to test or not to test

[gamorrah]

Hola!

Im 6,0
215
12% bf
age 36

I have done approx 6 cycles over the course of 20yrs of lifting. I have some pubertal gyno or pseudo gyno. Im terrified of it getting worse but would like to try some test. It's real cheap and wondered if I handled it correctly in terms of dose/anti -e's, I could use it safely, assuming I am gyno prone.

I have ran these in the past with little or no gyno problems.

deca (no probs)
EQ (no probs)
Sten (bloat city)

Im really looking for slow keepable gains and safety. Of course I would just run Primo/anavar all the time if $$$ was not a factor. So far my favorite is EQ.

Everyone hear just preaches the Test, and it is so cheap.

what is the safest worthwhile dose?

what is the safest type?

general recommendations for sides?

any advice would help!


thanks ahead of time, this board has been great

 

[string_bean00]

Try 400-500mg a week. Gyno from test is easily controlled.

 

[woodtick]

I might get flammed for this, but I ran test cyp and deca both at 200mg/week and got great results. I gained about 25lbs over 12 weeks and kept about 15. I got itchy nips in the third week and started armidex at .5 eod and the itchy nips went away. Everyone is different, most guys say 200mg is a waste and some like me have had good gains. I personally think start low and work up, but that is just my opinion. Why take 500mg if 200mg works for you.

The only sides I got was acne on my back and a little on my chest,but most of this came post cycle.

 

[gamorrah]

Thats around the range I was considering. what type of test is safest, or should I say which esters are the best for me?

also, would nolva be okay, or should I get some liquid femara?

 

[string_bean00]

also, would nolva be okay, or should I get some liquid femara?

If you're concerned with bloat, the femara is probably your better choice. Nolva is fine for gyno, though.

 

[idcbp]

I think you would really like running something like sustanon or ethanate at 200-400mg. weekly with arimidex or letrozole at .5 eod or whatever you felt kept you dry and gyno free. It kind of funny b/c you've used deca and I've found test induce gyno (estro) way more managable than deca (progest). Remember that anavar was meant to mimic testosterone without producing the sides. If you ran low levels of test and controlled the estro effectively you'd get very similar results though they'd be a liuttle more noticable and way cheaper. I'd give it a try bro.

 

[gamorrah]

Im going to read up on difference between types of test. I would like to keep the shots to minimum and also have a pretty easy recovery. On a 8 week cycle, would I run femara throughout or just when I notice problems?
I really dont want super noticible gains, maybe 8-15 LBM after water. The gains I received on boldenone were adequate, the recovery seemed long though?

 

[Anthony Starks]

If you have a tendency towards gyno I wouldn't risk it. There are plenty of other roids that would be a better choice for your situation. Better safe than sorry, but thats just my opinion.

 

[gamorrah]

thats been my general opinion over the years, everyone just seems so pro test. All things considered, is boldenone considered safe at (2) 10-12 week cycles per year?

 

[Boston Strangler]

if you are going to run deca and eq, you might as well run a low dose of test per week at the very least. I'd say go 400mg enanthate/week I always thought Test rounded out a cycle nicely

 

[gamorrah]

I doubt I will ever run deca again, the cost is prohibitive compared with EQ, and I feel like it it is more dangerous for gyno then the EQ. Although its been years since I have tried it. I am also looking for slow keepable gains, not making it to obvious that I am on. Whats a minimum dose and cycle for anavar? How about an anavar/EQ stack?

 

[Anthony Starks]

Thats sounds like a much better idea, especially with your goals and gyno problem. Var is expensive though, so you might want to switch it to Winny if cost is an issue. Something like this:

1-10 40mg var (or 50mg winny)
1-8 400 - 500mg EQ

 

[knightwolf]

try this cycle
1-4 30mg dbol (BD) ED
1-12 400mg deca (norma) EW (mabye 200mg if you want to be sure not to get gyno)
1-12 500mg test e (norma) EW
8-12 30mg dbol (BD) ED

1-12 2,5mg femera EOD (mabye ED, if you want to be 100% sure not to get bloat or gyno from test)

15-19 25mg nolva ED

No gyno... no bloat...

 

[Anthony Starks]

try this cycle
1-4 30mg dbol (BD) ED
1-12 400mg deca (norma) EW (mabye 200mg if you want to be sure not to get gyno)
1-12 500mg test e (norma) EW
8-12 30mg dbol (BD) ED

1-12 2,5mg femera EOD (mabye ED, if you want to be 100% sure not to get bloat or gyno from test)

15-19 25mg nolva ED

No gyno... no bloat...

I'm not sure why you think test and Dbol are good choices for someone worried about gyno and not looking to gain fast weight, but I disagree.

 

[knightwolf]

Oh sorry... didn't see "not gain fast weight" ... But i don't think problems with gyno will appear if he uses femera 2,5 ED... and no bloat either...

 

[gamorrah]

thanks guys,

right now I think I wull go with

1-2 800mg eq
3-10 400mg eq
5-13 50mg proviron

PCT

13-15 40mg/ed nolva
16-17 20mg/ed nolva

Has anyone here ever had nolva, proviron or EQ screw with your emotions?

 

[juicedbeachbum]

i think you should try test. It's my favorite steroid. And i don't think you should use femera since it gave me some sexual sides. It became somewhat difficult to maintain an erection... aromasin is much better, but if you only run 400-500mg a week nolva and proviron will be enough.

 

[Anthony Starks]

Looks good bro. Whats the Proviron for?

 

[gamorrah]

I got the proviron idea of a UK thread, Im sure someone will correct me, but I beleive that the Proviron is a strong androgen that is not real anabolic, so it essentially competes for the aromatase enzyme and therefore reduces the total amount of conversion to estrogen. And it gives you some good wood |0|

Is that right gentlemen?

 

[collegeguyga]

try this cycle
1-4 30mg dbol (BD) ED
1-12 400mg deca (norma) EW (mabye 200mg if you want to be sure not to get gyno)
1-12 500mg test e (norma) EW
8-12 30mg dbol (BD) ED

1-12 2,5mg femera EOD (mabye ED, if you want to be 100% sure not to get bloat or gyno from test)

15-19 25mg nolva ED

No gyno... no bloat...

This looks like one bad ass stack.. Im looking for something to run for my next cycle to put on some real big gains.

What is femera ?? How is it different from Nolva? Can you get liquid Femera as easy as liquid novla ?

Thanks

 

[instant.muscle]

for his first time using dbol or test that is very high doses, i would say run the dbol at 20 mg ed and the test at 300 mg.

 

[LVTitan]

Thats sounds like a much better idea, especially with your goals and gyno problem. Var is expensive though, so you might want to switch it to Winny if cost is an issue. Something like this:

1-10 40mg var (or 50mg winny)
1-8 400 - 500mg EQ

wow 10 weeks of winny wouldn't make any friends with his liver...

 

[LVTitan]

I got the proviron idea of a UK thread, Im sure someone will correct me, but I beleive that the Proviron is a strong androgen that is not real anabolic, so it essentially competes for the aromatase enzyme and therefore reduces the total amount of conversion to estrogen. And it gives you some good wood |0|

Is that right gentlemen?

that sounds pretty on par with what i've heard. keeps the yang up, fights estrogen sides.