Today I was discriminated against.

[spongebob]

this thread is 4 pages long and nonthing said as changed the fact that if you deny a person something based on thier skin color it is descrimination. right or wrong, justified or not, it is descrimination.
slice it and dice anyway you want, put your on spin on it, balls of steel was denied a scholarship based on his skin color.

 

[Checkmatebloated]

McDonalds is not a private business. It is a franchise that is subject to rules by the McDonald Corp.

If I own my own restaurant then I can refuse service to whomever I choose.

Sorry bro, my father owned a few Bumpers(sonic like stores), but private owned and if they got U.S. legal tender you can not refuse sevice, unless you have a valid reason(acting out, disruptive.....) and race in not valid.

 

[gymtime]

Yes. We are poor and need all the aid I can get. I dont want to work while I am in college. I want to spend all my free time (which wont be much) with girls.

My God boy there's hope for you yet!!!

I have an idea you're going to do quite well despite this terrible injustice.

 

[Checkmatebloated]

Now private clubs such as the Moose, Elk, and Lions club can select their members and public customers.

 

[Balls of Steel]

It is an injustice. When I get to college I plan on sleeping with every good looking girl I can get my hands on.

 

[2Thick]

Sorry bro, my father owned a few Bumpers(sonic like stores), but private owned and if they got U.S. legal tender you can not refuse sevice, unless you have a valid reason(acting out, disruptive.....) and race in not valid.

I believe that when you have a sign that says that service can be refused for any reason, you can do what you like.

 

[gymnpoppa]

The reasoning on this thread by a few people is incredible. It's a good thing to express your opinion no matter how shallow your thinking is. The scholarship thing, why are so many bitching about that?
1. Not very long ago, blacks, Indians, minorities were not even allowed to go to a school, not allowed to read, not taught to write. That's a lot WORSE than not getting a scholarship because a minority got it. PERIOD. That's an automatic disadvantage. Of course that doesn't exist these days, but it helped to shape the thinking of white people , and other minorities in this country today. If you don't think so, you're full of shit.

2. Minorities were not allowed to vote, until a few years ago. I don't have the year in front of me, but i'm sure those bitching can tell me when it was. This includes women. Another social/economic setback for other races, again, I expect you to dismiss this as insignificant, because you have no idea what it's like to be without any of this, because you've never had to even let it enter your mind. I won't even mention the intimidation voters faced when they did change the laws. Again, there is documented proof of this.

3. Minorities were not allowed to even set foot on golf courses, tennis clubs, country clubs, etc until a few years ago. Another social setback for a group of races already behind the 8 ball in life. Blacks were not allowed to even play quarterback because the sterotype existed they were too dumb to execute and lead an offense.......do you need proof? This is now being struck down.

There is a hell of a difference, created by the past, to keep minorities from advancing in ALL AREAS of life. There are many, many minorities in prison and jail being released after DNA proved they weren't the perps of crimes........
Many are not so lucky.

Lately, there has been a major effort to correct some of the still present efforts to keep minorities from advancing in life. You're complaining about TV companies, etc. Beauty pageants, etc. There have only been a couple of black winners in these affairs, and those are recent. Yet you still fail to see that things are heavily in favor of those who aren't minorities. The opportunities in television do not favor blacks, hispanics, asians, or any other ethnic group. So why is it such an issue when they create their own channels....why bitch when somebody you obviously don't want to see on primetime has a channel dedicated to showing shows that feature minorities in primetime?

The dirty deeds of the past........are far worse than the scholarship hardships you face now. They set the tone for generations to come.
How about somebody kicking you onto an Indian reservation, and your kids, and their kids? Why should American natives be having to distinguish their race on applications?

If you have always operated, and your family tree has lived from a position of power, and advantage, how can you possibly know or understand what' it's like to live from a position of struggle? YOU CAN"T. And because there are some people (white as well as minorities who are making steps to close the gaps in certain areas, you want to yell discrimination. Yet NONE of you will acknowledge that there are factors that have put minorities at a disadvantage. Is there anyone who'll admit that minorities have been put at a disadvantage? I'll be shocked if ANY of those who are BITCHING about discrimination/scholarships/ admit it. Instead there will be cop-out comments like oh, that is the past, or, it shouldn't be a factor, when CLEARLY for most intelligent people there is. My European friends can see this, why not the people in this country? IF my grandparents, weren't allowed to vote, or learn to read, or play tennis, or any of the other things I mentioned earlier, I'd be PISSED too. I'd have an attitude toward those who STILL refuse to admit it. Oppression breeds contempt, for those who continue to practice it, and those who ignore the obvious effects of it. Those who have the stupid assumption that because minorities have rights, and there are programs to level the playing field, that everything is equal.....get a life. You should smell the shit you're shoveling, it stinks. Of course there aren't many minorities in high ranking offices.......just like there wasn't any playing excellent golf a few years ago either. Doesn't mean they're too dumb, or not interested, just means that the opportunities haven't been there. By continuing to deny that there are problems, minorities are organizing and gaining strength to do damage. It would be smarter to work with them, than to constantly bitch and whine like you have faced so much discrimination. YOU can't even begin to compare your minute problems with the generations of people that are affected by the oppressive nature of your ancestors.

