firehorse said:
Kane Fan said:
that's good if it's san shou that means there wil be sparring
Yes, bullshit sparring that is. San Shou is a bullshit form of sparring. Sloppy as hell. And usually has absolutely zero in common with the forms that are being taught.
OH SHUT UP !
San Shou IS A RULESET !
Here are the Rules that I googled at Random :
Lei Tai (Full Contact Demonstration) Rules 2005
Lei Tai fighting is designed to challenge the upright or vertical aspect of a fighters skills to include free-movement punching and kicking as well as the clinch takedown/throwing skills; this is not mixed martial arts or grappling and therefore no ground-fighting is allowed.
1. Contestants will fight on a 24 square foot [24' x 24'], 16" high Lei Tai.
Lei Tai platform is generally carpeted without padding, no ring stations or ropes surrounding platform. Some padding on floor along platform with volunteer spotters. Only person on the platform besides fighters is the Referee. Judges sit off and away from the platform.
2. Competitors must use headgear, gloves, mouthpiece, and groin cup. Female competitors must also wear a chest protector. [Headgear is ProForce caged gear; if both fighters agree, laceless shoes or taped laced shoes or martial shoes may be utilized - otherwise fighters are barefoot. No cup, no fight. No mouthpiece, no fight. Shirts may be provided/available. No taping or wraps of hands or fingers allowed. No forearm or shin guards allowed. No more than 2 corner men allowed, with spit bucket, water, and towel suggested.
3. Elimination rounds will be 1 1/2 minutes each. The final fight in each division will have 2-minute rounds. The victor must win two out of three rounds. [Demo fights go three rounds unless one fighter is clearly overwhelmed, withdraws, or is injured. For demo fights there will not be any tiered fights - one pre-scheduled fight for each fighter. Center Referee may call time-outs for equipment malfunctions or injury that require medical evaluation.]
4. Scoring:
n Contestant executes clear [power] punch or kick - 1 point.
n Contestant executes clear punch or kick that knocks opponent down - 2 points.
n Without falling, contestant successfully throws opponent to the ground - 2 points.
n [If throw results in both contestants falling, and initiating fighter lands on top with control- 1 point
n Contestant forces or throws opponent off Lei Tai - 3 points.
n Through own error, contestant loses balance - 1 point deduction
n Contestant executes clear elbow/knee technique without holding - 1 point
n [Contestant executing clear elbow/knee to legal areas while holding are allowed but no points scored]
1. Points:
n Competitor with most points at end of each round wins round; 3rd round may be optional if opponents are clearly mismatched]
n [There are no points for attempted throws, or attempted takedowns, but in case of close decision, fighters aggressiveness and forward pressure (ABC's Always Be Closing) is taken into account]
n [No scoring for clinches, and Center Referee will stop unproductive clinches after 3-5 seconds; Referee can also give warning and even disqualification for excessive clinches that are used to stall or regain strength]
n [There is no points given to ground-fighting and once one or both contestants touch the ground with any part of the body besides the feet, the Center Referee will stop the action and then restart in the same area or move both contestants back to the center.]
2. Penalties:
+ Contact to the eyes, throat, back of the head, [spine and kidney area] or groin is illegal. For female competitors, contact to the chest is also illegal.
+ [contact to the outside or front of the knee is illegal]
+ [inside thigh contact is illegal]
+ outside thigh contact is legal
+ [kicks to shin and calf are legal but score no points]
+ Techniques using the head are illegal.
+ Joint locking to knees, elbows, etc. of any kind is illegal will not be tolerated]
+ Fouls:
1. First violation: 1 point deduction
2. Second violation: 3 point deduction
3. Third violation: disqualification
+ Technical Fouls:
4. First violation: warning
5. Second violation: 1 point deduction
6. Third violation: disqualification
5. Competitors who maliciously hurt their opponents will be held liable for any damages or injuries. The executive referee has full authority to stop the fight at any time for safety or any other reason.
So , basically its Muay Thai rules with Throwing and Ring Outs (ala Sumo) .
So PLEASE would you explain to me how the Punches , Kicks , and Throws that I Unleash upon my victims are LESSER in a San Shou Ruleset than they would be in a MT one , or a MMA one ? Do I punch weaker or slower than if I CALL it "Boxing" ? Do I Lose Technique instantly ? San Shou allows you to Wrap your Opponent up and Drop him on the base of his own Spine while you Drive down on top of him . Hows that "Bullshit" , exactly ? Ive seen DOZENS of ppl transported to the Hospital in ONE DAY of the Kuoshu tournament . YOU may have chosent to fight like a Pussy WITHIN the Ruleset , but please tell me which one ois better . Its the best Sparring Ruleset to prepare you for REAL Fighting .
And just because someone goes to China means jack. Real kung fu is very hard to find and that's why kung fu is ridiculed so much.
No , "Real Kung Fu" may be hard to find but the reason its Ridiculed is because of Chop Saki flicks , The way that the Chinese Language translates into English , BEcause the Chinese were looked upon as a virtual Slave Class for so long , and Bruce Lee . And honestly , "Real Kung Fu" isnt THAT hard to Find , I find it for ppl every day , all over the World . Most pplk that denegrate "Kung Fu" , or even REFER to CMA as "Kung Fu" have not one effing CLUE as to what it is that theyre on about .
If you learn how to fight using techniques from the forms themselves (that's what forms are for - reminders of fighting techniques) then you will actually be learning something real. Not some flashy looking fluff.
No , The forms are there to help your body absorb the movements themselves , and the Flavour of the movements . Theyre there to help you learn HOW to move , and to develop Body Harmony , Timing , and your own Rythym . Theyre there for the same Reason Shadowboxing is there .
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