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To Chalk Or Not To Chalk

big_bad_buff

big_bad_buff

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who chalks up, and who doesn't. i love it, i quite wearing gloves a few years ago, just chalk up, i make sure to be messy with it, get it on the floor and all over the weights :) after a workout i look like casper.
 
Chalk, don't like it... in fact, some of it makes my hands swell.

I don't believe in straps... I think they make your grip weaker.

I do wear gloves, because I think they look cool. ;)

C-ditty
 
spatts said:
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...no straps, wraps, or gloves.
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i see something around that wrist lol
 
My question.... is in Ronnie Coleman's training video... why did he chalk his hands up BEFORE PUTTING ON GLOVES???? Huh?
 
Unless your hands get real sweaty, I don't see the point of chalk.

I use wraps, but only on the last set of the real heavy stuff.

And gloves....well......gloves are for girls. :)
 
Anal AssPlorer said:
My question.... is in Ronnie Coleman's training video... why did he chalk his hands up BEFORE PUTTING ON GLOVES???? Huh?
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i was wonderng the same thing when i watched that, he put a boat load on, then his gloves, then his straps.....well he probably needed it just to get his gloves on lol.
 
personally, the best method I've found is to have someone else lift the weight for me.
that way I can sit there and drink beer and my forearms don't get all sore and stuff.
 
I use freddy kruger gloves, and also tie a lot of hockey sticks in a straight line up my back. I go by "The Stegosaurus."

Just wait and see. It works.
 
slickdadd said:
I use freddy kruger gloves, and also tie a lot of hockey sticks in a straight line up my back. I go by "The Stegosaurus."

Just wait and see. It works.
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You can do better than that can't you, FUCKBAG???
 
spatts said:
Pats, yes, that's my backside. Didn't mean to be condescending. ;)

gymtime, we generally lift as much as we can without assistance, but when you get up in the 1RM range, the chalk can really help you grip the bar. Sweat is an issue too, when pacing back and forth in front of an 8+ wheel deadlift, I know my hands sweat. I've had to rechalk before.
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I tend to associate chalk with powerlifting. For regular lifters like myself, I think chalk is window dressing. My low rep range is 4 or 6; too high for chalk to make any real difference.
 
slickdadd said:


Hey, back off turdbaby.
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Nah, I don't like that one either. I need like a, COCK-WRENCH or a FUCKSTICK...SEA DONKEY!!! Something along those lines, don't worry, I'll get you with a good one before days end!!!
 
sometimes I will go over and play in the chalk trays. I'll spash the stuff around or blow into it just so that a puff of chalk grows up in a cloud around my face, giving me that albino look that all big lifters strive for.
sometimes I'll smack my hands together and say "MAAAAAAAAAAH" and then see if I can do the flying bird puppet shadow any better after that.

I have to say that I squatted my heaviest after using chalk.
I sat in the chalk and just scootched around and then got up and was like, damn, I'm feeling pretty.
then I squatted the bar for 3 reps and passed out.

that was like 2 weeks ago, haven't been back to the gym since. I'm scared of what might happen - I might have to add weight or some shit. I'm still sore.
 
I don't use it cause it's not allowed at my gym. I have to use straps because I have the grip of a 12 year old girl.
 
STRAPS.....the way i look at them is, why waste energy, and concentration on your grip? when you can use straps, and spend more time and concentration on perfect form? and maybe get an extra rep before your grip gives out.
 
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Yes...Chalk is a must...especially when the lift is on the line...

B True
 
big_bad_buff said:
STRAPS.....the way i look at them is, why waste energy, and concentration on your grip? when you can use straps, and spend more time and concentrating on perfect form? and maybe get an extra rep before your grip gives out.
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On my 15th rep with 500 pounds...no straps..

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A back shot from a month or so back... Anything is possible...

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Just because you use straps does NOT mean that you can work the back muscles any more. It can honestly mean that you need a lot more grip strength. If you train around your weak points then you will ALWAYS have a weakpoint and a limiting factor to your goals (strength, size, speed, technique, etc...).

B True
 
b fold the truth said:


On my 15th rep with 500 pounds...no straps..

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A back shot from a month or so back... Anything is possible...

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Just because you use straps does NOT mean that you can work the back muscles any more. It can honestly mean that you need a lot more grip strength. If you train around your weak points then you will ALWAYS have a weakpoint and a limiting factor to your goals (strength, size, speed, technique, etc...).

