thinforum?

[karde]

check out this forum: http://www.futurebird.com/thinforum/

There are some very confused people on there. One girl is talking about using lipo to remove muscle from her legs?

and there is a fasting and purging support thread, to keep them motivated to loose the weight!

 

[Honeynut]

that's sick. What unfortunate people. If you're going to have a body complex, at least lean on the fit side

 

[MoneyBags]

i just read this story about some cheerleader girl that thought she was getting fat so she vomitted all the time until she lost so much weight she looked like a skeleton!!! oh man i couldnt help but rub one out!!!!! all you girls should learn from this one brave girls struggle to be thin and do as she did!!!!

 

[karde]

gross

 

[Crazier]

Oh wow. I'm reading the purging stories.

How sad!!!
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[nevertoobig]

thats fuckin sick. When i can be bothered i'll post on taht board telling them what i think. Someone needs to try and show them that the best way to get 'thin' is by leading a healthy lifestyle.

I just read a thread which they complained their pro-anorexic sites where getting closed down!

 

[karde]

It's amazing that they are proud of it, and supporting each other to be anorexic. When somebody posted that they had recovered from it, they were all mourning the loss of a fellow purger.

 

[MoneyBags]

you people are assholes. there is nothing wrong with a little anorexia or bullemia as long as its done in moderation.

 

[nevertoobig]

i was looking for a website taht i could report this 'thinforum' to, and i came across this:

On one of her pages, she calls website visitors crude and obscene names writing material such as "You MUST BE STOPPED. Get your hand away from that bag of crisps, and throw them away. That's right. Now go to the bathroom and get rid of all that food inside you. Now find the laxatives, that's right, and take about, hmm...lets look at you....150 I would say. Now the diuretics, swallow down the whole bottle."

This behavior was extremely upsetting. As I browsed her site, I found a page entitled "pictures" and this page showed pictures of her badly mutilated body that had been cut. She encourages website visitors to "take pictures of themselves" and send them in for display on her website. She also tells visitors how to "avoid attention from the police or authorities" while doing so. If this behavior isn't enough, she continues to write "Now go downstairs to the kitchen, that's right. Get the largest serrated knife you can find. Got it? Good. Lift your shirt up if you can find the bottom under all those LAYERS OF FAT. Now that's right, CUT ALL THE FAT AWAY. Don't stop, you DESERVE THE PAIN. You deserve it for being FAT and LAZY and WEAK and for EATING. Keep cutting, that's it. Cut until all that fat is on the floor, quivering like jelly. Make it go and NEVER LET THE FAT COME BACK."


How fucking sick is that.

 

[nevertoobig]

you people are assholes. there is nothing wrong with a little anorexia or bullemia as long as its done in moderation.

LOL

 

[karde]

i was looking for a website taht i could report this 'thinforum' to, and i came across this:

On one of her pages, she calls website visitors crude and obscene names writing material such as "You MUST BE STOPPED. Get your hand away from that bag of crisps, and throw them away. That's right. Now go to the bathroom and get rid of all that food inside you. Now find the laxatives, that's right, and take about, hmm...lets look at you....150 I would say. Now the diuretics, swallow down the whole bottle."

This behavior was extremely upsetting. As I browsed her site, I found a page entitled "pictures" and this page showed pictures of her badly mutilated body that had been cut. She encourages website visitors to "take pictures of themselves" and send them in for display on her website. She also tells visitors how to "avoid attention from the police or authorities" while doing so. If this behavior isn't enough, she continues to write "Now go downstairs to the kitchen, that's right. Get the largest serrated knife you can find. Got it? Good. Lift your shirt up if you can find the bottom under all those LAYERS OF FAT. Now that's right, CUT ALL THE FAT AWAY. Don't stop, you DESERVE THE PAIN. You deserve it for being FAT and LAZY and WEAK and for EATING. Keep cutting, that's it. Cut until all that fat is on the floor, quivering like jelly. Make it go and NEVER LET THE FAT COME BACK."


How fucking sick is that.

woah, that's some hardcore shit

 

[karde]

BUMP, cause i wanna see some shit start flying

 

[Night Fly]

That is so sick...

I am speechless...utterly speechless.

