex ED for 12 weeks

PCT: IGF-1/clomid/nolva/arimidex

 

[wellbilt]

first scycles should be simple
its a good first cycle

 

[thelion2005]

Your combination is fine, however .....
That's a LOT of total weekly aas for a first time.
Listen to Mr. X and get it down to 500.
Be prepared for the side effects, both physically and emotionally. Read the drug profiles and believe them.
This first cycle is actually preparing you for the next one, which will be more tailored for your body as you gather experience.
Eat clean, drink lots of water and recover.
Your strength will surpass your muscles and joints, so be very precise in all your exercise movements. No injuries.

 

[mphowells]

fantastic 1st cycle, great to see someone not overcomplicating things, however I think 500mg is too much for 1st time. Why not try lower, if after 6 weeks you truly think you need/want/can handle more then up it. Personally I wouldn'd even think of upping to 500mg on first cycle.

Mr X - are you saying to use Nolva & Clomid at the same time?

 

[littleb]

i like no more then 500mg any test ok to kick start with dbol but start low dose and i like nolva AND clomid pct Also not a bad idea to have adex on hand

 

[needtogetaas]

first cycle
500mgs test/wk , 1 mg arimidex ED for 12 weeks

PCT: IGF-1/clomid/nolva/arimidex

much better................ could use Dermacrine to

http://www.dermacrine.com/

 

[tshoot]

Looks like a fine first cycle to me. I don't think you should overcomplicate it until you see how your body reacts. I would like to see you have some AIs on hand in case you start to get puffy nips, too much bloating, blood pressure to high, etc (Arimidex, Aromasin or AIFM).

MrX, what protocol would you run for PCT with the IGF-1/clomid/nolva/arimidex?

 

[mphowells]

MrX, what protocol would you run for PCT with the IGF-1/clomid/nolva/arimidex?

Bump, just interested to know how this would work as I am coming up to PCT.

 

[AhMadKooL]

Test @ 500mg /week and u should be good to go; throw an AI in there and that's it; simple.

I recommend u getting HCG for your PCT:
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/anthony-roberts/post-cycle-therapy.htm

 

[OMEGA]

first cycle
500mgs test/wk , 1 mg arimidex ED for 12 weeks

PCT: IGF-1/clomid/nolva/arimidex

excellent
disagree on just Test, EQ is just too good

hey bro, please elaborate on that PCT my man.

IGF-1 sounds interesting
ps isn't Nolva a bit excessive during PCT?

also what are your thoughts on Armomasin during PCT?

that idea was kicked around before.

thanks

 

[samsaige]

If i went strictly with TEST, then it will be ok?

Do not take novladex and take clomid instead or take novladex and clomid together? should i get adex too?

i am 5'8, 42 yeard old, medium build, not built big, not small, 190 lbs. I am a stero-typical Mezomorph.

I have a good frame, with good muscles, but not huge or overly defined. I work out 5 days a week. one hour of lifting, 30 minutes of cardio every day.

I drink no-xplode before a work out and i drink cell_mass after the workout. i follow up with protein shakes with bananas and soy milk, and i am eating smaller portions 6 times a day to keep my metabolism going.

Trying to get my caloric intake to about 3000+ a day.


If i went strictly with TEST, then it will be ok?[/B]

 

[vrod717]

I think u should go w/ 500 mg Test a Week, use arimidex during cycle. for PCT Nolva/clomid n u should be fine.....Split the dose up in 2/injects 250mg each...Save the oral for your next cycle to c how your body responds to the test...

 

[Pump2356]

would't nolvadex alone be sufficient for him at 40,40,20,20 instead of using clomid for pct since clomid can have many side effects?

 

[mphowells]

would't nolvadex alone be sufficient for him at 40,40,20,20 instead of using clomid for pct since clomid can have many side effects?

I'm looking into the exact same thing for myself and from the research i have done it seems nolva AND clomid are recomended. TBH I've tried clomid and sides weren't too bad. i think you have to be willing to accept sides (to a degree) to get things done properly.

 

[NJjuice22]

I took 200mg of test cyp my first cycle and blew up.

 

[H_T_]

i'd just do test. you'll make outstanding gains. why the nolva? i wouldn't bother with that. odds are is that some dude is telling you what to do because it's what he wants to sell you. i would read up on the posts in the AAS Forum.

 

[Pump2356]

I feel 40mg of dianabol is a lot for a first cycle. If you run dianabol as a kickstart, most of the weight put on for those 4 weeks will be water weight and since this is your first cycle, test will be enough. nolva is sufficient for pct , so whoever says it isn't is a "nolva pct hater". But in all seriousness clomid vs. nolva for pct is debatable. Some people I know use nolva alone since they didn't like the feeling clomid gave them and they held onto most of their gains ,so they just stick with nolva now .

Use arimidex too at .5mg every other day throughout the cycle

 

[needtogetaas]

would't nolvadex alone be sufficient for him at 40,40,20,20 instead of using clomid for pct since clomid can have many side effects?

or Dermacrine witch has no sides at all...........http://www.primordialperformance.com/

 

[samsaige]

My source told me to take the novla to stop the gyno effects after the 12 week cycle ends. He seems like he realy does know his stuff, and has educated me and walked me through a lot of stuff. Needless to say, i am still hesitant and worried i may get ripped off.

 

[tshoot]

Get the nolvadex. It's not that expensive and it is worth having it on hand anyways. If you decide to use it for your PCT - great! If you decide to try something different for your PCT - great! But if you start to get the symptons for gyno, it never hurts to have it on hand either post cycle or during your cycle. I think it's cheap insurance.

 

[needtogetaas]

Get the nolvadex. It's not that expensive and it is worth having it on hand anyways. If you decide to use it for your PCT - great! If you decide to try something different for your PCT - great! But if you start to get the symptons for gyno, it never hurts to have it on hand either post cycle or during your cycle. I think it's cheap insurance.

ya its always good to have some nolva or aremadex on hand