Things You Don't Need

[skaman007]

can we do a poll on those still using clomid/nolva pct against those who have now moved to sustain /post cycle or similiar?

 

[needtogetaas]

Let me start a bit.

Now this article tells the things we dont need. Sure we might need HCG as we hear a lot from bro's that it made their cycle and recovery easier. Well I use a different kind of pct so I really cant say any exact thing about that.
But I am sure that you weren't thinking like that before you tried HMG , and your posts prove it right??

I am going to back you on this part at least. Hcg on cycle is pretty good shit. It makes recovery a lot more easy.

Some people do need it. I say this with feed back and experence from members. I have seen hundreds of people try everything in the book for pct, and non of it worked. Did a little hcg then did pct over and bam worked like a charm.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I am going to back you on this part at least. Hcg on cycle is pretty good shit. It makes recovery a lot more easy.

Some people do need it. I say this with feed back and experence from members. I have seen hundreds of people try everything in the book for pct, and non of it worked. Did a little hcg then did pct over and bam worked like a charm.

I'm not saying HCG doesn't work. Up to this point it's been necessary and I use and recommend it every time. But HMG is simply a better option.

It maybe was unfair to put HCG in this group since it is effective, but I think as more people use HMG, they'll be saying goodbye to HCG.

 

[needtogetaas]

I'm not saying HCG doesn't work. Up to this point it's been necessary and I use and recommend it every time. But HMG is simply a better option.

It maybe was unfair to put HCG in this group since it is effective, but I think as more people use HMG, they'll be saying goodbye to HCG.

Availability has to come into play at some point though.

 

[HAYEZ]

can we do a poll on those still using clomid/nolva pct against those who have now moved to sustain /post cycle or similiar?

i stick by nolva as being a great recovery tool... u make the poll

 

[needtogetaas]

can we do a poll on those still using clomid/nolva pct against those who have now moved to sustain /post cycle or similiar?

What about the people who use both or a combo using different things to include some or all of them.

 

[skaman007]

What about the people who use both or a combo using different things to include some or all of them.

good point,,the reason i said ,why doesnt SOMEONE start a poll on the differnt pcts ,,and not MYSELF, WAS due to the fact that im sure a vet here could word it better and produce a better response.

 

[needtogetaas]

good point,,the reason i said ,why doesnt SOMEONE start a poll on the differnt pcts ,,and not MYSELF, WAS due to the fact that im sure a vet here could word it better and produce a better response.

Remind me and I will do one.

 

[halfcenturian]

 

[sensational]

It seems almost anti-message board to dismiss some the things people spend time discussing, but in all my years in the sport I've come to realize there are some substances that either don't have merit, aren't as good as once believed, or have been replaced with something better. So my question is; Why still use them?

Here is my list of things you do not need.

Nolvadex:

This was the brainchild of Dan Duchaine. He was thr first to realizr that if steroids convert to estrogen, use an anti estrogen! It prevented gyno in guys who were using high dosages of dbol. Very smart, But nolva isn't the greatest anti e. It lowers IGF. Destroys HDL and oblitarates libido in most guys. In short, it sucks. Even Dan admitted it didn't work all that well and there were better choices. This was in 1998. 10 years later, people still use it. And in 99% of the cases it does nothing.

Deca:

Another good idea that just doesn't pan out. By being a NOR androgen they thought they could circumvent the androgenic side effects of steroids, but the concept backfired. It is MORE suppressive than straight testosterone. It also bloats every bit as much as testosterone and the bloat comes from an increase in progesterone, not prolactin -- making dosinex useless to combat the bloat and impotence. (Though people keep trying).

Clenbuterol:

How a stimlant, which is catabolic became known as an anti catabolic is beyond me. The effects of Clen are very short lived and the sides are horrible. OTC stims are just as good at fat loss, but using stims for fat loss isn;t the best idea. Most OTC are the same but I have to give a shout to Omega's Lipoflame. It kicks ass and sicne the ingredients of most products are the same, you might as well get something that's a good price and supports the site.

Insulin:

Want to increase insulin after a workout? Drink a jug of Gatordade! Vanadyl sulfate increases insulin as well. And I'll go on the record as saying taking a BIG BLAST after each workout will work as well, if not better. And it won't kill you if you take too much.


