Time on = Time On....questions...

[nygiants]

Ive been on this board for years. Many of the vets here preach Time On = Time Off. So I do a cycle for 3 months, then a month of PCT, that means I stay completely off for 4 months. I completely understand the reasoning behind this. Mainly to get all your levels back to normal. Your natural test levels back up and all the other levels that have spiked during that month back to normal. For me, there was one particular instance where I was having some heart palpitations and dizzy spells. This was right at the end of a cycle, so I knew my #s were still off. It turned out to be caused by all the caffeine i was drinking and whatever stimulants were in these sports drinks. Anyway, they took my blood, everything was high, including my cholesterol #s. They wanted to put me on meds. I said no. I waited 3 months and had it re-checked. Cholesterol was back to normal.

So i do understand the importance of coming off. Obviously if I didn't come off I'd probably have a heart attack and my balls would stop working.

My cycles are relatively mild. Typically ill do a 12-14wk cycle consisting of no more then 500mg of test...mixed with 10 wks of tren (75mg oed) and 6 weeks of winny (50gm/day)....followed by 4 weeks of PCT (Novla & HCG)....its a good solid cycle.....i put on about 10lbs of mass...get lean and hard and strong...nothing over the top. After my PCT I keep my gains and strength for about 6 weeks. I keep my diet clean and train hard...then BOOM.....i seem to crash...Lose my strength...get fatter and lose that hardness.

Now I know many of you will ask about my diet, cardio, motivation, etc. Believe me when I say I do all the things I need to do to maintain my gains as best I can.

I also understand that I will lose some of my gains. My natural test is taking over (which has been read as low in the past). But I just lose so much so quick. it is very frustrating.

I dont mind being smaller and a little weaker. But its that hardness. The definition in my arms/shoulders that i lose. I look in the mirror now and I look like shit. I feel like shit.

There are guys in my gym that look good 365. Some of them have admitted to me that they don't come off. Other say they bridge from one cycle to another with small amounts of test (ie 250mg-500mg/wk).


So here is my question. What can I do to look good all year round. Or better yet, what can I do from prevent from crashing like this?

I seem to get by for about 6 weeks after the cycle.....but I need to go another 2.5 months without juicing. Then its like starting all over again when I start my next cycle.

 

[goal245]

It depends on what you goals are, if you want to be 20 pounds over your natural limit then you will have to stay on a low dose year round. If you used steroids to get to your natural limit then you will most likely be able to maintain that without gear.

 

[zedhed]

You said that your test has been tested as low. Have you considered HRT/TRT. You could be low enough that you just naturally cannot maintain the additional mass and hardness. Easy enough to find out, just get a male hormone blood test. Good luck Bro.

 

[nygiants]

yes i had it tested a few years back and it came back low. I guess that is what it is. I'm sure I am not the only one who deals with this. Great gains, good PCT then just crash cause my natural test levels just cannot sustain the new mass.

It sounds like HRT/TRT is the answer while off. Or at least after that 1st 6 weeks until my next cycle. Please tell me what I need. are we talking about test cream via script from a doc? Thanks.

Are there any risks in going this route? Long term? Lets say I use this methodology for 5 or even 10 years then I decide to go all natural. Are there any long term risks?

 

[Peanutz26]

yes i had it tested a few years back and it came back low. I guess that is what it is. I'm sure I am not the only one who deals with this. Great gains, good PCT then just crash cause my natural test levels just cannot sustain the new mass.

It sounds like HRT/TRT is the answer while off. Or at least after that 1st 6 weeks until my next cycle. Please tell me what I need. are we talking about test cream via script from a doc? Thanks.

Are there any risks in going this route? Long term? Lets say I use this methodology for 5 or even 10 years then I decide to go all natural. Are there any long term risks?

If you have stayed on aas 5-10 years there is no way back.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

I made a very similar decision OP..

I decided I wanted to be more than natural.. all the time..

I am running normal TRT when I am not on a cycle (I take breaks, It's the same as pct except your balls dont come back.. your levels just get straightened out..)

This TRT is higher than natural levels.. and so I can keep my gains relatively well..