 

[Honeynut]

Karde has confessed secretly to me that he visits this site and bashes on people when he's bored... Apparently the fatforum and the thinforum crash each others' sites and start huge flame wars. Sounds entertaining... lol

PLEASE DON"T TELL THEM ABOUT ELITE... God those people wouldn't last three minutes in here! lol

 

[Honeynut]

BUMP, cause i wanna see some shit start flying

(Karde chanting in the background.... FIGHT!! FIGHT!! FIGHT!! lol)

 

[karde]

imagine the pain they cause their families doing this shit
and what about 13-16 year old girls who stumble across this site
and find a group that will help them to become anorexic
it's sick

sites like this should be criminal

 

[supersizeme]

wow i have been reading this most of the afternoon. some fucked up shit!!

" i was underweight actually when i first started mia, but after living with her for a while i maintained an average weight, losing a pound or two on ocassion. right now i wouldn't call myself ana with purging tendencies, though i do restrict my diet and when i do eat i purge, i still "binge" (more than 500 cals a day) on ocassion. so who knows what the heck i am...lol. but i currently weigh 120 at 5'5, and to the outside world i look thin, though to me i'm still a blob. "


holy crap the binging benchmark is 500 cals. daaaaamn these girls don't eat shit.

i'm tempted to start a "Post Your Stats" thread but i think that would be in bad taste...

 

[Rémy!]

My current fav topic "Running out of places to put vomit...."

Here

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

My current fav topic "Running out of places to put vomit...."

Here

OK, now that is just sick.

 

[Rémy!]

i'm tempted to start a "Post Your Stats" thread but i think that would be in bad taste...

Im already ahead of ya Tasteless

 

[karde]

nice sig on that site remy

"you must eat to grow"

 

[Honeynut]

If you throw up at the sight of them, they probably take it as a compliment

 

[Honeynut]

Im already ahead of ya Tasteless

I replied I should set up an account too...

 

[Rémy!]

@ Honeynut, great stuff.

"Men find me attractive BECAUSE I AM HEALTHY "

 

[nevertoobig]

Guys your not doing much good by taking the piss out of them. Remember, it is a disease.

Its like making fun of an alcoholic or something, only these people are more self-conscious.

 

[Crazier]

LOL @ Honeynut...

But who ever did this:

Anonymous
Unregistered User Posted: 2001-11-15 17:36
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yes, welcome! Please, work hard at losing weight... May you lose enough weight so your throats collapse and your fingers won't type and you'll have no way of communicating, so teens of the future don't have anyone to put these completely fucking repulsive and dangerous ideas into their heads!
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Let's not go over and trash on their site. If they knew of ours they could come here and slam us with sticking our asses with needles, and we wouldn't appreciate that either. It's disgusting, it's sad, it's educational on the subject, and interesting to read, but let's not start being assholes over there.
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[Rémy!]

Most of them are helping each other live the purge/anorex lifestyle and praising it, not trying to help each other get over the problem.

 

[karde]

I don't think it's only our site going over there. From the reading I have done on it, they are feuding with countless other sites on the web. Including the fatgirlfriend forum.

 

[Honeynut]

great recipe on thin forum

edited because it wasn't very nice and Crazier made me feel repentant

 

[Honeynut]

OK, OK - I'll leave them alone...
I do feel bad, I just think that, like Remy said, this should be a site devoted to helping them get over this disease, not encouraging each other to get worse. It's sad and disgusting to me.

 

[Crazier]

Just like here Remy. If I ask what cycle I should go on, you guys wouldn't say.... Steroid's are an addictive drug, that cause havoc in your body, therefore, I don't think you should do another cycle.

Your response would be, you need more test in that cycle man!!!

Different lifestyle, different mind frame. Respect it. We all have demons of our own, and I would guess you are no better than the next guy.
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[Rémy!]

I agree this is extremely subjective, but I think starvation is on another level entirely. To live you need water, shelter and FOOD. These are the basic necessities of life, plus not everyone on this site uses gear. Honestly which do you think is healthier? Getting a plethora of your macro/micro nutrients and using steroids or slowly starving your body in a endless cycle? It doesn’t matter anyway, my views are being expressed on this board not to the thin forums, only there ideology gets to me.