And like every other race-related thread, NONE of those who are bitching are even remotely interested in doing a thing to make it equal or level the playing field. Bring on the flames, I'll be here.

 

[spongebob]

gymnpoppa,
i dont think everybody is doubting what has happened in the past is not true, cause it is. i think people are just debating on how to correct it, some people feel that we are already on a level playing field. to be honost it doesn't bother me one bit about who gets scholarships, there are so many ways to get thru college without them. like getting a job. but thats how i would do it. i am curious as to when our society will consider the playing field to be level. at what point do we say ok, minorities have made enough gains, that we dont have to have minority based scholarships.
will we as a society make that decision.
the point i made earlier about balls of steel being discriminated against is true, even if it does seem petty for him to(white person) to complain about it.
we should not judge balls of steel because of his complaining, his emotions may have been hurt just like a minority may be hurt that was discriminated against.
we have not walked in his shoes.

 

[WombRaider]

In order to run for a seat, you have to be chosen by your party to be a candidate. Boom, discrimination!



They pay exactly the same percentage wise. Therefore, they have the same amount of representation.

2Thick,
I concur with some of your propaganda, but this one is bullshit. The income tax paid is a percentage of your income. The higher your income, thehigher the percentage (within the set income tax brackets). Therefore, the more you make, not only is the amount you pay higher, but the percentage increases as well. Example: someone making $20K/yr may be in the 15% tax bracket (don't know the bracket, but these #'s are for discussion's sake). The annual tax would be $3K. Based on this, someone making $100K/yr would pay $15K. But no, the bigger earner is tax let's say 15% on the first $20K, then 25% on the $ between $20K and $75K, then at 35% on the money between $75K and $100K. SO instead of paying $15,000 in income tax, the larger earner pays $24,250. If dollars = representation, then the larger earner would have 1.6 votes. Why should the larger earner be penalized for success? Why do we not have a flat tax?

 

[gymnpoppa]

gymnpoppa,
i dont think everybody is doubting what has happened in the past is not true, cause it is. i think people are just debating on how to correct it, some people feel that we are already on a level playing field. to be honost it doesn't bother me one bit about who gets scholarships, there are so many ways to get thru college without them. like getting a job. but thats how i would do it. i am curious as to when our society will consider the playing field to be level. at what point do we say ok, minorities have made enough gains, that we dont have to have minority based scholarships.
will we as a society make that decision.
the point i made earlier about balls of steel being discriminated against is true, even if it does seem petty for him to(white person) to complain about it.
we should not judge balls of steel because of his complaining, his emotions may have been hurt just like a minority may be hurt that was discriminated against.
we have not walked in his shoes.

You're right, I have not walked in his shoes, nor have I walked in the shoes of most of those discriminated. Nor am I thinking that people are doubting the past. My problem is they don't consider the injustices of the past as a hindrance for the lack of opportunity. Granted there are some, a few who break thru and become successful people, but for the majority of those oppressed (take a look at any country with a history of oppressive measures, and you'll see the same problems), have no spirit, no dream to succeed. It has been crushed and suppressed to the point that it may not be part of the mindset. And for those who think we are already on a level playing field you have got to be kidding. I tell you what, close the borders, keep our money in this country, build state of the art tennis, private schools, highly qualified teachers, golf, swimming facilities in all of the disadvantaged areas of the country. Give all minorities, Indians, etc the exact same opportunities as have been given to those who have had these for YEARS. I guarantee you will see no need for minority scholarships, or AA. Which by the way, I don't think are necessary either. I'm not judging S Balls, or saying he wasn't discriminated against. I think he is receiving minute transgressions when compared with what has happened to the people who he's bitching about receiving too many "gifts". That's not a judgement, that's an opinion.....just like a lot of other posts on this board. The excuse that people who haven't been in a depressed situation use is that it can NEVER be equal. That's a unwilling attitude right there. To a certain point, it won't. That doesn't mean that opportunities shouldn't exist, for those who have been shut out. The opportunities should exist for ALL Americans, regardless of race.

Now, since you're aware of what has happened, and aware of how ALL minorities live these days, when would you consider minorities to be on a level playing field? This includes native Americans as well. I have heard no comments about the RUDE treatment of the native Americans driven from their land to reservations by who? Interested to hear your justifications for those injustices as well. Also do you think that the past has an effect on the present? I'll be around for your comments later.....