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THE_BIG_FED
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i agree partially.........to me its, Time On=No Time Off. 
Ok, Im ready to get flamed here but I am hoping you all can tell me WHY time off is so important. I am 2 weeks post clomid after a 6 week cycle. I feel like myt-levels are regulated because my breaouts have ceased and I feel emotionally normalised. So whats to stop you or I from starting another cycle? Instead of flaming please explain so i can learn!!! Thanks!!!
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The Shadow
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"feel" got noothig to do with hpta axis, liver profiles and lipeds being normalized
I like time on but after a hard go at a 10mth cycle I will never do this again.
My wood is not to happy with me!
I'm pumping 15,000iu of HCG over the next 2.5mths as I dose down and Clomid will last me another 2mths or more.
P.S. HCG is awsome I'm 2weeks in at 500iu 3xwk and my moods are jumping boys are poping back and energy seems to be jumping up?
In anycase it's working.
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My wood is not to happy with me!
I'm pumping 15,000iu of HCG over the next 2.5mths as I dose down and Clomid will last me another 2mths or more.
P.S. HCG is awsome I'm 2weeks in at 500iu 3xwk and my moods are jumping boys are poping back and energy seems to be jumping up?
In anycase it's working.
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BIG D HASEK
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No one says you have to stop. Time on = Time off is just a good rule that applies to most. It gives you ample time to recover and get your normal levels straightened out. If you didnt let your system recover every so often, theres a good chance it will forget HOW to recover and you will become dependant on supplementation.
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satchboogie
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unless you get blood work you cant tell whats goin on with hpta.
that's why the time on=time off routine.
but if your blood levles are back to normal within 4 weeks, i see no reason to wait.
that's why the time on=time off routine.
but if your blood levles are back to normal within 4 weeks, i see no reason to wait.
conan69 said:
2 years? Damn! I'm in my 17th week and don't wanna come off. Have you been on juice the whole time or GH between? Are you looking to go pro someday or? I'm just trying to get a feel where you wanna go with this? I don't know if I could ever go that long. Are you in fear of being on HRT for the rest of your life? Again, not a flame just interested. I wish I had the balls to go that long, and I guess I would if I knew it was safe.
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mtellin
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Ive been on fina/test for a year now, out of fina now so Im gonna bridge with test for 2-3 months and go right back on fina/test again probably for well over a year
Silent Method
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I did a 14 weeker, took a month off, and did an 8 weeker.
The result? Although 6 weeks shorter and using much less gear, my recovery after the second cycle was much longer and slower than the first.
Also, I had a series of joint injuries durring the second cycle. My strength was through the roof, and I believe it had surpassed the adaptation of my connective tissue.
From now on, time off will equal time on at a minimum.
The result? Although 6 weeks shorter and using much less gear, my recovery after the second cycle was much longer and slower than the first.
Also, I had a series of joint injuries durring the second cycle. My strength was through the roof, and I believe it had surpassed the adaptation of my connective tissue.
From now on, time off will equal time on at a minimum.
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The Shadow
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mtellin said:
...dont bother with the bridge
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mtellin
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Do you say that meaning I should just keep running higher test since I've been on for awhile? Or are you against the idea of bridging?Cornholio said:
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The Shadow
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mtellin said:
...the concept of a bridge is to use a compouns that would be benign enough to allow the hpta to begin to come around - like anavar....while still making some lean gains....
with test - there is no way the hpta will come around so there is no need to attempt....either come off or stay on
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mtellin
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For the sake of argument...I've heard both ways on this, most people say no it will not recover, but for example in cycles for pennies DC talks about cruising at a lower level to regain, heres the quote:Cornholio said:
"During the cruising period the 300-400mg of test will keep you from losing any muscle at all and the clomid and arimidex will get you as close (via 2 different routes) to homeostasis as possible. "
Thoughts on this?
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The Shadow
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mtellin said:
clomid will raise LH....dex will cut estrogen......but endo production of test will not begin while getting 300 exo per week.
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THE_BIG_FED
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conan69 said:
off=anavar (and clen and proviron maybe too,
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I'm about a year and a half into my current cycle... and I definitely think being on over a year is best. Something just seems to kick in very late in a cycle where you start making gains again... and then more gains.
browncloud
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Anavar=off?
so what your saying is the hpta can recover even while on var?
If run at 40mgs ED? Just curious i have read so many contradictary treads but is there any data on this beside aids patients what about people using it like
we do?
so what your saying is the hpta can recover even while on var?
If run at 40mgs ED? Just curious i have read so many contradictary treads but is there any data on this beside aids patients what about people using it like
we do?
Whoever says you can't make good gains off of 300mg of test hasn't done it right. Ive been on for 10 weeks and ill proabably stay on for another 10 at the same dosage. Gains didnt even start till week 7 1/2!. Now they are coming and they will be staying because they aren't coming super fast. If I can make gains on 300mg of test then anyone can. Ill go as far as saying that if you can't make gains on that much test, then your overtraining or over your genetic limit. My first cycle was 600mg/week of test and I only kept 5 pounds, because I was overtraining the whole damn time.
Thats only the half of it though, what about FSH/LH levels? Now if your hardcore competitor and your looking at BB as a career then fine it may be worth the risk but for guys that run year long cycles, they likely will have problems in the future and have to be on HRT. Now if your aware of that and have made the conscious decision to ignore it then thats fine but I dont think people should think that there wont be any consequences for running extended cycling periods.conan69 said:
conan69
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Zyglamail said:
Whenever anyone decided to us AAS, they are taking huge risks, there is no question about it.
I can tell you as a health conscience person, I dont eat fried foods, I dont drink, I dont use recreational drugs, I dont smoke.
I am a hardworking business man and I have the right to do what I want when I want with how much I want. AAS is not my career it is my hobby.
I would never suggest anyone uses like I do, but I am also saying it is not nearly as bad as some suspect.
That is merely the point I am making.
Thats basically what I was getting at. Many people can run a cycle and keep lipids, BP etc all within normal range but suppressing natural hormone release for long periods of time can cause problems, just how severe is anyones guess because there are also a lot of people who benefit from HRT without ever touching AAS so its likely something we will never know..... at least until they start cloning and running long term tests on clonessk* said:
conan69 said:
Well, that's the thing. How do you plan on getting off for a few months? All that will do is rid your body of synthetic testosterone and since you have been on so much I doubt your regular T levels will get restored. So ....
If you can recover after 2+ years than more power to you, but I know I wouldn't like to play with that kind of fire.
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THE_BIG_FED
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conan69 said:
haha. exactly. bet my friends who guzzle beer, and eat mcdonalds all day, and smoke weed and cigarettes, and snort oxycontin will ALWAYS be one step (or 10 steps) ahead of me in the "fuck your body up" challenge.
shit at my age, with my genetics for gaining fat free mass, i'm a prime candidate for HRT anyway. 
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