I may have once said that food is my friend ...But now I've found the way ..Drink the most water my body can hold
And eat just 1 apple a day. -Thinboards

 

[Crazier]

I agree this is extremely subjective, but I think starvation is on another level entirely. To live you need water, shelter and FOOD. These are the basic necessities of life, plus not everyone on this site uses gear. Honestly which do you think is healthier? Getting a plethora of your macro/micro nutrients and using steroids or slowly starving your body in a endless cycle? It doesn’t matter anyway, my views are being expressed on this board not to the thin forums, only there ideology gets to me.
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I know where you are coming from. I feel the same way. But it's your approach to help these people. Going in and tearing ass doesn't help anyone. I started an offer to help thread earlier today, that has now been deleted (lame)... and a 20 year old girl mailed me back. She's been blumimic for 4 years. She hates it. She wants out. If I wrote her back being a dick, that wouldn't help her...

I may have once said that food is my friend ...But now I've found the way ..Drink the most water my body can hold
And eat just 1 apple a day. -Thinboards

I saw that earlier today... it's sad. All the signature's over there are pretty disturbing.
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[Crazier]

Whoopps.... Looks like I screwed up that quoted post!
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[karde]

Reading that site is like looking at a car wreck

 

[MoneyBags]

i am gonna register at that board and pick up some chicks there. thats the kinda chick im looking for. i respect a girl who is willing to puke regularly in order to look good. i think some of you chicks from here should take some advice from the purgatorium cause those chicks know what their talking about.

 

[Trance]

LOL

Must be nice to feel so superior to the rest of the (flawed) human race.

God knows you muscle-heads have no body image issues. God knows none of you are here because of a deep, psychological need to feel physically superior.

You use drugs. We starve. Who's more unhealthy? Who cares.

Get over yourselves.

 

[Honeynut]

I disagree. Sure, we're concerned with our bodies, but we're on the healthy end of the spectrum. You guys are killing yourselves!

I've said this on the thinforum as well - if you would turn this insane need for control, this crazed dedication, against your illness, you'd have the drive to kick your ass out of bed and into the gym every morning at six. You could use that compulsion and build your body with it, you could control yourself feverishly into a state of perfect fitness and health.

Instead, you starve yourselves, you vomit your nourishment, and you waste away. You are dying.

 

[mattcanning99]

at first i thought this thread was request to start a "thin forum" here on elite, so i was really surprised to see that link...

interesting, to say the least...

 

[Trance]

Mer?

Honeynut, could you be a little more judgemental? Do you think I'm bald and have blue skin as well? I think you've watched too many TV movies.

I don't vomit. I don't often fail to eat for more than a day or two. We're not all emaciated freaks. Underweight does not automatically equal unhealthy. If I wanted to stereotype, I could assume that you ladies don't shave your pits and had facial hair growth from steroid use. But I don't like to stereotype.

I'm 5'11 and a muscular 135. "Underweight" according to doctor's charts, but not to me. I've been emaciated at 108, and I didn't care for the look.

Some of us are extremely concerned about our health, and very conscientious regarding proper vitamin intake. Some aren't. Some purge, some don't. Some of you do steroids, but some don't, right? Do you appreciate being pigeonholed? I don't.

 

[karde]

Interesting that you talk about pigeonholing, yet you go on the women's forum here and do it.

 

[Honeynut]

Re: Mer?

I don't often fail to eat for more than a day or two.

I think that's all you needed to say.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Re: Mer?

If I wanted to stereotype, I could assume that you ladies don't shave your pits and had facial hair growth from steroid use. But I don't like to stereotype.

HEHEHehaehahhaeoahoahoehheahhahhahhehehahaha

Yea, I am FREQUENTLY mistaken for A DUDE!

I'm 5'11 and a muscular 135. "Underweight" according to doctor's charts, but not to me. I've been emaciated at 108, and I didn't care for the look.

MUSCULAR 135# at 5'11"?!?! I am not trying to be mean, but which dictionary were you using when you looked up the definition of the word muscular?

And 5'11" at 108# is not a "look" - IT IS DEATH. How sad, how sad.

Some of us are extremely concerned about our health, and very conscientious regarding proper vitamin intake. Some aren't. Some purge, some don't. Some of you do steroids, but some don't, right? Do you appreciate being pigeonholed? I don't.

Do you realize that your body will NOT absorb the vitamins that you consume UNLESS they are taken with WHOLE FOOD? So if you only fail to eat on every other day, how much of the money that you spend on vitamins, etc is literally pissed away? Me, personally, I'd rather spend my money on a steak, green beans, yams and wash it down with a big old chocolate shake - THE HORROR OF IT!

And as for stereotypes - this is not about that AT ALL. This is about FACTS.

