Tired/Lethargic after beginning new cycle...dont know why

[bigtasty25]

started a new cycle last week after being off a month months. consisting of 40mg dbol daily, 120mg tren acetate eod, 700 test prop weekly, and 800 deca (once its kicked in in 3 weeks, going to drop the test). Also on 1/2mg letro eod and 50mg proviron daily for bloat control.

What ive noticed is that lately ive been so tired that, it's even been affecting my workouts...and ive been sleeping alot. I also feel warmer than usual. My temperature is normal, but i still dont feel 'right'. im not sure if its the dbol, or the tren, or both thats affecting me like this...any ideas?

 

[bigtasty25]

forgot to mention..diet is normal, just higher in cals than normal...the normal brown rice, sweet potatoes, oatmeal, egg whites, beef, chicken, tuna, walnuts/almonds, apples/strawberries..etc etc
any kind of advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated

 

[brooklynstar]

forgot to mention..diet is normal, just higher in cals than normal...the normal brown rice, sweet potatoes, oatmeal, egg whites, beef, chicken, tuna, walnuts/almonds, apples/strawberries..etc etc
any kind of advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated

I had a probablem sorta like this one. I was using tren, test and d-bol but my next go around im droping the d-bol and im picking the Anadrol, but anyway i was in the middle of a cycle and had to stop cold turkey ,there was no PCT for the cycle every thing came to a complete screaching halt for me because of some source issues. so to make along story short, mann waking up for me has been a major fucking problem. when i wake up im so lathargic i just lye there like WTF

 

[solidspine]

Only thing I can think of is maybe a touch of test flu,

Try some of that amplify 02

It jacks me up, regardless of the mood I am in.


Or, your not living with one of my 3 ex wife’s, because I swear that is exactly how I felt living with each one.

 

[Vascular Freak]

started a new cycle last week after being off a month months. consisting of 40mg dbol daily, 120mg tren acetate eod, 700 test prop weekly, and 800 deca (once its kicked in in 3 weeks, going to drop the test). Also on 1/2mg letro eod and 50mg proviron daily for bloat control.

What ive noticed is that lately ive been so tired that, it's even been affecting my workouts...and ive been sleeping alot. I also feel warmer than usual. My temperature is normal, but i still dont feel 'right'. im not sure if its the dbol, or the tren, or both thats affecting me like this...any ideas?

I think your lethargy is do to the high amount of gear your using. High test and tren will do that to you, especially if you started all that gear at the same time without increasing the dosages over time. Your body is going from a natural state to being full of synthetic drugs, you must expect to feel a little different

 

[Ulter]

What are your stats H/W/A and how many cycles have you done?

 

[immortalis]

These guys seem to be pointing you in the right direction. In regards to how you feel, its most likely due to the gear and can be attributed to "test flu". However the temperature issue, leads me to look at the Tren as the culprit.

 

[bigtasty25]

well...ive been juicing on n off for the last 5 yrs...currently about 205 at 5'9 and around 9% bf..25 yrs old, compete at the regional npc level. # of cycles i have no idea..but im sure ive done quite a bit over the years.

lethargy due to all the drugs in my system could be it..although..what about 1/2 mg letro eod...could that be bringing my estrogen down to too low a level? maybe ill switch to a mg of arimi eod with the current proviron

 

[NickyE3]

the same things is happening to my bro
it is his frist cycle and he is on 40 mg dbol ed and 250mg test e per week.
he is getting pretty lazy and sleeping alot, kinda pissin me off

 

[OMEGA]

Try some of that Amplify02

It jacks me up, regardless of the mood I am in.


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thx bro

 

[Smokescreen]

I know what is wrong with him. But I know I'l give out my knowledge on the situation and I'll get bashed. So instead I'll just keep my mouth shut.

