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buddhabuilder

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I'm just roughing this out now so I can start to get all my supplies together. I'm still on PCT from my second cycle, and you can follow how that cycle has gone and the gains I'm keeping here;

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/half-way-another-new-beginning-ntbm-1270993.html

I am using HCGenerate in my PCT for the first time, which is worth watching for the results, and so far I am holding onto almost everything 4 weeks out from last cycle pin, 2 weeks into PCT.

I will be posting bloods around the end of January which will be about 9 weeks after my last cycle pin, and of course be open to feedback on what those bloods say, and what it means regarding waiting for my next cycle.

So here is an outline for a cycle that will take me up to a competition at the end of the summer.


1-20 Test e 400 mg a week, split in 2
1-20 Mast E 500 mg a week, split in 2
1-6 Tbol 50 mg a day
1-20 Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
1-6 N2Guard
5-16 HCGenerate ES
15-20 Winstrol oral ? mg a day
15-20 N2Guard
20-22 HCG 1500 iu a week, split in 2


Week 21 on, back on cruise Test e 200 a week, split in 2
21-24 Clomid 50/25/25/25
21-24 Methyl EAA
21-24 Test Infusion
21-24 Forma Stanzol
21-24 DAA Power Chews

I LOVE the feeling of being on cycle, but have been researching everything on this site for a couple years, so I am taking a responsible approach to maintain good health while gaining muscle. Some guys believe in shorter cycles, but my last cycle was 20 weeks with zero negative sides, so that is why I am laying it out here.
 
I love the test and mast combo but I would also consider one of or both primo and eq along with gw and s4... Run winstrol at 50 mg day... There are better options for pct... I would go with hcgenerate, phytoserms, "liquidex" from n2bm and Osta along with clomid... I would also bump mast to at least 600 mg week if not more...


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Are you cruising right now during your current pct? There is absolutely no reason be doing pct if you are, and you're going to cruise after this cycle you're planning, pct is just pointless

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Maybe add in Eq if your going to be running the cycle for 20 weeks

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buddhabuilder said:
I'm just roughing this out now so I can start to get all my supplies together. I'm still on PCT from my second cycle, and you can follow how that cycle has gone and the gains I'm keeping here;

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/half-way-another-new-beginning-ntbm-1270993.html

I am using HCGenerate in my PCT for the first time, which is worth watching for the results, and so far I am holding onto almost everything 4 weeks out from last cycle pin, 2 weeks into PCT.

I will be posting bloods around the end of January which will be about 9 weeks after my last cycle pin, and of course be open to feedback on what those bloods say, and what it means regarding waiting for my next cycle.

So here is an outline for a cycle that will take me up to a competition at the end of the summer.


1-20 Test e 400 mg a week, split in 2
1-20 Mast E 500 mg a week, split in 2
1-6 Tbol 50 mg a day
1-20 Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
1-6 N2Guard
5-16 HCGenerate ES
15-20 Winstrol oral ? mg a day
15-20 N2Guard
20-22 HCG 1500 iu a week, split in 2


Week 21 on, back on cruise Test e 200 a week, split in 2
21-24 Clomid 50/25/25/25
21-24 Methyl EAA
21-24 Test Infusion
21-24 Forma Stanzol
21-24 DAA Power Chews

I LOVE the feeling of being on cycle, but have been researching everything on this site for a couple years, so I am taking a responsible approach to maintain good health while gaining muscle. Some guys believe in shorter cycles, but my last cycle was 20 weeks with zero negative sides, so that is why I am laying it out here.
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With that much test, combined with a small amount of estrogen mediation you will likely get from the masteron I know I personally would feel like total shit taking 12.5mg aromasin EOD. Way too much for me. I personally wouldn't even run an AI wit that test dose. Are you gyno prone bro?

If you are on TRT self prescribed or otherwise I would not bother with a PCT. Maybe run a bottle of HCgenerate but that's about it.
Are you getting bloods done for this TRT? WHere does 200mg wk leave your test levels? I know some guys really need that much but it is a wee bit on the high side as "real" trt goes.
 
I don't disagree running something similar to PCT while cruising/on TRT, it just IMO should be more about detoxing your organs, keeping E2 from rebounding and of course holding on to gains. So I can't think of any reason to run that much test boosters like DAA/Methyl-EAA, Test Infusion etc., since they can't do absolutely nothing to help your natural test production cause you are administering continuously exogenous Testosterone. I just don't get the logic here, so if I'm wrong please do explain the benefit from them while on TRT.