FACT:

If you continue to binge/purge/starve your hair will fall out, your gums and teeth will become diseased, your body WILL literally use its own lean mass for energy. What is THE MOST important muscle in your body?! NO - it is NOT Russell the Love Muscle..... IT IS YOUR HEART. So, tell me what happens when it ceases to function..... Oh wait - you will have accomplished what you originally intended to do: Starve yourself to death!


*thunderous applause*

As I stated on the Women's Board, this is not about bashing a forum where women with these disorders are coming to try and openly discuss SERIOUS disorders that they can not otherwise talk about because of the element of shame that is involved. This site DOES NOT offer HELP!

IT PERPETUATES THE SICKNESS!!!!

I have come across sites where women can openly discuss their eating disorders and their is support and help to try and OVERCOME their demons. There is ZERO bashing there. I am not saying that there is an excuse for such behavior, but surely you can understand people's outrage when they read such HORRIFYING STATEMENTS - "CUT THE FAT OFF OF YOUR BODY WITH A SERRATED KNIFE BECAUSE YOU ARE WEAK AND LAZY AND YOU DESERVE THE PAIN?!"

Ok - sounds rrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaallllllll
healthy to me.

 

[The Shadow]

Re: Re: Mer?

Do you realize that your body will NOT absorb the vitamins that you consume UNLESS they are taken with WHOLE FOOD? So if you only fail to eat on every other day, how much of the money that you spend on vitamins, etc is literally pissed away?

So water solubles like Vitamin C are only absorbed with food??

That's the same as saying that drinking OJ has no nutritional value from a vitamin standpoint...??

 

[Bikini Mod]

Not at all....

OJ though a liquid is still a whole food.

I do not know the chemical function of it all, but I DO KNOW that your body will not absorb vitamin supplements unless they are taken WITH WHOLE FOOD.

Could a chemist or diet guru who can explain this please help me out?

Many of the meal replacement shakes, bars, etc are "nutritionally complete" - hell, some have vitamin and mineral quantities that are like 100's of times the recommended by the USRDA for daily allowances.... So then why bother to eat food?

There MUST be a reason why they are called SUPPLEMENTS....

 

[Bikini Mod]

Also whether a vitamin/mineral is fat or water soluable is not directly related to thier ability to be absorbed by your body, but rather by HOW they are stored in your cells.

It is my understanding (We are going back to high school physiology now.) that a water soluable vit/min is NOT able to be stored within your cells. So, in essence, you can pretty much take in all you want and will not OD because it will NOT be stored and build up in your cells, thus becoming toxic. Whereas a fat soluable vit/min IS stored within your cells. So if you take in TOO MUCH, it will build up and become HIGHLY TOXIC with time.

Maybe I am wrong or partially incorrect. I am no chemist, hehehe

As I said, diet/chemistry gurus please clarify. If I am mistaken I would REALLY appreciate being set straight (no sarcasm... the statement is for real).

 

[Crazier]

Re: Re: Mer?

HEHEHehaehahhaeoahoahoehheahhahhahhehehahaha

Yea, I am FREQUENTLY mistaken for A DUDE!



And 5'11" at 108# is not a "look" - IT IS DEATH. How sad, how sad.


As I stated on the Women's Board, this is not about bashing a forum where women with these disorders are coming to try and openly discuss SERIOUS disorders that they can not otherwise talk about because of the element of shame that is involved. This site DOES NOT offer HELP!

IT PERPETUATES THE SICKNESS!!!!

I have come across sites where women can openly discuss their eating disorders and their is support and help to try and OVERCOME their demons. There is ZERO bashing there. I am not saying that there is an excuse for such behavior, but surely you can understand people's outrage when they read such HORRIFYING STATEMENTS - "CUT THE FAT OFF OF YOUR BODY WITH A SERRATED KNIFE BECAUSE YOU ARE WEAK AND LAZY AND YOU DESERVE THE PAIN?!"

