too little estrogen?

[OXANDRIN]

i'm not too familar with the effects of suppressing estrogen in the body too much. for example..... i'm taking 400mg test enathate per week with 1/2 tab of (real) femara EOD. my hair seems to be drying out and my skin is breaking out. it could just be from the test but i'm starting to wonder? i am also using nizoral 2% EOD and the 1% on the other days....i know that stuff can dry your hair out but i use conditioner with it.

what are the dangers of having no estrogen in your body if you are a male?

 

[IronLion]

osteoperosis(long term estro depletion)
reduced gains (estro in small and moderate doses can upregulate receptors)
there are a few other that I can't remember off the top of my head(which is numb right now from the painkillers I have been eatin)

 

[OXANDRIN]

i want real some answers! BUMP!

 

[OXANDRIN]

where is zyg?

 

[Laser0001]

I just had my estrogen levels checked and they were very low
the only thing that i could contribute that to is last year i came up on 2 bottles of teslac. I have read that teslac can wipe out
estrogen permanetly. When I asked the doc about it he just said
testosterone is stronger then estrogen.

 

[Laser0001]

I thought your hair worrys would be the test converting to DHT

 

[OXANDRIN]

test converts to dht and estrogen.....andy could explain that better. i am just asking what does no estrogen do to the body or even more important my sex drive!

 

[Sinistar]

less estrogen means more test, other thanif your test levels were low to begin with. there are effects on the immune sysem and heart i think.

 

[OXANDRIN]

less estrogen means more test, other thanif your test levels were low to begin with. there are effects on the immune sysem and heart i think.

i kinda knew about the heart being stressed somehow....i just got sick too.... i am 90% sure my estrogen is near 0. i am not taking a lot of test for the amount of femara i'm taking

 

[Ttokkyo Jack]

When i use liquidex my joints get sore.

 

[Triple J]

femara can have a bad effect on the sex drive - it is uncertain if this is from too little estrogen or something else. femara probably suppresses estrogen in men more than any other popular anti-e, however one would think that at the right dose e levels would be sufficient for sex drive support. but for those that have sex drive issues on femara it seems difficult to resolve simply by lowering the dose. myself for instance not much sex drive while on femara, although I still have some bloat and nip sensitivity (thus still abundant estrogen)

 

[macrophage69alpha]

femara's effect on sex drive is due to too much suppression of E.

stack in 1/2 tab clomid EOD or ED and problem solved

 

[jubei]

Estrogen upregulates the ar, causes water retention (good for building mass). Some estrogen is benificial, try lowering your dose.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I don't mean to make a guest appearance just to come off antagonistic....but here goes;

Estrogen is one topic that is terribly misunderstood by bodybuilders, especially those who juice. Sure, they all study the effects of hormones and they think they know how they work, yet understanding the role of estrogen escapes most of them them. In fact, most of the members of this board are astonishingly ignorant on the subject.

macro, not to bust balls, but how the hell can taking clomid improve the detremental effects of too low of an estrogen level when clomid lowers estrogen?!?!?! And please don't say it raises test. In only does so (sometimes) by lowering estrogen which (sometimes) increases LH, depneding on the individual. But is E is already low....

This is the kind of guesswork that causes more harm than people realize.

Estrogen is necessary for the health of hair, skin and heart. Estrogen is necessary for managment of optimum blood lipids. Estrogen is necessary for balance of mood, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, estrogen is essential for libido! But bodybuilders have come to the erroneous conclusion that estrogen is bad, bad, bad, and the less they have, the more "manly" they'll be. Funny how nature makes sure you don't fuck with her too much.

As I've said many times before (as unpopular a stance as it may have been) the use of anti- estrogens are WAY overused and in many cases they have a detremental effect. It's also funny how people claim they don't get "estrogen backlash" symptoms from clomid, yet they talk about getting weepy and emotional. (Duh)

Excess estrogen isn't as much of a problem as people make it out to be, and can be easily controlled by the proper use of anabolics and herbal supplementation. Someday that will be common knowledge. But nobody wants to use anablics properly. They're too anxiou to get bigger by tomorrow. Ironcally, estrogen also improves gains while on a cycle.

And for those who cry "I got gyno" learn how to use anabolics properly.

Once again, look at the champs from the 60's and early 70's. No anti-estrogens. No gyno.

And here we are in 2003 and there are 25 year old kids who can't get an erection. It's a travasty.



References will be provided upon presentation of proof that an apple is red.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

macro, not to bust balls, but how the hell can taking clomid improve the detremental effects of too low of an estrogen level when clomid lowers estrogen?!?!?! And please don't say it raises test. In only does so (sometimes) by lowering estrogen which (sometimes) increases LH, depneding on the individual. But is E is already low....

to be explained for the FINAL time:

CLOMID, aka clomiphene citrate, is :

a. NOT an aromatase inhibitor

b. NOT an ANTI-ESTROGEN

c. IS A MIXED AGONIST/ANTAGONIST OF THE ESTROGEN RECEPTOR


this means that is DOES NOT lower estrogen levels, it does mean that it bind to the ER. In some tissues it acts like estrogen and activates transcription, in other tissues it just sits attached to the receptor.. doing nothing- or having extremely weak activity (1/10000) (but keeping estrogen from binding to it)

btw- the use of the term anti-estrogen needs to stop, its just not accurate and misleading. though in one sense it does act anti-thetical to estrogen, in the other it just supplants it.

 

[OXANDRIN]

thanks nelson and macro.....i respect both your responses.

 

[bigp3]

I dont mean to knock what Nelson said. I respect his opinions and think he is one of the most educated guys around on this game. I know with myself, I have serious problems with estrogen. I get gyno like an MF'er if I dont use anti- e's. I also start lactating. I even had surgery done for the Gyno and thought I was safe to run a cycle without anti-e's after that. Guess what? Wrong answer Jack. I have knot under my left nip the size of a marble now and I am lactating again. I do agree that your gains are much better without the use of anti-e's. I think the key to this game is moderation and knowing your body. Not everyone responds the same as I do. Just know what works for you and be healthy.

Good Luck,

P