That being said, I'm also on TRT, and really love Hcgenerate & Unleashed, and use them every now and then. Though, I don't really consider them being Test boosters, both have unique mechanism for action, much wider array of use, and they can both be used any time on or off juice. Since Hcgenerate stimulates LH, and Unleashed affects SHGB binding they can both be used while on when your own Test production is at zero, IOW there's no Test to boost. Plus Hcgenerate has Fenugreek, Zinc etc. In it to help your body to recover and flush away toxins.

Point here being that I don't see any use for most Test boosters in PCT while on TRT, simply be cause they are meant to boost your NATURAL Test production thus have no effects to the exogenous Test you are admistering. Hcgenerate & Unleashed (or products with similar ingredient profile) will have effect to both endogenous and exogenous Test.

I forgot what how you had your PCT planned exactly (should have quoted your post too).
I would personally run bridge with LGD-4033, S-4 and GW-50 to your next blast.
If you are planning to cruise with just Test until your next blast, I would add Ostarine, GW-50, Lipid Stabil, Bp Stabil, and if you ran orals TUDCA & Liver Stabil to your PCT. Of course also getting enough vitamins and minerals for your body to recover is crucial, but I'm sure you already know that.

I will make another post about your next cycle since this one went a bit off track about that...

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Wow! As usual, thanx to all my bros. I need to digest all this information to put up proper responses. But I know it will all work to take me to the next level. Keep an eye out at the beginning of the week for some clear thoughts.

Thank You All my Bros, and Happy New Year
 
northernknight said:
I don't disagree running something similar to PCT while cruising/on TRT, it just IMO should be more about detoxing your organs, keeping E2 from rebounding and of course holding on to gains. So I can't think of any reason to run that much test boosters like DAA/Methyl-EAA, Test Infusion etc., since they can't do absolutely nothing to help your natural test production cause you are administering continuously exogenous Testosterone. I just don't get the logic here, so if I'm wrong please do explain the benefit from them while on TRT.

That being said, I'm also on TRT, and really love Hcgenerate & Unleashed, and use them every now and then. Though, I don't really consider them being Test boosters, both have unique mechanism for action, much wider array of use, and they can both be used any time on or off juice. Since Hcgenerate stimulates LH, and Unleashed affects SHGB binding they can both be used while on when your own Test production is at zero, IOW there's no Test to boost. Plus Hcgenerate has Fenugreek, Zinc etc. In it to help your body to recover and flush away toxins.

Point here being that I don't see any use for most Test boosters in PCT while on TRT, simply be cause they are meant to boost your NATURAL Test production thus have no effects to the exogenous Test you are admistering. Hcgenerate & Unleashed (or products with similar ingredient profile) will have effect to both endogenous and exogenous Test.

I forgot what how you had your PCT planned exactly (should have quoted your post too).
I would personally run bridge with LGD-4033, S-4 and GW-50 to your next blast.
If you are planning to cruise with just Test until your next blast, I would add Ostarine, GW-50, Lipid Stabil, Bp Stabil, and if you ran orals TUDCA & Liver Stabil to your PCT. Of course also getting enough vitamins and minerals for your body to recover is crucial, but I'm sure you already know that.

I will make another post about your next cycle since this one went a bit off track about that...

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Thank you for the thought out response. My cruise dose is actually 180 mg a week, split in 2. Yes, I am working uo the SARMS bridge, and will reduce the number of natty test bossters in my current PCT.
 
Spent some time looking these over, and I'll try to pull this together.

It looks like I am over doing the natty test boosters in my current PCT, so will change it up the Clomid and HCGenerate until my bloods later in the month.

I am considering the LGD-4033, S-4, GW-50 Sarms cycle with Bridge. Any thoughts on doses?

And, my cruise dose is actually 180 mg of test e per week.
 
While I'm tweaking the 3rd cycle, please check my SARMS bridge.

LGD-4033 10 mg AM
S-4 50 mg a day split AM/PM
GW-50 20 mg a day
Bridge

Let me know what you Bros think.
 