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I'm surprised you are being so judgemental Bikinimom. Obviously she struck a nerve with you in her women and steroid stereotype.
Like myself, and every other human, you don't have the ability to judge another person accurately. So don't try. Tarde didn't come over here to bash our site, she came over here because we went to her's first. And some people started saying mean shit. You think they like, and chose their disease? Just like this site Bikinimom... If you ask for steroid advice, we don't tell you the dangers, and blah blah blah... We give you advice on what you are looking for. That site they have is an open forum to discuss their problems. However, if you read more than just the purgatorium section, you would have noticed the forum called "A Place For Help." Some people are at a different stage in their disease. Therefore, you are incorrect. This site does offer help for people that have come to that road and are looking for it. Our site doesn't offer a "help" forum for people addicted to the juice. Are steroids good for you BM? Stop judging others.
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[THeMaCHinE]

Also whether a vitamin/mineral is fat or water soluable is not directly related to thier ability to be absorbed by your body, but rather by HOW they are stored in your cells.

It is my understanding (We are going back to high school physiology now.) that a water soluable vit/min is NOT able to be stored within your cells. So, in essence, you can pretty much take in all you want and will not OD because it will NOT be stored and build up in your cells, thus becoming toxic. Whereas a fat soluable vit/min IS stored within your cells. So if you take in TOO MUCH, it will build up and become HIGHLY TOXIC with time.

Maybe I am wrong or partially incorrect. I am no chemist, hehehe

As I said, diet/chemistry gurus please clarify. If I am mistaken I would REALLY appreciate being set straight (no sarcasm... the statement is for real).

I don't know the whole answer to your question, but I do know that vitamins need the proper PH level in your stomach to be utilzed to their greatest potential... Eating with food creates that proper PH level (I believe it is 2.5 but could have flawed memory). (If I remember correctly, an empty stomach is about 3.0)

I'm not sure that they are completely useless without food, I would surmise that their function is impaired though.

Just trying to remember snippets from stuff I read a long time ago -- the numbers may be off, but the essence should hold true.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Re: Mer?

Some of you do steroids, but some don't, right? Do you appreciate being pigeonholed? I don't.

You make the mistake of automatically assuming that steroids are detrimental to your health. Used correctly, steroids are actually beneficial to one's health. Many studies support this.

Furthermore, steroids are used legitimately in medicine. They are given to kids, people w/ hormonal deficiencies, people wishing to extend their enjoyment of life (i.e. longevity clincis), aids patients, burn victims, etc... So there is an obvious precedent for the effiacacy of steroids in promoting health. What medical practices recommend purging on a consistent basis?

 

[Bikini Mod]

First off -

I have NEVER asked for A/S advice. I DO NOT CONDONE OR CONDEMN THEM..... If you have read ANY of my posts about A/S you will see that I STRONGLY RECOMMEND they NOT BE USED....go over to the women's board and check it out.

And I STRONGLY DISAGREE with your assessment about elite. That when one asks advice about A/S and other drugs that the person making the inquiry is NOT CAUTION HEAVILY ABOUT THE HEALTH RISKS AND SIDES ASSOCIATED WITH ALL USE!

I do not frequent the Anabolics board all that much, but you obviously YOU DO NOT FREQUENT THE WOMEN'S BOARD - BAR NONE THE BEST BOARD ON ELITE!

I recently asked on the training board why a guy who had done so well w/out the use of A/S and did a very mild cycle with good results was now going to do a MUCH BIGGER ONE.... I asked why he would not just stick with mild cycles....

I am all about education. The fact of the matter is that good or bad STEROIDS ARE ILLEGAL so they can not be openly discussed, so lets agree here and move on.

Alcohol and tobacco are LEGAL... are they good for you?! NO - but it is ok for me to purchase them and abuse them as I see fit until I:

A) kill myself and then my family can turn around and sue a big tobacco company because I had not been adequately warned.

B) kill/mame somebody else while operating a car or having my judgement/behavior OTHERWISE impaired from the ingestion of alcohol.

If I have accurate information about A/S then I dispense it. If that makes me evil - so be it.

As for this poster hitting a nerve - YES SHE DID. But it is not a SUPERFICIAL NERVE as you suggest.

Please go and read the thread posted about this very topic on the women's discussion board and you will see EXACTLY WHICH NERVE SHE HIT. I think you might change your mind.

See I was trapped in the same hell that these women are trapped in FOR YEARS - YES - MOST OF MY ADULT AND ALL OF MY ADOLESCENT LIFE! So, if as a former anorexic/bulimic I do NOT have the experience to comment on what I see as being A SHAM OF AN EXCUSE FOR A SUPPORT FORUM FOR PEOPLE WITH EATING DISORDERS.... then excuse the heck out of me.

