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javaguru
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It's an interesting idea that a declaration of war, or military intervention, should be taken from congress and given to the people. After all, congress has been asleep at the wheel since WWII. I believe in a representative republic for day to day governance but giving the power to wage war to the people because they will pay and die for it might be a good idea.
So what you are saying is the marines built their house on a rock and the army built theirs on sand?
I will embrace you too bro, after I put about 10 FMJ's up your a-hole... Then Jesus will really love you!
javaguru
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Typical, why the hell do you think everything is about you? I'm obviously poking fun at nefertitties...
If you want a challenge, name a war where the marines bore the brunt of the fighting and back it up with orders of battle....
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EarthRider
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you two are acting like lil bitches, just sayin
No, I don't think everything is about me, but you have this strange obsession with me because you are always throwing my name out there.
The Army should carry the load in every war because they have a million more people than the core. However, they didn't carry the load because history says they didn't.
WWI: The Marines took the lead in America's entry in the war. THE BATTLE AT BELLEAU WOOD, the Germans were destroying the French in France. The Marines stepped in and kicked the German's ass, and saved Paris from falling. The turning point in the war.
WWII: The Battles of: Guadalcanal, Bougainville, Tarawa, Guam, Tinian, Saipan, Peleli, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa. The Marines won the Pacific by themselves. The Army does not get to claim Normandy because the British and Canadians had just as many units storm the beach. The Army doesn't get to claim Europe either because the Soviets took Berlin.
Korea: successful amphibious landing at Inchon, that broke the North Korean lines. Then the Chinese got involved near the Yalu River. The Marines crushed the Chinese, 35,000 Chinese casualties, 2,000 Marines casualties. The Marines never moved from the 38th parallel. Who knows where the Army was, obviously nowhere the real fighting.
Vietnam: Khe Sanh, the defining battle in the war. The Marines smashed the NVA, made them retreat.
TET: the Marines took the lead, but the Army did reinforce the core, I think one Army brigade was involved, but they didn't do much. The result of Tet, the VC was totally wiped out, thanks to the USMC. Also, the Marines took back Hue City another huge turning point in the war.
Desert Storm: The Battle of Fallujah, and the breeching of the "unpenetrable barrier," which won the war. Military historians say that might of have been the greatest military breeching in modern warfare. Which I would like to add I was part of that invaluable breeching. Thank you very much.
You cannot exaggerate about the Marines. They are convinced to the point of arrogance, that they are the most ferocious fighters on earth- and the amusing thing about it is that they are.
Father Kevin Keaney
1st Marine Division Chaplain
Korean War
javaguru
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You need to check the order of battle for every conflict you listed...
I'll take you apart point by point...
The French ceased to be an effective fighting force after Verdun and a battle doesn't necessarily win a war nor does a simplistic analysis of one operation....which was conducted by the 2nd and 3rd US Army ID. There were two marine battalions supporting the divisions in the second wave but they were slaughtered, cause they're assault troops and that's their job. The operational commander of the marines was Army General James G. Harbord ..yeah the marines were commanded by an Army General that was later made an honorary jarhead.
WWII, what can I say...the Europe first strategic plan sent the B team to the pacific; Actually, the Soviet Union won both theaters because the minute the Japanese saw the Soviets storming into Manchuria they surrendered right quick to avoid a Soviet invasion of Japan...Fire bombing, two nuclear bombs along with taking isolated garrison islands couldn't break the Japanese fighting spirit but the Japanese had tangled with Soviets and decided it was better to sign a peace treaty in 1941 than tangle with them again.
Guadalcanal..see 25th US Army Infantry Division history...
Bougainvillea...see 37th US Army Infantry Division history...
I neither have the time nor motivation to address the rest of the WWII campaigns you you listed but every significant land mass in the pacific required the A team to do the heavy lifting.
Incheon, sure that was an amphibious operation,by the 1st Marine Division and the 7th US Army Infantry Division and you neglected to mention the role of the 1st Cavalry Division. As far as the Yalu river is concerned...The US 8th Cav was the first American unit to be attacked by the Chinese and eventually the 8th Army was forced to retreat in the longest retreat in American military history. I'm not an ideologue, I endeavor to see the world as it truly is as opposed to persisting in delusion, no matter how comforting...That's some Carl Sagan.
Vietnam: Really? You bring up a war that was lost? I'll give credit to the Marines for the "strategic Hamlet" program because even though it was ultimately unsuccessful ..they borrowed it from the Army Green Berets.; They won the war in the central highlands.
Iraq...I think you're confusing Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom...A good friend of mine was an Army MP Captain that participated in the pacifying of fallujah..
What impenetrable barrier are you talking about? Sand berms and oil trenches...18th Airborne corps was hell on wheels breaching those 16th century obstacles thanks to our combat engineers in a matter of minutes.
I'll take you apart point by point...
The French ceased to be an effective fighting force after Verdun and a battle doesn't necessarily win a war nor does a simplistic analysis of one operation....which was conducted by the 2nd and 3rd US Army ID. There were two marine battalions supporting the divisions in the second wave but they were slaughtered, cause they're assault troops and that's their job. The operational commander of the marines was Army General James G. Harbord ..yeah the marines were commanded by an Army General that was later made an honorary jarhead.
WWII, what can I say...the Europe first strategic plan sent the B team to the pacific; Actually, the Soviet Union won both theaters because the minute the Japanese saw the Soviets storming into Manchuria they surrendered right quick to avoid a Soviet invasion of Japan...Fire bombing, two nuclear bombs along with taking isolated garrison islands couldn't break the Japanese fighting spirit but the Japanese had tangled with Soviets and decided it was better to sign a peace treaty in 1941 than tangle with them again.
Guadalcanal..see 25th US Army Infantry Division history...
Bougainvillea...see 37th US Army Infantry Division history...
I neither have the time nor motivation to address the rest of the WWII campaigns you you listed but every significant land mass in the pacific required the A team to do the heavy lifting.
Incheon, sure that was an amphibious operation,by the 1st Marine Division and the 7th US Army Infantry Division and you neglected to mention the role of the 1st Cavalry Division. As far as the Yalu river is concerned...The US 8th Cav was the first American unit to be attacked by the Chinese and eventually the 8th Army was forced to retreat in the longest retreat in American military history. I'm not an ideologue, I endeavor to see the world as it truly is as opposed to persisting in delusion, no matter how comforting...That's some Carl Sagan.
Vietnam: Really? You bring up a war that was lost? I'll give credit to the Marines for the "strategic Hamlet" program because even though it was ultimately unsuccessful ..they borrowed it from the Army Green Berets.; They won the war in the central highlands.
Iraq...I think you're confusing Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom...A good friend of mine was an Army MP Captain that participated in the pacifying of fallujah..
What impenetrable barrier are you talking about? Sand berms and oil trenches...18th Airborne corps was hell on wheels breaching those 16th century obstacles thanks to our combat engineers in a matter of minutes.
the other half was a combat engineer at fallujah..OIF I
eat a donkeys dick shitbag 
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