B True
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nice wings, decent lift i guess, but i don't know, because i don't know your size. and i don't know your point, it doesn't matter how good your grip is, most people will always be able to lift more, for more reps with straps,(can you gain muscle without straps? of course) and if you have smaller hands (like myself and many others i know) this can be a handicap. is your point to show people you can get big without straps? i don't get. so you have good genetics, are you boasting because you achieved better than average size without straps? i don't get the point in your post.
 
I love chalk, but they won't let me use it on campus where I'm working out now. With chalk, my grip is never a problem on low rep sets, but my hands sweat enough that sometimes I'll use straps for my heaviest set when I can't use the chalk. I wish I could (use the chalk), but oh well...



Nice deadlifting B-fold. 500 for 15 is awesome.
 
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I never used straps because I definitely have the vulcan death grip. Never got turned on chalk, I don't even have a reason. I just never used it. Gloves?.......................................................... I wear them when I throw snowballs at cars in the alleyway between my house and my neighbors. I did it when I was ten and I will do it when I am 50. Winters coming. Be ready for the cannon. lol
 
PolishHammer1977 said:
I never used straps because I definitely have the vulcan death grip. Never got turned on chalk, I don't even have a reason. I just never used it. Gloves?.......................................................... I wear them when I throw snowballs at cars in the alleyway between my house and my neighbors. I did it when I was ten and I will do it when I am 50. Winters coming. Be ready for the cannon. lol
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How much do you use on deads?
 
spatts said:
If I don't have chalk I will drop 397. That weight is still in the iffy 1RM for me.
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I can pull a few reps in the 500 range without chalk, but eventually it starts stripping loose. I've never been a big fan or straps. I like it when I know that my lifting has somewhat of a raw, real world application. The grip is as important as anything in situations outside of the weight room.
 
Paulos said:
Just curious for the guys who don't use straps when deading, what do you weigh and how much do you dead?
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6' 2.5", 260. I've just started deadlifting again for the first time in awhile.

500 x 5, but I'm working on it.

I don't like to use belts either. Never saw much of a point.
 
I only use a belt when I max, straps are a must now though. My grip is too weak to not use them.

My last Back workout was like this...

Deads -

315 x 5
365 x 3
405 x 3
455 x 3
475 x 2
500 x 1

One Armed DB Rows -

12 x 90s
10 x 100s
8 x 110s
6 x 120s

I did some T-Bars and Front Pulldowns after that and I shit you not that If I didn't have straps I would fail at deads at around 400 and I would not be able to row more than 90s or so, (Yes I have to use straps on rows), since my primary concern is back development straps are a must or else I would have to work way under what my normal capacity is.

I guess I could devote some time to strength training my forearms, but if I don't plan to enter powerlifting competition, what's the point?
 
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Paulos said:
I only use a belt when I max, straps are a must now though. My grip is too weak to not use them.

My last Back workout was like this...

Deads -

315 x 5
365 x 3
405 x 3
455 x 3
475 x 2
500 x 1
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Nice.

Weight/height/age?
 
237 or so (I am dieting and I don't look at the scale because I freak out if I don't lose like 4 pounds a day which leads to me eating 4 pints of Cherry Garcia in a fit of Depression.)

I am 5'9", 19 Years old.
 
Paulos said:
237 or so (I am dieting and I don't look at the scale because I freak out if I don't lose like 4 pounds a day which leads to me eating 4 pints of Cherry Garcia in a fit of Depression.)

I am 5'9", 19 Years old.
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Fuckin' A man. That's thick. Juice or no?
 
I would think Squats before deads because trying to squat with a toasted lower back wouldn't do much good. Why do you do them the same day?
 
Paulos said:
I would think Squats before deads because trying to squat with a toasted lower back wouldn't do much good. Why do you do them the same day?
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That's the way I see it too, except for sometimes I like to do deads when I'm fresh to test my progress and then do lighter squats.

Squats and deads involve a lot of the same muscle, so they work well together. I like to get in the hardcore sweat and blood (literally, on my friggin' shins) attitude and pound it out and get it done with. Also, I think powerlifters do them on the same day because they'll have to perform them consecutively in a competition environment.
 