You are correct in your assumption that I did NOT see the section where support IS offered. Forgive me if I clicked off after I saw the passages from members about cutting the fat from their bodies with a knife! HELLO!!! Was this part of the forum as prevalent as the other sections where everybody was tickled pink to be killing themselves?! If it was and I missed it, I apologize WHOLEHEARTEDLY!

Do you have children? Or has anyone that you have cared for EVER suffered from this affliction? If the answer is yes, then I think you might understand my passion.

I have NEVER gone on any of these websites no matter HOW TWISTED and flamed or bashed anyone. I am compassionate enough to know that these people no matter how twisted DO NOT NEED RIDICULE (I was not ridiculing anyone in any of my posts about this topic. Was my language strong and perhaps, pervocative? HELL YES - for this I will NOT apologize as I take this issue very seriously, and YES, very personally!) - they need help and support. But I will NOT stand by and let any rhetoric that these people are "health conscious" and not hurting anyone go unaddressed.

 

[The Shadow]

Not at all....

OJ though a liquid is still a whole food.

I do not know the chemical function of it all, but I DO KNOW that your body will not absorb vitamin supplements unless they are taken WITH WHOLE FOOD.

Could a chemist or diet guru who can explain this please help me out?

Many of the meal replacement shakes, bars, etc are "nutritionally complete" - hell, some have vitamin and mineral quantities that are like 100's of times the recommended by the USRDA for daily allowances.... So then why bother to eat food?

There MUST be a reason why they are called SUPPLEMENTS....

Just seems strange that vits. would not be absorbed at all if you drank just water with them. How would their absorption be any different than medications??

Mom - I have an MSCHEM degree, but I don't know what is the correct approach to this problem.

Taking on an empty stomach with food would provise an insulin response, but that is the only benefit I see to the situation.

An empty stomach would aid absorbtion, pH notwithstanding.

 

[The Shadow]

It is my understanding (We are going back to high school physiology now.) that a water soluable vit/min is NOT able to be stored within your cells. So, in essence, you can pretty much take in all you want and will not OD because it will NOT be stored and build up in your cells, thus becoming toxic. Whereas a fat soluable vit/min IS stored within your cells. So if you take in TOO MUCH, it will build up and become HIGHLY TOXIC with time.

Water solubles are stored in the cells as well, it's just the excess is flushed out with the rest of the waste products of the body. The water solubles CANNOT be stored in fat cells, therefore they are flushed. THe converse is true with fat solubles.

 

[Crazier]

Re: Re: Mer?

You make the mistake of automatically assuming that steroids are detrimental to your health. Used correctly, steroids are actually beneficial to one's health. Many studies support this.

True... But, I also don't think a doctor prescribes 1000+ grams of test per week. That's abuse.

Bikinimom - First off, let me explain that I wasn't trying to bash on you, or your view. I agree with everything you said. It would be a terrible way to live, anorexic or blumimic. It was just your approach, how you said it that seemed more of an insult than words of encouragement... and as you know, when struggling with an addiction/mental illness, words of encouragement are exactly what people need more than anything else.

And I STRONGLY DISAGREE with your assessment about elite. That when one asks advice about A/S and other drugs that the person making the inquiry is NOT CAUTION HEAVILY ABOUT THE HEALTH RISKS AND SIDES ASSOCIATED WITH ALL USE!

True... BEFORE someone starts the gear, everyone is cautious, letting people know that they should be educated before use...
But my point is that we don't have any forum set up for people that want to stop gear but feel they can't because anyone that has used, knows that coming off sucks. We would go to a different site to seek that information... however, you attacked their board because you didn't think they offered a place for help... however it is okay for ours not too??? Not saying we should, or that I want it, but if a non user comes to this site, it doesn't look like we encourage natural lifting. Hypocritical statement.

I recently asked on the training board why a guy who had done so well w/out the use of A/S and did a very mild cycle with good results was now going to do a MUCH BIGGER ONE.... I asked why he would not just stick with mild cycles....

This is the beginning of addiction to steroids. You see how much you grow with just a little bit, how much more would you grow with twice the dosage? Then, when you come off, your muscles start to shrink, you look for another cycle... yet, this one has to be bigger and better than the last in order to be as effective. A never ending cycle for gear heads that choose to juice all the time. Actually, I would choose to argue that this isn't so much a choice as an addiction, as anorexia and blumimia.


Do you have children? Or has anyone that you have cared for EVER suffered from this affliction? If the answer is yes, then I think you might understand my passion.

