Time on = Time off.......yeah right!!!

[fugetaboutit]

I posted this thread to try to get a REAL response from everyone here because it seems to me (and correct me if I'm wrong) that a lot of the guys on here (myself included sometimes) don't adhere to the time on = time off rule. I see guys post that they're done and going through PCT and then 1 month later I see them back on a cycle again. So, I was just curious to get some honest replies on how long (or how little) you guys wait until you hop on the wagon again.

 

[swordfish151]

I posted this thread to try to get a REAL response from everyone here because it seems to me (and correct me if I'm wrong) that a lot of the guys on here (myself included sometimes) don't adhere to the time on = time off rule. I see guys post that they're done and going through PCT and then 1 month later I see them back on a cycle again. So, I was just curious to get some honest replies on how long (or how little) you guys wait until you hop on the wagon again.

It just depends on the person, but the best way to go about the time on = time off rule is to get your blood work done when you start and when your finished...i know that ALOT of guys on here dont take that serious...i dont even remember the last time someone said they were going to get bloodwork done before they started their cycle.....so to respond to your question, it all depends on the bloodwork...sometimes your ready sooner then the time on = time off rule..but i beleive most really dont know..they just go with the "feel" of their own body and are impatient.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

It just depends on the person, but the best way to go about the time on = time off rule is to get your blood work done when you start and when your finished...i know that ALOT of guys on here dont take that serious...i dont even remember the last time someone said they were going to get bloodwork done before they started their cycle.....so to respond to your question, it all depends on the bloodwork...sometimes your ready sooner then the time on = time off rule..but i beleive most really dont know..they just go with the "feel" of their own body and are impatient.

I don't start another cyc w/out bloodwork

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

Just don't ever go off. Keep rotating gear and keep your doses sane.

 

[Neo22]

Just don't ever go off. Keep rotating gear and keep your doses sane.

YOu are beyond retarded

 

[mcr]

YOu are beyond retarded

How come?

Surely it depends on his goals. Are you saying that even guys who want to become pros or even top amateurs should be cycling and coming off?

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

I've actually been accused of being retarded before but actually I'm pretty smart. Read building the perfect beast and you'll see the science behind staying on for extended periods of time. My statement of "don't ever go off" was a little tongue in cheek as we all have to eventually "get off". I do believe however that you can safely create an extended cycle (1 year or longer) if the cycle is well thought out and each "phase" has a purpose. And by the way, what is beyond retarded? I always thought there was retarded and that was pretty much it.

 

[iron22]

No hes not, many people use that method and have bloodtests done regularly to test levels. Doesnt apply to novices but to veterns that have far surpassed their genetic limits!

I do not ahere to the time on = time off rule, depending on what I stack and how supressive it is Ill wait longer, my next cycle is teste/eq/tren and Ill only be taking off about a month in from last day of PCT to first day of next cycle. I have bloodwork done every 3-4 weeks, and insurance pays for it!

 

[64Pilot]

The evolution in advice given in our community is very dynamic!! Five years ago, hardly anybody ever talked about staying on all year. Much more emphasis was placed on receptor sites regulating/de-regulating, and if said receptor sites had virginized yet, so that starting another cycle will actually produce more gains then experienced in last cycle. Now the emphasis is on safety, bloodwork etc.. very good thing!! I still think there needs to be more emphasis on the benefit of starting again. Will it produce gains equal to what i was on my last cycle, or will it produce better gains.

LOL I just started thinking about how things have changed since 2000 So many different aspects of the game. I could go on forever

 

[Slyder190]

I've actually been accused of being retarded before but actually I'm pretty smart. Read building the perfect beast and you'll see the science behind staying on for extended periods of time. My statement of "don't ever go off" was a little tongue in cheek as we all have to eventually "get off". I do believe however that you can safely create an extended cycle (1 year or longer) if the cycle is well thought out and each "phase" has a purpose. And by the way, what is beyond retarded? I always thought there was retarded and that was pretty much it.

The authors words are not the be-all end-all straight up factual truth. Take it all with a grain of salt.

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

The authors words are not the be-all end-all straight up factual truth. Take it all with a grain of salt.

You are correct. They are ONE persons opinions. My point in bringing it up was in response to the person that said I was beyond retarded. My opinion is that you can stay on for long periods of time and do it relatively safely. Does that opinion really make me retarded?

 

[Standard]

I may be wrong here, but does'nt ALR advocate short cycles with at least equal time off?