I usually dead with a cambered bar and it doesn't fuck up my shins, that or when I was still in High School the weight room had traps bars...those were the shit.
 
b fold the truth said:
25 years old
9 years training
6'2"
285 pounds

675 Deadlift Raw

B True
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Haha, that was cool. I'd seen that before but not heard the audio.

You should talk like that when you're pulling through the drive thru at mcdonalds or at the grocery store and stuff...just be like "YOU'RE MINE, YOU AIN'T NOTHING BUT A CARDBOARD BOX OF FRUITY PEBBLES, YEAH!"
 
Paulos said:


Haha, that was cool. I'd seen that before but not heard the audio.

You should talk like that when you're pulling through the drive thru at mcdonalds or at the grocery store and stuff...just be like "YOU'RE MINE, YOU AIN'T NOTHING BUT A CARDBOARD BOX OF FRUITY PEBBLES, YEAH!"
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

B True
 
Paulos said:


You mean Jolly? :confused:

That was a joke, so I suppose I am.

P.S. It's "You're".
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your really pissed aren't you? lol, you all red in the face sweating grease big man? you flamed me, so i flamed you back, lighten up.
 
big_bad_buff said:


your really pissed aren't you? lol, you all red in the face sweating grease big man? you flamed me, so i flamed you back, lighten up.
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Uh...ok. You caught me, I am so pissed I am coming to pee on your lawn and bukkake your mother.

I am not mad...me thinks you are taking things a tad too seriously.

P.S. It's still "You're".
 
Paulos said:


P.S. It's still "You're".
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what is still you're?

sorry if i have bad grammar, english comp II will be this coming semester for me :) most of the time i type messages fast as possible, without using spell check, try not to spend to much time chatting. don't really care to much what people think on the board anyways, i try not to cut into my time watching Tv lol.
 
I use to use chalk but now I am all about the baby powder.
 
I am going to lay a beating on the next board member that uses Shakespeare's (sp) "To be, or not to be," in their post, or as their subject.

So be warned.
 
Casavant

To answer your question. I can't do deadlifts because of a back injury I had in 1997. I cracked L4/L5 Lumbar style. Pretty much ruined any opportunity for to make progress in the deadlift department. All you guys make me jealous right now. I can't do any olympic lifts.

TO comment on straps again. They definitely have to make a difference in performance no matter how good your grip is. Eventually your gonna give up. Myself included. I have just never tried them out.
 
gymrat said:
I am going to lay a beating on the next board member that uses Shakespeare's (sp) "To be, or not to be," in their post, or as their subject.

So be warned.
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To be, or not to be....What you think about the bitch????
 
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I use straps on my heaviest sets, but not before. Your forearms will always be weaker than your lats, regardless of how strong they are. That said, if I forget my straps on a particular primary back day, it doesn't phase me too much...

Keep in mind too that bb-style deads are controlled on the negative as well as the positive, so TUT is 2x as long.
 
Re: patsfan

PolishHammer1977 said:
Take it easy on warknuckle. I don't think he wants a head butt to the grill piece. Why can't we all just get along?
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None of these Muleknuckles could handle a Coco butt to the dome-piece!!!

Look at Spatts' ass in her avatar. I still can't get over it, it's purely fasinating. Good lord, for the love of Pete!!!
 
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PatsFan34 said:


None of these Muleknuckles could handle a Coco butt to the dome-piece!!!

Look at Spatts' ass in her avatar. I still can't get over it, it's purely fasinating. Good lord, for the love of Pete!!!
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Not bad right. :p Jesus.

Coco butt, no way is anyone remotely ready.
 
spatts said:
Good point, machine. We do zero negative 1RM's, and then we have speed work where we do hit negatives, but not much. Then we have hypertrophy work where there's more eccentric involved. It's a nice mix. We just make a habit of not using them becuase we can't in competition. It would suck to think I could deadlift 450, only to go to a meet and fly up without the bar in hand. lol
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Sounds like a nice mix of training -- I cross-train myself in an HST manner with a lot of "regular" movements, a few dinosaur movements and a little band training here and there for spice... My emphasis is primarily on development though...

I hear what you're saying about flying up without the bar in hand -- I don't think you can strictly claim what you do with straps you could do without straps... For me, it's a way to go beyond what I could do without them -- a way to increase intensity I suppose... I don't use them as a crutch, I still train pretty heavy without them...

P.S. Kick-ass movie; I couldn't see the other one that was posted but it's pretty cool that you and the others get video of your lifts...
 
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