Here it is so far;

1-20 Test e 400 mg a week, split in 2
1-20 Mast E 600 mg a week, split in 2
1-20 Primo 400 mg a week, split in 2
1-6 Tbol 50 mg a day
1-20 Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
1-6 N2Guard
5-16 HCGenerate ES
15-20 Winstrol oral 50 mg a day
15-20 N2Guard



Week 21 on, back on cruise Test e 180 a week, split in 2
23-26 Clomid 50/25/25/25
23-26 Unleashed/Post Cycle

Tell me what you think.
 
buddhabuilder said:
Here it is so far;

1-20 Test e 400 mg a week, split in 2
1-20 Mast E 600 mg a week, split in 2
1-20 Primo 400 mg a week, split in 2
1-6 Tbol 50 mg a day
1-20 Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD
1-6 N2Guard
5-16 HCGenerate ES
15-20 Winstrol oral 50 mg a day
15-20 N2Guard



Week 21 on, back on cruise Test e 180 a week, split in 2
23-26 Clomid 50/25/25/25
23-26 Unleashed/Post Cycle

Tell me what you think.
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With the compounds you are running, mast is as dry as you can get with some AI properties. Primo doesn't convert and then there's just test. I still think (barring you being real susceptible to gyno) that even 12.5mg of aromasin EOD is way overdoing it. I would drop the AI and just add it in maybe once a week if you feel you need it. But personally I wouldn't use it at all.
 
So it looks like I can hold onto my AI just in case. I have never experienced gyno sides, so I'm guessing I'm safe there. Bloods late in the month will let me know where my Estrogen levels are at now.

What are the opinions on my dosages here. I think I'm leaning on the moderate side, but this is just my 3rd cycle, and Primo will be my 1 new item of this cycle.

I purchased my SARMS bridge. It looks like I start everything at the posted dosage except for LGD which I start at 3mg, and increase 1 mg a week.
 
I like the idea of using the SARMS in the "PCT" instead of all the test boosters. Seems like a great idea for people that blast in cruise. Makes me want to think about going that route!

I'm sure you already know, but SARMS1 is buy 2 get 1 free right now. You could pick some up for now and later.
 
buddhabuilder said:
While I'm tweaking the 3rd cycle, please check my SARMS bridge.

LGD-4033 10 mg AM
S-4 50 mg a day split AM/PM
GW-50 20 mg a day
Bridge

Let me know what you Bros think.
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These are great doses... right on... I would definitely run this for 12 weeks... even if your cruising i would be using hcgenerate and "liquidex" alongside... that's all you will need with it... looks good bro...
 
burnthiscorpse said:
With the compounds you are running, mast is as dry as you can get with some AI properties. Primo doesn't convert and then there's just test. I still think (barring you being real susceptible to gyno) that even 12.5mg of aromasin EOD is way overdoing it. I would drop the AI and just add it in maybe once a week if you feel you need it. But personally I wouldn't use it at all.
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I agree I dont think the average 12.5 mg/ eod is relevant to a lot of cycles and I learned that the hard way.. Took far too much aromasin (liqui stane at the time) and was lethargic as fuck for like 3 days. Some dont even need to start ai at beginning of cycle just have it on hand, but as you said If you are starting it week 1 then id lower that dosage
 
buddhabuilder said:
Oh yea,

Bridge on the SARMS cycle, and mini PCT;

9-11
Forma Stanzol
Another Natty Test booster
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Hell yea. Dont know about you guys but forma gets me pretty shredded along with its other benefits. I got some gw on the way too I know dylan is gonna be pumped for that lol
 
All right. With much trusted feedback, thank you Dylan, this is what I am looking at. I'm a big fan of the consistent, steady development of a physique, which stevesmi has been writing about lately, and he named every single AAS in this cycle in a post I just read. Remember, I went from 172 lbs. to 210 over the course of 14 years of natural training.

But for now its the 12 week SARMS bridge, which will find me starting this around the middle of April. Plenty of time to gather all my supplies, and design a couple work out phases, and of course, have a clear diet plan.

1-20 Test e 350 mg a week, split in 2
1-20 Mast E 600 mg a week, split in 2
1-20 Primo 800 mg a week, split in 2
1-6 Tbol 50 mg a day
1-20 Aromasin on hand
1-6 N2Guard
5-16 HCGenerate ES
15-20 Winstrol oral 50 mg a day
15-20 N2Guard



Week 21 on, back on cruise Test e 180 a week, split in 2
23-26 Clomid 50/25/25/25
23-26 Unleashed/Post cycle
 
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