 

[fugetaboutit]

As I suspected I see different opinions and most notably, the people who I actually had in mind when asking the question, haven't even responded yet. But I do believe in the time off = time on, but I am also intrigued by the longer cycles as well. (Meaning 18+ months).

 

[markshark]

I posted this thread to try to get a REAL response from everyone here because it seems to me (and correct me if I'm wrong) that a lot of the guys on here (myself included sometimes) don't adhere to the time on = time off rule. I see guys post that they're done and going through PCT and then 1 month later I see them back on a cycle again. So, I was just curious to get some honest replies on how long (or how little) you guys wait until you hop on the wagon again.

to be honest, and this is just from hearsay, but the actual competition bodybuilders and guys that had been taking aas for years and years that ive met have mainly told me not to run more than 2-3 cycles a year max. i mean this is just hear-say and im not sayin make that religion, but just my 2 cents. IMO i think your body needs decent recovery length after any cycle just bearing in mind the fact of the possibility, for example, that your body can build up more receptor sites for testosterone each time you do it, and if you keep doin and doin cycles then relatively decent amounts become innefective. at least this is what ive heard.

 

[c3bodybuilding]

I used to go with time on equals time off, but this past year I 'cruise' between cycles. That cruise can last anywhere from 3-8 weeks. Basically I just take a very lose dose of test (200-250mg) a week during that phase. But that wouldn't be good for everyone, nor am I recommending it. Either way you go, it would be best to get blood work done on a regular basis. It's nothing scary to do, but it can maybe prevent something scary from happening in the future!

 

[javaguru]

I posted this thread to try to get a REAL response from everyone here because it seems to me (and correct me if I'm wrong) that a lot of the guys on here (myself included sometimes) don't adhere to the time on = time off rule. I see guys post that they're done and going through PCT and then 1 month later I see them back on a cycle again. So, I was just curious to get some honest replies on how long (or how little) you guys wait until you hop on the wagon again.

Don't ever come "off" and you'll always be jacked and feeling great.....something most won't admit on the board.....but you'll die sooner... the animal studies are pretty damn clear on that...but you'll look and feel good.....

 

[markshark]

Don't ever come "off" and you'll always be jacked and feeling great.....something most won't admit on the board.....but you'll die sooner... the animal studies are pretty damn clear on that...but you'll look and feel good.....

damn i hope that wasnt a serious post

 

[DieselGunz]

I am new to the game but I am not taking health risks just to look good

 

[Outtlaw]

I've said before that I dont go by the "time on = time off" thing. If that motto helps you out, then that's great.

 

[cubuff27]

As we all know there isn't any "true" medical studies of any of this stuff with humans. The only studies is you and I doing cycles upon cycles, followed or not, with PCT. So until someone can say 100% that cycling with TOff=TOn is the way to go then we ALL need to have an open mind as to what ideas are out there. Being IGNORANT to other ideas and theories about what does or doesn't work makes you just as bad as those "ignorant" politicians & media we all hate for not knowing what we think we know. So don't slam someone for never coming off nor slam somone for cycling, the truth is no one knows for sure. I have been in the AAS game for a number of years and just like anything else, views change, practices change, and the whole idea about what is or isn't right changed. So what was once an accepted practice in 2000 is frowned upon now as idiotic sometimes and attitudes like that hold all of us down. So just take a step back and try and reflect that there are ideas out there that you don't agree with today that will be right tomorrow.

OK..I will get off my soap box now. Sorry for the long post.

 

[fugetaboutit]

As we all know there isn't any "true" medical studies of any of this stuff with humans. The only studies is you and I doing cycles upon cycles, followed or not, with PCT. So until someone can say 100% that cycling with TOff=TOn is the way to go then we ALL need to have an open mind as to what ideas are out there. Being IGNORANT to other ideas and theories about what does or doesn't work makes you just as bad as those "ignorant" politicians & media we all hate for not knowing what we think we know. So don't slam someone for never coming off nor slam somone for cycling, the truth is no one knows for sure. I have been in the AAS game for a number of years and just like anything else, views change, practices change, and the whole idea about what is or isn't right changed. So what was once an accepted practice in 2000 is frowned upon now as idiotic sometimes and attitudes like that hold all of us down. So just take a step back and try and reflect that there are ideas out there that you don't agree with today that will be right tomorrow.

OK..I will get off my soap box now. Sorry for the long post.

That's one of the reasons I started this thread.... to hear people's different honest opinions.

 

[Its All Genetics]

i think all of it has to do with genetics some people can recover wayyy faster than others. and some people only need small amount of gear to get big cause theur body re acts so well