Thoughts on Long Term Testosterone Use

[tyty7]

A buddy of mine has been on Testosterone Enanthate 500mg/wk for almost three years. He isn't a bodybuilder but is in excellent shape for being almost 40. My question is what are some members thoughts in this?

I cycle 3 months on 3 months off and HATE the off periods and was thinking of doing something like this to always feel pumped and focused.

 

[Heath82]

500 is way too high imo. most docs will only recomend 125 a week or so. how old are you?

 

[OMEGA]

500 is quite high

150-300 is the spectrum all the way from small guys to huge guys

Would say that DECA at 50-100 mgs a week is NEEDED since Test only tending to weaken collagen and connective tissues long term

 

[tyty7]

500 is way too high imo. most docs will only recomend 125 a week or so. how old are you?

33 and I would imagine 125 a week wouldn't really do too much.

 

[tyty7]

500 is quite high

150-300 is the spectrum all the way from small guys to huge guys

Would say that DECA at 50-100 mgs a week is NEEDED since Test only tending to weaken collagen and connective tissues long term

Maybe i'll go with 250mg then.

 

[OMEGA]

thats pretty much the sweet spot for big guys

expect a tiny crash even when you go on that, but will be fine and look great in about 3-4 weeks

ps NO AI needed on 250, at worst Aromasin at 10 mgs 2 times a week

 

[tyty7]

thats pretty much the sweet spot for big guys

expect a tiny crash even when you go on that, but will be fine and look great in about 3-4 weeks

ps NO AI needed on 250, at worst Aromasin at 10 mgs 2 times a week

I would imagine if I did add 50mg of Deca along with the Test there would be no libido issues (because of the low Deca and moderate Test) cause I have been there and done that on a Deca/Dbol cycle a few years back.

 

[Stryker1992]

I would imagine if I did add 50mg of Deca along with the Test there would be no libido issues (because of the low Deca and moderate Test) cause I have been there and done that on a Deca/Dbol cycle a few years back.

So basically you are planning on never coming off....

 

[eddymerckx]

500 is quite high

150-300 is the spectrum all the way from small guys to huge guys

Would say that DECA at 50-100 mgs a week is NEEDED since Test only tending to weaken collagen and connective tissues long term

+1000

i notice it when I do high-mileage biking (i do 75-100/deca/week--no sides at all just healthier joints)...although it has been over a year!!!!!arghhh

 

[motodawg]

I'm 51 and use to do what he is. I came off completely (suked) and tried to let my system rebound . Did a lot of hcg some nolva and other pct materials and now i find that 100mg per week a good diet and hard training is keeping me at a place i'm happy and can live with, I actually feel better.

 

[eddymerckx]

most docs suggest a 3.5 month holiday from test every few years depending on your hematocrit level--it can get too high/the RBC stop breaking-up when the move through valaves and get sort of tough in about 20% of TRT patients,

 

[tyty7]

thats pretty much the sweet spot for big guys

expect a tiny crash even when you go on that, but will be fine and look great in about 3-4 weeks

ps NO AI needed on 250, at worst Aromasin at 10 mgs 2 times a week

I think I am going to go for 250mg/wk Test e and 75mg/wk Deca.

I am currently in the middle of a cycle (7 weeks in):
Just finished 40mg/day Anavar
500mg/wk Test e
500iu HCG 2x/wk
.25mg/EOD of Arimidex

What would be the best way to transition to my new deal??

 

[tyty7]

Oh no the thread has been moved to the Life Extension area, i.e. - no response land.....

 

[Varga]

I feel good at 200-250myself.
500mg is a waste long term and may affect your cholesterol too
THere is no transition just do 250 and 75 deca like you said.

 

[tyty7]

I feel good at 200-250myself.
500mg is a waste long term and may affect your cholesterol too
THere is no transition just do 250 and 75 deca like you said.

Do you ever use HCG or Arimidex with this dosage??

 

[flatscat]

I am on Test C 200/week, HCG 250iu/week and .5 Arimidex eod. I started with E2 at the higher end of normal and am still trying to get it down to low normal with this dosage.

 

[Varga]

Do you ever use HCG or Arimidex with this dosage??

I use HCG every 3-4 months...
As for arimidex, I don't have E2 problems. I occasionally take aromasin if I feel bloated but that's rare, I go by how I feel and look

 

[Varga]

I am on Test C 200/week, HCG 250iu/week and .5 Arimidex eod. I started with E2 at the higher end of normal and am still trying to get it down to low normal with this dosage.

I think the HCG puts you over the top with E2 and you also may be predisposed to higher E2
You may need to lower something

 

[flatscat]

I think the HCG puts you over the top with E2 and you also may be predisposed to higher E2
You may need to lower something

Sorry to hijack -

Thanks Varga - I was thinking the same thing - not worried about having any more kids - I am going to drop it. My doc wants to stop the test week 10 and just do the HCG for two weeks and then retest? Doesn's make much sense to me. Guess I will keep the dose of Arimidex up until the morning wood is gone and then back off until it comes back.

 

[goin on 4T]

My GF wants to have kids someday. That might make things interesting as by that time I will have been on for at least 4 years. LOL

 

[Varga]

Sorry to hijack -

Thanks Varga - I was thinking the same thing - not worried about having any more kids - I am going to drop it. My doc wants to stop the test week 10 and just do the HCG for two weeks and then retest? Doesn's make much sense to me. Guess I will keep the dose of Arimidex up until the morning wood is gone and then back off until it comes back.

Agreed....I don't see the need to keep taking HCG all the time. Take it every few months to keep the boys alive for few weeks then forget it. It is much easier to control the test by itself in term of E2 sides without HCG.
I really don't see the point of the 10 weeks then HCG then retest either....im with you on this one.
My feeling is that if you stop HCG the arimidex will take care your problems with E2.

My personal opinion on this HRT thing is that if it's causing you problems don;t take more drugs to fix it... lower the dose
If you feel like you want to gain then do a cycle