Clomid:

Oh, how I hate this shit. I also love how people say it increases seninal volume. Pure rumor, myth and wishful thinking. It LOWERS it. It effects mood, causes depression, can impair sight, cause cancer and in some guys like myself, completely kill libido. This is a drug that was never intended for men. It is an estrogen. Chances are , if it "worked" for you, it was IN SPITE of using it, not because of it. Clomid seems to be benificial in about 20% of the people using it and disastrous in the rest. Today, with products like Alpha Sustain and POST CYCLE as well as superior anti e's like arimidex and aromasan, taking Clomid is like using a rotary phone. There's really no point.

Proviron:

I love Proviron. But UNLEASHED is so damn close to it and it's non supressive and non toxic, I really can't justify using Proviron for the anti SHBG effects.

T3:

It's nuts to use this stuff to burn fat. It will only suppress your thyroid and the 5 pounds you lose will quickly come back and you run the risk of having a sub par thyroid the rest of your life. Don't be an asshole! Use ZIP to hype the tyroid safely.

Growth Hormone:

The most overrated compound in bodybuilding. Sure, if you're a pro and need that extra 2%, you have to use it. But compare the results you'd get from $100 of GH to $100 of testosterone. No contest. GH also is far more dangerous than many are willing to accept. Bodybuilding dosages put you at the risk of many cancers. No worth it. You want GH? Squat and sleep!

Anavar:

First of all, there's nothing var dos that primo doesn't do better. Secondly, I'd stack 25 mgs a day of dbol against 50 mgs of var and the dbol wins. Sure, you get some bloat but a little DEFINITION takes care of that as long as you work up a sweat in your workouts. Besides, a little bloat increases size and strength. Var is weak, overpriced and overrated. There are better options -- mainly, almost any other oral.

Dostinex:

I'm not saying this is NEVER needed but it's need a lot less often than people think. Before you use Dos, CHECK YOUR PROLACTIN LEVEL:S. Don't assume. It has serious side effects. And Mucana Purians lowers prolactin naturally pretty well as does zinc, Vit E and B6.

HCG:

I've never been impressed with HCG but it had its place. It never really "cured" anything but it does give the HPTA a little jump start which helps in recovery. The problem is , people think it actually helps restore the HPTA, which it does not. Also, we've all heard about "Ledig sensitization" though no one can gauge it. After using HCG only once every other month for 2 years I have to say, it seems to do nothing anymore. HMG is the shit. Instead of mimicking LH, it actually increases it, getting the body to work in a more natural manner. It can be used to take a break from gear, as a recovery agent and as an adjunct to HRT. It also is the most powerful sex stimulant on the planet.


That's it bros. Add your own if you like. And although there may be some who will disagree at first, it will become evident that this list is accurate. These are obsolete compounds. It's time to move into the 21st century of anabolic enhancement. That means becoming aware of better products, better techniques, and most importantly, letting go of outdated thinking.

Agree on Nolvadex.

Agree with what you said about deca except I like using it at a lose dose to help with my joints...it seems to help more than any other compound.

I also hate clenbuterol or any beta-2 agonist used in bodybuilding. There are much safer ways to lose weight.

Insulin: While drinking a gatorade will spike your insulin, it will not be as effective as supplementing with it. I would put this in the category as elite bodybuilder use only, along with GH and T-3.

Clomid does suck, I hate it.

Proviron: I love the stuff. I would love to see a free test comparison with Unleashed to evaluate just how necessary proviron is.

T3: Should not be trifled with by your average joe. However, it is the great potentiator hormone and can augment the effects of other hormones in the body. Should go in the elite bodybuilders arsenal only.

GH: Its expense, along with its risk and minimal effects are not worth it unless you are elite bber.

Anavar: I have to disagree Nelson. I love var, its just ridiculously expensive, but it has its place in bbing. Remember that each person's physiology is slightly different and will respond to different compounds differently. Just because you responded poorly does not mean someone else will not respond amazingly to it.

Dostinex: Should be used to alleviate prolactin induced effects only. Its expense along with its potential side effects are not worth the purchase usually.

HCG: What needto said mimics my sentiments.

One compound I would like to add:

Winstrol: I love the effects of it and how it sheds sub-Q water and lowers SHBG by a large degree. But it is so harsh on the joints, it can inhibit training and possibly be more of a hindrance than a help at a certain point. I think we should always encourage and small dose of deca or NPP with the use of winny. Shit is harsh and messes up your blood lipid profile bad.

Also: A bber does not need cinnamon rolls or donuts. Good Lord I love them, but if i buy them I instantly spike my blood sugar and add a good 500-1k of shit calories to my diet. The goal is to add quality muscle, not a bunch of shitty looking mass imo.