Things You Don't Need

[lartinos]

lol, one of the worst posts ever..... sorry nelson

 

[alcatraz1662]

Alcatraz, if you love clomid, you're a lucky dude. One of the few. It makes most people feel like shit. I'm still uncertain why that is. No one knows.

As for nolva, it's good for gyno, but if you're getting gyno while taking dex, you're using too much gear.

Sustain isn;t my product and I don;t think anyone, including needto recommends it as a sole anti e.

If anyone wants evidence that UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE work, either try it, or ask someone who has.

You know, there's no "evidence" that HCG works because it isn't a drug designed for men. But it does. So does UNLEASHED.

Nolva and clomid aer also drugs, not designed for PCT. It's all based on speculation. So why be in such a hurry to dismiss a better option?

yeah, clomid never bothered me....no impaired vision, was a little moody one time but for the most part clomid never got to me.

i agree with your statement on nolva, a low dose of adex is usually sufficient throughout any of my cycles.

also, i wasn't referring to sustain as your product. it's just one of the only 2 products that i have tried in placement of ai's and serms.....the second being aifm which actually was somewhat effective in helping me recover (which i won't go into for obvious reasons).

like i said, i will continue to be a supporter of nolva and clomid; however everything deserves a chance and i will read about UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE. cheers,

 

[HAYEZ]

i believe otc supps should be used along side standard pct meds....not to replace them ever...unless we get a group of people and use only otc products along with bloodtests on everyone weekly then thats the only way to back up any product that is to replace what is tried and known for years

 

[Nelson Montana]

i believe otc supps should be used along side standard pct meds....not to replace them ever...unless we get a group of people and use only otc products along with bloodtests on everyone weekly then thats the only way to back up any product that is to replace what is tried and known for years

I agree...to a point.

The problem is, NOTHING is tried and true. I'm a big believer in using anything, be it natural or drug, to acheive a purpose in the best possible way. And suppsa can enhance drugs. Sometimes drugs are the better option. Sometimes natural substances are the better option. I recommend dex for any PCT from aromatizing compounds. Using the supps allows you to use LESS though.

The thing is, for thousands of people, Clomid is a nightmare. And the use of dex and the supps works as well, if not better. So why should those people suffer when they don't have to? That's the whole point.

 

[UA_Iron]

Unleashed is a good product. I tried it and got testy, it was cool. I honestly didnt expect much. It's certainly not a replacement for what a pharmaceutical was meant to do. Herbal concoctions with mixed applicable empirical studies cannot compete with what pharmaceuticals use to verify drugs.

Nolvadex *raised* HDL levels in me. Nolvadex, niacin, omega 3's, and a high fiber diet - I went from HDL of 8 to 40 in almost exactly one month.

Replace Deca with Anadrol and I'd agree with you. I wonder what Mike Mentzer's nuts looked like - dude used to go up to 6g's + week of deca.

Var isnt overpriced when compared to primo. Primo is overpriced and faked 100x more than var. You've been told this multiple times, yet you ignore this fact whenever you post your attack against var. Var isnt even that overpriced for an AAS. The price argument is a moot point. I do not know which one is more effective. Isn't HMG outrageously expensive?

 

[Nelson Montana]

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[mighty-musculus]

I thought it was ok to talk about the way a mod does his job. I am now perma banned and I will never be coming back to the site. Fuck I should have remembered I was on the aas/training forum where they don't take any of my childish shit. If I had a complaint I should have taken it to admin,a mod in a pm,or called the help desk. I was a dumb ass though and I thought it would be cool to cause trouble and disrupt the forum.

I guess needto and the rest of the mods run a tight ship and take no shit.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I thought it was ok to talk about the way a mod does his job. I am now perma banned and I will never be coming back to the site. Fuck I should have remembered I was on the aas/training forum where they don't take any of my childish shit. If I had a complaint I should have taken it to admin,a mod in a pm,or called the help desk. I was a dumb ass though and I thought it would be cool to cause trouble and disrupt the forum.

I guess needto and the rest of the mods run a tight ship and take no shit.

EF isn't the kind of place that bans or censors people for having a difference of opinion. But a certain amount of respect is expected.

Discuss, debate or disagree. But just don't complain. And don't be an ass just for the sake of it. Too many serious bros here for that.

 

[needtogetaas]

EF isn't the kind of place that bans or censors people for having a difference of opinion. But a certain amount of respect is expected.

Discuss, debate or disagree. But just don't complain. And don't be an ass just for the sake of it. Too many serious bros here for that.

lol... I am getting sick of the childish shit going on around here in the last week. I am putting the word out to all mods and mentors its time to tighten up ship again. Its always a few who fuck up the fun for every one else.

I cant say this enough. You want to disagree with sponsors or people that is fine. You want to debate that is fine to. You want to call people names,act like a child, or do nothing but complain about the site. Well then you don't need to be here. We have thousands of other members who know how to be adults. hundreds of thousands of other people who know how to talk like one. Thousands of people who love ef and like a nice clean board with out the fighting and kid shit. I think I rather keep these members happy and not the ass hats.

 

[AnonCanada]

Here is my list of things you do not need.

Nolvadex: It reduces IGF. Fair enough.

Deca:

Some of us have no problems with Deca whatsoever. I cant be alone on this.

Clenbuterol:

Agreed. And now they think it may affect heart valves.

Insulin:

Yep. Too damn dangerous.


Clomid:

Ok

Proviron: never Tried it




Growth Hormone:

Agreed

Anavar:

Whoa Nelly. Ill take Anavar over Primo or Dbol any day of the week. Anavar is the only drug that I know of that is able to decrease visceral fat in the abdominal area. There is anecdotal and imperical data to support this. Furthermore, Anavar is a safe choice fo those concerned with hairloss compared to a DHT based anabolic such as Primo.

Dostinex:

neve tried it.

HCG:

This stuff has been one of teh biggest tools in my arsenal. I will never do antoher cycle without HCG on had.