Let me make it very clear though: There is no coming off once you start..

IF you decided to at some point in the future.. you'd lose everything you worked for..

this is permanent.. It's a choice we all make.

but on the bright side: you don't have to fuck with crazy ups and downs or pct! no bullshit crashes.. just knowing you will have stable test levels.. no crash.

By the way: The winstrol is what fucked your cholesterol.. stay away from that shit.. bad for joints and tendons also..
my brother always used to use tons of it.. ignored my warnings...
tore his bicep off recently... now he listens..

 

[ArmaniAK47]

also: TRT is great birth control. lol.

 

[nygiants]

Let me make it very clear though: There is no coming off once you start..

IF you decided to at some point in the future.. you'd lose everything you worked for..

this is permanent.. It's a choice we all make.

OK, well you can come off but youd lose your gains, same boat im in right now. My question was what happens after 5 years of this method. Will I still be able to produce my own test at normal levels?

What is a good substitute for winny? Makes me lean and hard.

What is the best kind of TRT? Is it legally obtained?

 

[Therealdeal06555]

I have the same problem..Cycle..gain a nice 10-15 lbs..love the way I look..then 6 weeks after PCT...GONE..all of it..All it does is leave me with fatter nipples.. My strength goes from say benching 365 max to 295 max..sad..
Sucks..but I kinda just deal with it..tell myself im not blessed with good genes..and just keep myself positive by thinking about how I will look on my next cycle..when the time comes....

I personally dont want to consider HRT..first off im 24..I deff have a low test level..but I dont want to know that I have to be on that shit for life and other people my age are just so fckn lucky and dont..and to think im going to have to be injecting myself for the rest of my life...Not a good feeling in my opinion

 

[ArmaniAK47]

OK, well you can come off but youd lose your gains, same boat im in right now. My question was what happens after 5 years of this method. Will I still be able to produce my own test at normal levels?

What is a good substitute for winny? Makes me lean and hard.

What is the best kind of TRT? Is it legally obtained?

True, you are in the same boat at the moment.

It can be legally obtained through a doctor.. he will do bloodwork and if it's low he will start you at pussy doses.. if you keep trying for about a year you will have an acceptable dose (I did it this way, he now has me on testosterone cypionate 200 e2weeks.. I am trying to get it raised to 200 every week or more in the long run..)

it's easier to just buy extra juice and do it yourself, in my opinion.. but I wanted a prescription and convinient bloodwork through same doctor..

As for will your balls work again... I think they will, lots of guys have finally come off after years of using and had them work again.. others here believe that it ruins you forever.. but that's just hard for me to believe..

your balls arent working (realistically) for the first 10-15 years of your life.. then they work untill about 25 or 30..and begin not working again.. I think if you used hcg after 10 years you'd be fine.. but none of us can be sure how you (specifically, you) would react to this..

I say if you really want to bodybuild... and not just look good for a few months at a time...
-Go for it-

I think it's healthier than pct also.. as far as the violent ups and downs/harsh pct drugs are concerned.. as for permanent shutdown.. I don't buy it..

Winstrol question:

Use Anavar.
(Yes some vet is going to stomp on in and say it isn't good for cholesterol either..)
But it lowers total cholesterol.. and it's bad on LDL, but not nearly as bad as winstrol..
it's also not bad for your joints/tendons... helps you recover from cuts/bruises..
aids in phosphocreatine synthesis (you'll be stronger than winstrol) and very commonly believed to be easier on your liver.. It also aids in fat loss directly.. increases hardness..

What more could we ask for?
It does cost a bit more than winstrol, though.. but who cares.. it's more than twice as good in my opinion..

 

[nygiants]

ill cut the winny on my next cutting cycle and go with anavar.....ive always heard good things about it.....but yes expensive...thanks

You mentioned:

"he now has me on testosterone cypionate 200 e2weeks"

so your doc basically prescribed you more steroids. Is that what TRT actually means?? you go to the doc, your test is low, he prescribes test and its called TRT???

If that is the case, then yes i just get more and take 2 shots a week between each cycle.