There are so many different opinions i think we should come together and...

[Mike P.T.]

Either....

1) 250mg test

2) 250mg sus with 200mg deca or eq

3) 500mg test

*liquidex - optional and doseages vary

Done for 10-12 weeks

clomid therapy at 100mg first week 50mg second week

 

[The Terminator]

50 mg tren ed is only 350 mg/week. I would only add a small amont of test to keep up the sex drive. That's not "a gram a week total gear". Even if he took the upper limit of what I suggested, it would only be 650 mg/week total gear. You think that is overkill? While tren is a powerful AAS, I don't think it's any more dangerous or unsuitable for a first cycle than dbol or test for that matter. No one has been able to find any supporting information to indicate tren is hard on the kidneys or liver, only rumors. Conversely, dbol is commonly known to be liver toxic and test can have adverse effects due in part to aromatization to estradiol or reduction to dihydrotestosterone. Please tell me why what I suggest is not sound advise. I am not being sarcastic; I certainly don't want to be giving advise that hurts someone.

-Spidey

That's why I made sure to put the word "most" in there, and really "most" of these are not really high (although some are) but I don't see any need to be stacking drugs (maybe one inj. and one oral, but no need at all for 2 injectables and one oral for a first cycle, that's more than I am doing on a 3rd cycle.) Although the cycle you laid out would be great for strength and mass gains, I still think one is better served using a single compound the first time around (test being the optimum choice). I am growing like a weed right now off of 500 mg. test/week and 20 mg dbol/day with 1 arimidex tab EOD (and this is my 3rd cycle)

 

[Manu]

Bump

 

[jogan]

I vote for:

Testo enth or cyp
250 mg. Day 0-3-6-13-16-23-26 .... for 12 weeks.
With Zinc 100 mg/day, + finasteride 1 mg

Dont like stacks for a first timer

 

[Andy13]

There is no way to answer this..

This is like asking "which chest routine is the best?"

Best for what?

What are your goals?

Are you prone to MPB? gyno? acne?

How often do you want to inject?

How long do you want to be on the cycle?

 

[Frackal]

Andy's right. For someone who is not prone to hairloss, I'd suggest 500mg test and 400mg eq a week.

 

[madmatt]

My first cycle will be started within two weeks and consist of:

300mg QV Deca wkly
400mg TT Cyp. wkly
In 2 shots a week

60 tabs of 10mg Nolva on hand
100 tabs of 2.5mg Bromo on hand

30 tabs of 50mg Clomid post cycle!

What do you guys think?

 

[Intenceman]

Way to much, what if the guy is prone to sid3e effects?
Nelson is right on on this one.

MY first THREE cycles were 200 mg of cyp a week- legally prescibed- for 10 weeks. I put over 100 lbs on my Incline press during that period (My Squat was already 600 from years of naturl ltraining, so it didnt go up as much), and my arms hit 20" pumped- up form 18 1/2. Start smaller and be safer.

 

[madmatt]

MY first THREE cycles were 200 mg of cyp a week- legally prescibed- for 10 weeks. I put over 100 lbs on my Incline press during that period (My Squat was already 600 from years of naturl ltraining, so it didnt go up as much), and my arms hit 20" pumped- up form 18 1/2. Start smaller and be safer.

So, with 400mg of cyp and 300mg of deca weekly. I should blow the fuck up!

 

[manny78]

for a first cycle I would stick with only compound.

So I would go with either: deca 200-300 mg week or sustanon 250-500 mg week...