 

[immortalis]

well...ive been juicing on n off for the last 5 yrs...currently about 205 at 5'9 and around 9% bf..25 yrs old, compete at the regional npc level. # of cycles i have no idea..but im sure ive done quite a bit over the years.

lethargy due to all the drugs in my system could be it..although..what about 1/2 mg letro eod...could that be bringing my estrogen down to too low a level? maybe ill switch to a mg of arimi eod with the current proviron

Shit i didnt even see the letro in the original post. Im almost 100% sure thats what it is. I have never tried letro before until my current cycle (550test/800EQ/50winny). Well this cycle gave me my first gyno symptoms ever, starting around week 8. I jumped on some letro to kill it, and I swear I felt like the biggest pussy for about 2-3 weeks. The letro made me just lose all my motivation pretty much... it got me to the point where I could care less about everything. I was taking a pretty high dose, and have since backed down and noticed its not nearly as bad as it was. So Im betting if you backed down your letro dosage or discontinued that you'd be back up to speed in no time. Im finishing my winny use this week, and im hoping to jump off the letro for the remainder of my run.

 

[bigtasty25]

interesting bro...you may be right. lately i HAVE felt no motivation whatsoever...it's been ridiculous because im usually pretty damn motivated. I have just felt like doing nothing lately...ive had to force myself to eat, and drink. No aggression even from the tren..just a little moody and dont feel like being around anyone. My body is warm and ive felt a little nauseous the last week, tired...etc...even though i dont have an actual temperature above 98.6...which doesnt make any sense. I even slept till 6 PM today which is no big suprise considering my sleeping habits lately. Ill try backing down on the letro and using arimi instead and see if that helps. I havent been horny at all really on my cycle but when i have went at it, it only took a minute or 2 at most. Ive been semi sick like this the last 9 days and i doubt test flu lasts so long..cuz if it does..juice isnt worth feeling like this to me...i felt 10 times as good off cycle.

 

[DJ_UFO]

In my opinion those are massive amounts of unnecessary drugs. That could be the problem.

 

[OMEGA]

another factor

To much Estro Suppression = Lethargy, joint stiffiness, mood suppression.

To much Estro = same thing.

its a fine line.

 

[bigtasty25]

DJ...im really not taking that much...if you look closely..im only really taking 3 different things at the same time..once the deca kicks in at the beginning of week 4 ill drop the fina most likely..and continue the dbol and test prop. I never really felt like this on prior cycles..ive taken more than this in the past..but i feel on this amount i should still be able to gain..no reason to take more.

omega...i think ill just switch the 1/2mg letro to 1mg arimi eod, and keep the proviron in there. ill let you guys know how things pan out in a couple days.

 

[bigtasty25]

ttt

 

[zips92]

Even though your letro dose isn't what I would consider high (although your other AAS dosages are insane unless you are a 6'-10" competitive BB), it is likely the letro. I will corroborate with all of the others......letro = extreme lethargy

 

[bigtasty25]

the last time i took letro at this dosage was the first 6 weeks right after my last contest this april..when my estrogen levels were skyrocketing since i was dieting for 5 months straight then started bulking..prob why i was only a little lethargic..as opposed to the extreme lethargy lately. Be4 bed...instead of the 50 proviron 1/2mg letro...i took 20mg nolva, 1/2mg arimi (doing this eod), and 50mg proviron...trying to hit the good stuff from different angles if u catch my drift (aka the perfect combo).

My dosages are pretty high for an intermediate or beginner yeah (forgot to mention taking 6iu hgh also)...but im also trying to get a national qualifyer next july, which i feel confident about...so i cant really baby myself with the dosages either..although i use orals sparingly, and this is just one of those times i thought id throw it in. Today i felt kinda lethargic but really warm...workout was actually VERY good, and felt strong..just kinda tired.

Think ill be switching the 350mg fina to 300 mast prop and 300 transdermal eq. Sounds like im making it complicated..sure...but ive been at this awhile...i have it on hand so i figure ill just use it. Not the best replacement but i hate this warm feeling, so better to do something than nada. Will update tomorrow or fri
lata!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

800mg of nandrolone and apprx 420mg of trenbolone per week... thats a lot of progestins....

could very well be a combination of factors, including estrogen suppression and progestenic activity (heat is indicative)

 

[thefantom1]

For an AI why not just switch to arimidex??? drop the letro and go with the armidex when you feel the estrogen related sides.....