Yes, I do. I have a 4 year old daughter. Her mom was anorexic for about two years. I share your passion, and promote your words of wisdom and encouragement. As you indicated, you had suffered through this throughout your teenage years... who better to offer words of encouragement, and alternatives to the lifestyle they have become accustomed too.

I have NEVER gone on any of these websites no matter HOW TWISTED and flamed or bashed anyone. I am compassionate enough to know that these people no matter how twisted DO NOT NEED RIDICULE.

And, this is why time after time I choose to read your posts. This one just kind of surprised me because it was not done in your usual manner, and that is why I replied to your thread the way I did.
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[Bikini Mod]

Thank you for the education Corn. (I am working on the avatar, tee-hee.)

Like I said - I am NO EXPERT on this topic. I remember many bits of legitimate information. Sadly, I can not remember (probably because of my admitted lack of understanding) the chemistry or physiology of it.

Perhaps I was incorrect in stating that NONE of the vit/min would be absorbed when not taken with whole food, but it has always been my understanding that A GREAT DEAL of the benefit would be lost by NOT CONSUMING such supplements WITH whole food.

Could somebody who knows about this post up and help a body out?!

 

[Bikini Mod]

Fair enough Crazier.... fair enough. I can see where you would've taken the statements that I made the way you did... but I still will not apologize for my approach. I feel strongly about this and perhaps I am wrong, but I am glad that you can understand my feelings.... as I can understand yours. (I am glad that your wife is ok - I TRULY AM!)

And you DO raise an interesting point about gear and how to help those stop who WANT TO, BUT CAN'T.....

I agree, that perhaps there could be some discussion about this.

The addictive (psychological addiction) nature of A/S is one of the reasons why I caution so heavily AGAINST IT. Many people (WOMEN ESPECIALLY) do not understand that though many of the effects of proper use of gear in conjunction with proper diet and training may be retained after cycle - some, if not most will be lost: the strength, hardness, vascularity, size, overall feeling of well-being while the sides (ESPECIALLY FOR WOMEN) are usually PERMANENT!

Like I said, I don't know how the anabolics board operates but the Women's Board is VERY CAUTIONARY about A/S use and MANY of the members after careful research and much debate decide to maintain there non-A/S using status (I hesitate to use the word natural as there is nothing natural about bodybuilding to begin with - LOL). The SIDES ARE REAL and the benefits FOR MOST DO NOT OUTWEIGH THE RISKS!

But for those that seek knowledge, I feel, over on the women's board, it is given responsibly. Most guys who post up asking questions about giving their girl gear so she can "drop a few pounds" are VERY QUICKLY SHOWN THE DOOR!

I am very happy that we had this discussion. I will post up on the mods forum when I get in from work late tonite about this very topic..... see what discussion it brings there.... can't make any promise, but I think the topic merits examination.

 

[The Shadow]

Thank you for the education Corn. (I am working on the avatar, tee-hee.)

Like I said - I am NO EXPERT on this topic. I remember many bits of legitimate information. Sadly, I can not remember (probably because of my admitted lack of understanding) the chemistry or physiology of it.

Perhaps I was incorrect in stating that NONE of the vit/min would be absorbed when not taken with whole food, but it has always been my understanding that A GREAT DEAL of the benefit would be lost by NOT CONSUMING such supplements WITH whole food.

Could somebody who knows about this post up and help a body out?!

I'll post the topic on the Select Board to find some real answers

 

[Bikini Mod]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh.... brawn and brains!

Gotta love that!

 

[Captain_insano]

Hey B-mom hit me up with some of your good Karma...what are you up to?

 

[Crazier]

(I am glad that your wife is ok - I TRULY AM!) [/B]

Thank you... And I wish she were my wife.

I am very happy that we had this discussion. I will post up on the mods forum when I get in from work late tonite about this very topic..... see what discussion it brings there.... can't make any promise, but I think the topic merits examination. [/B]

Sounds good!!!
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[THeMaCHinE]

Re: Re: Re: Mer?

True... But, I also don't think a doctor prescribes 1000+ grams of test per week. That's abuse.
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Not everybody (or even most) that do steroids use them in gram+ quantities. Notice the verbiage in my previous statement -- I said when used correctly (i.e. in a certain manner) they can have health-enhancing properties... There are plenty of applications in the 300-400 mg/wk range. Like anything else, there is potential for abuse.