too bad the "stereotype" thread was locked

[hellorhih2o]

It's cool. I read it on the back of a cereal box.

Pretty cool huh

I just look at the pretty pictures. Captain Crunch is like, cool.

 

[ZKaudio]

i'm saying that statistics are responsible for racial profiling... it's really not debatable which races have a higher crime rates. I personally acknowledge the fact that there are extraneous variables affecting all of these statistics and as a result do not form any bias or racist views based on them. I was simply offering a clarifying viewpoint

 

[hellorhih2o]

i'm saying that statistics are responsible for racial profiling... it's really not debatable which races have a higher crime rates. I personally acknowledge the fact that there are extraneous variables affecting all of these statistics and as a result do not form any bias or racist views based on them. I was simply offering a clarifying viewpoint

I don't disagree. But if statistics, not principles and laws (such as "that constitution thing that doesn't really mean anything this day and age") run this country, we're all screwed.

It's statistically easy to prove that uneducated people will bring up kids who are more likely to be criminals than educated people. Maybe we should use that statistic to prevent uneducated people from having kids? The world would be a safer place, right?

There's statistics for everything and you can slice any pie in a million ways, and I guarantee that all of us can be statistically proven to be likely criminals one way or another.

 

[ZKaudio]

i am statistically done posting for the day.

 

[big_bad_buff]

using race to decide who is more likely to be guilty of a crime is not right.

See, we aren’t on the same page here. You have the wrong argument. Not once did I say this was “right” to stereotype people. I actually believe this is quit wrong, and you shouldn’t have to do this, but in same cases it is quite necessary.

If you’re in a park, and you notice a pit bull 10 feet away looking at you, you would be a little more freaked out than if it was a golden retriever correct? Why is this? There are plenty of very nice family oriented pit bulls out there that wouldn’t harm a fly. Why would you be more scared? Are you saying you would stereotype the pit bull just because it is known to be more aggressive and there are more pit bull attacks than golden retrievers?

No I’m not saying black people are like Pit Bulls and white people are like golden retrievers, I’m saying if it happens, it’s going to be ingrained in peoples heads, and they will be more cautious around them. Again, no it may not be right, but it’s sometimes necessary to stereotype.

Are used car sales men know too rip people off? Isn’t that a stereotype? Is the bad ass athletes that make all the records accused of roid usage more often than the bench warmer? The fact is, it’s not right, but there are stereotypes for everything and everyone. and sometime it's necessary

 

[big_bad_buff]

same here

i am statistically done posting for the day.

 

[buddy28]

I guess Ill chime in.

Although its true socio-economic status has been positively correlated with criminal behaviour regardless of subject race or ethnic heritage, members seem to be downplaying the significant influence popular rap/ghetto culture - glorifying maladaptive attitudes and ideals - exerts on impressionable black youth.

By promulgating the continued stereotype of a black community assigning prestige only to entertainment related occupations, black 'artists' forfeit an opportunity to encourage scholastic and professional achievement in black youth, which could contribute to the redefinition of Afro-American culture and Afro-American socio-economic status.

No doubt race plays a large role as well. However, Afro-Americans economic and social salvation will likely only be hastened by a internal revaluation of their own collective culture and the (hopefully) ensuing realignment of culture-specific social values towards more prevelant norms exhibited by relatively functional societies - strong work ethic, marital fidelity, personal accountability, scholastic achievement, ect.

Alot of afroamericans need to get their house in order. But so do whites who are doing the same.

 

[hellorhih2o]

Originally posted by big_bad_buff

See, we aren’t on the same page here.

Ya think?

Originally posted by big_bad_buff

You have the wrong argument. Not once did I say this was “right” to stereotype people. I actually believe this is quit wrong, and you shouldn’t have to do this, but in same cases it is quite necessary.

Already covered. Go back and read my post. But again, "necessity or practically" are not valid excuses.

Originally posted by big_bad_buff

If you’re in a park, and you notice a pit bull 10 feet away looking at you, you would be a little more freaked out than if it was a golden retriever correct? Why is this? There are plenty of very nice family oriented pit bulls out there that wouldn’t harm a fly. Why would you be more scared? Are you saying you would stereotype the pit bull just because it is known to be more aggressive and there are more pit bull attacks than golden retrievers?

No I’m not saying black people are like Pit Bulls and white people are like golden retrievers,

You're not saying that black people are like pit bulls and white people are like goldens? You sure as hell picked an really odd analogy if that's not what you're saying. Hello? HELLO?? Do you really think people will fall for that one? That's exactly what you're saying. Go back and read your own post.

Originally posted by big_bad_buff

Again, no it may not be right, but it’s sometimes necessary to stereotype.

So if something is necessary but not ok, it's still ok? As long as it's necessary for a cop to <insert dubious behavior that's "not right" here>, it's ok? Great, we've got a free-for-all now. "It's necessary".

Originally posted by big_bad_buff

Are used car sales men know too rip people off? Isn’t that a stereotype? Is the bad ass athletes that make all the records accused of roid usage more often than the bench warmer? The fact is, it’s not right, but there are stereotypes for everything and everyone. and sometime it's necessary

Again, sure there are stereotypes, no one has disputed that. It's your "it's necessary" argument that doesn’t' work.

Pit bulls and goldens... Analogy have nothing to do with the fact that we're talking about blacks and whites?

Pure coincidence?

Dude, I feel really, really sorry for you now. If this is how you see the world, your world is very, very small.

 

[hellorhih2o]

I guess Ill chime in.

Although its true socio-economic status has been positively correlated with criminal behaviour regardless of subject race or ethnic heritage, members seem to be downplaying the significant influence popular rap/ghetto culture - glorifying maladaptive attitudes and ideals - exerts on impressionable black youth.

By promulgating the continued stereotype of a black community assigning prestige only to entertainment related occupations, black 'artists' forfeit an opportunity to encourage scholastic and professional achievement in black youth, which could contribute to the redefinition of Afro-American culture and Afro-American socio-economic status.

No doubt race plays a large role as well. However, Afro-Americans economic and social salvation will likely only be hastened by a internal revaluation of their own collective culture and the (hopefully) ensuing realignment of culture-specific social values towards more prevelant norms exhibited by relatively functional societies - strong work ethic, marital fidelity, personal accountability, scholastic achievement, ect.

Alot of afroamericans need to get their house in order. But so do whites who are doing the same.

say what? did you type that up in French and run it through an online translator? weeeeell... turns out that they don't work so well...

What's an Afro-American? In any way related to an African American?

 

[hellorhih2o]

I steriotype people but not by the way they look.

I pay attention to they way the carry themselves and they way they talk.

This always works once you get good at it.

There you are you lil' devil. I was wondering where the hell you were hiding. Got a major bone to pick with ya...