 

[bigtasty25]

800mg of nandrolone and apprx 420mg of trenbolone per week... thats a lot of progestins....

could very well be a combination of factors, including estrogen suppression and progestenic activity (heat is indicative)

its day 11..so its actually 420mg of tren thats active..the deca doesnt kick in till about 3 weeks...i dont know why everyone is mouthing off about this such being such a big cycle, its just your basic test deca dbol cycle (dropped the tren). I also switched to a small dose of arimi plus nolva instead of the letro. today i felt warm and tired..go figure...i hate to end this cycle but it feels like its gunna be the end of me...ive never been sick this long (11 days now) in over 5 years..or as long as i can remember really..its makes me wonder if juicing (after this fucked up cycle) is even worth it anymore...(and yes, thats coming from a medium high end competitive bodybuilder...nobody should have to ever feel like this on juice, ...)..this cycle is just fucking pissing me off...im using all api gear except the dbol which is danabols..so i cant see how my stuff is infected...i might go into my doc to get some strong antibiotics.

 

[bigtasty25]

my ma had some spare amoxycillian...8 tabs..so im taking 2 of those per day now. She also gave me a bottle of sulfameth which r also antibiotics but i need to research these a little first since ive never heard of them. Today, not feeling AS warm, but still tired/lack of energy...

 

[gjohnson5]

800mg of nandrolone and apprx 420mg of trenbolone per week... thats a lot of progestins....

could very well be a combination of factors, including estrogen suppression and progestenic activity (heat is indicative)

m1t always made me tired so I was thinking the same thing

 

[Wulfgar]

IMHO bro you are taking way to much gear for your size. your body is having difficult time adjusting to it.
my recommendations are this for juicers
novice= 185 lbs-218
intermediate: 218-240
advanced: 240-265
very advances 265+
this is @ roughly 12 % BF f course bone structure, height and genetics plays in but this is a good table to follow

novices need 1.0-2.0 mg/lb weekly AAs blood plasma levels(this equates to 31.25-62.5 mg/d plasma level or 218-437.5 mg total weekly)
Intermediates need 2.0-3.5 mg/lb weeky (62.5-125 mg/daily or 437.5-875 mg weekly)
Advanced BBers need 3.5-6.75 mg/lb weekly( 125-250 mg/d plasma level or 875-1750 mg total weekly)
very advanced guys the sky is the limit as long as daily plasma levels are over 250 mg

bro, calculating your daily blood plasma levels you should be weighing about 280 @ 12% to be able to fully absorb all that AAS.
cut your dosing in half and I guarantee you will feel much better and get faster gains.
there are other options too to make yourself more AAS sensitive and be able to absorb more for short periods of time. (such as running GH/slin/ pgf2/ T-3/ DNP etc...as a precurser to massive AAS dosing)

good luck bud. yur a good bro and I wanna help you out..

 

[bigtasty25]

Interesting idea...according to your steroid plasma level chart...i should be using 2-400mgs weekly. Thats about the amount i use when im "off cycle" in order to maintain my size..not even to gain..just to stay anti-catabolic. For the last 2 years ive taken in the 1500mgs plasma steroid total area during my cycles..this one is about 1700mgs so its pretty close...my body is used to these kind of cycles...so i should in NO WAY be reacting this way..if this kind of dosage was new to me then yes i might react differently...but this is the amount ive used in the last few years so the reaction im getting is very atypical and odd.

when bulking..im usually a little warm..but not THIS warm/hot...and my energy is usually pretty good...it's been next to nothing lately.

Im running 6iu hgh and 25mcgs t3 as well with this cycle...pgf is too much of a nuisance (the shits, the nausea, which i have without the pgf), and the slin makes me bloated.

I do appreciate the advice bro, im sure you do know what you're talking about, u have a tremendous physique to back that up for sure...ill think about cutting my dose in half...either ill do that or just end this cycle...it's pissing me off too much. YES i am gaining size and looking bigger, getting stronger...but feeling like this is just ruining my life. Plus i feel kinda burnt out and not enjoying bodybuilding as much as i have in the past (been looking into other hobies lately)...i think i just need to take a good 4 month off period..meaning off everything and clean out since i havent been off completely in about 10 months now. (was on 2-400mgs during off periods to maintain size).

 

[bigtasty25]

Okay...im making this cycle look retaded...LOL...i realized it...im just going to play it cool and termimate it...maybe it was too much for me to handle...you never know..but i do know once i come off ill gradually get better...the # 1 most important thing to me now is feeling better so i can work on my paramedic degree and my ride times (externships)..without that im fucked. Since my contest in april when i was 163 shreddded at 5'9, my shredded weight now is about `172...so ive already make progress...ive just been trying to bite off more than i can chew lately..and its frusatrated me i suppose. 4 months off juice and all supps completely i think is what my body needs for rest and recoop...then ill come back and do a primo var cycle...i like the sound of it too...quick, clean, hard gains..

 

[Wulfgar]

bro..just make sure to go into it smoothly next time and trust me.. less is more..remember bud. guys like us are in this for long term gains...not just short term results.
with your past protocol history u would fit in well @ around 600-800 mg weekly which is plenty IMHO( (I never went above this threshold until I was over 230 @ 10% in the offseason).
be smart, train hard. your doin the right things bro..

 

[bigtasty25]

bro..just make sure to go into it smoothly next time and trust me.. less is more..remember bud. guys like us are in this for long term gains...not just short term results.
with your past protocol history u would fit in well @ around 600-800 mg weekly which is plenty IMHO( (I never went above this threshold until I was over 230 @ 10% in the offseason).
be smart, train hard. your doin the right things bro..

thanks for the heads up man. Im about 205 at 9-10% right now, but then again dont forget im 5'9. i keep having to remind myself that..that im in this for the long run..sometimes we can get caught up in the size gain...taking smaller off cycles and longer on cycles..i think i might have fallen victim to that. In either case im going to give myself a long needed brake and then come back strong and actually wanting to workout hard..these days i just havent been craving it like I have in the past.

I was always scared that if i came off...id loose gains...even moreso now that im farther above my genetic max than i was a year or two ago. Ive heard of alot of pros taking actuall decent sized off periods these days...to minimize burnout...and then when they get back on..all the size comes back, plus some (arnold, levrone, moya, etc) if that's true...im def gunna let my ego rest...let myself get a bit smaller...and just rest up..knowing when i get back on 20 weeks out from my next show next year, and crank up those 6-10iu's hgh plus quality human grade gear...ill come back with more vengeance, and the size will come back, and ill actually be able to handle decent sized dosages again, because right now my body is telling me to come off asap..

 

[Wulfgar]

thanks for the heads up man. Im about 205 at 9-10% right now, but then again dont forget im 5'9. i keep having to remind myself that..that im in this for the long run..sometimes we can get caught up in the size gain...taking smaller off cycles and longer on cycles..i think i might have fallen victim to that. In either case im going to give myself a long needed brake and then come back strong and actually wanting to workout hard..these days i just havent been craving it like I have in the past.

I was always scared that if i came off...id loose gains...even moreso now that im farther above my genetic max than i was a year or two ago. Ive heard of alot of pros taking actuall decent sized off periods these days...to minimize burnout...and then when they get back on..all the size comes back, plus some (arnold, levrone, moya, etc) if that's true...im def gunna let my ego rest...let myself get a bit smaller...and just rest up..knowing when i get back on 20 weeks out from my next show next year, and crank up those 6-10iu's hgh plus quality human grade gear...ill come back with more vengeance, and the size will come back, and ill actually be able to handle decent sized dosages again, because right now my body is telling me to come off asap..

you wont lose much bro
I havent touched a drug since Early April and Im sitting pretty @ 270 and still have abs.
I just reduced my meal frequency to slow my metabolism a little bit. work out 4 days a week rather than 6 and do cardio 3 days for about 20-30 min. Workin like a charm. I feel great and I know when I get back on it Ill explode.

 

[bigtasty25]

damn bro, 5 months off huh?...glad to hear you're looking good..thats promising..

come to think of it...i was actually taking a small dose of lipitor..10mg daily...while on cycle because i was taking 40mg dbol..i have a feeling it "may" be the reason i got sick...this is why i feel this ....http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/03/18/lipitor_side_effects_and_natural_remedy.htm


a few of the sides include lethargy, weakness, disorientation, and nausea...ive had ALL 4 of these the last 4 weeks...go figure ..this is a good article so take a look ..i guess lipitor was a waste in this situation
then again..maybe i just got test flu or a dirty bad of gear..next time ill just stick to human grade stuff

 

[bigtasty25]

any of u ever get these sides on lipitor?

i woke up this morning..and i feel alot better...and didnt take the lipitor last night...cha chinggg...