The US need a strong China

[eat big]

China is here to play no games.

1.3 billion people. That is a shitload of cheap labor. I think the US (as well as the rest of the world) already lost. We just don't want to realize it yet. It's just a few moves ahead (like in a good chess game)

Not only cheap labor but labor laws, environmental laws and other standards the US has instilled aren't and won't be in China. What's even funnier is we all trade with China because goods are so damned cheap. Double-edged sword. We can't stop feeding the monster either. It needs a twinkie like Klu.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Perhaps their evil plans can be thwarted by people wearing hats made of aluminum foil to keep the evil brainwaves out.

I do so love paranoid conspiracy people

You neo con fuck wads are the reason that thinking citizens have grown "paranoid" (aware) of our government.

Anybody who has studied this situation at all knows that nothing but pure evil is running the show in Washington.

Nothing but pure evil. Lies, fear, intimidation, lies, fear, intimidation. And thats sugar coating it.

More like 'Murder for Money Inc.'



Tin Foil Hats....................................Bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[redguru]

You neo con fuck wads are the reason that thinking citizens have grown "paranoid" (aware) of our government.

Anybody who has studied this situation at all knows that nothing but pure evil is running the show in Washington.

Nothing but pure evil. Lies, fear, intimidation, lies, fear, intimidation. And thats sugar coating it.

More like 'Murder for Money Inc.'



Tin Foil Hats....................................Bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[redguru]

MrPlunkey and others like him and I are not neo-cons, we are illuminati.

 

[mrplunkey]

You neo con fuck wads are the reason that thinking citizens have grown "paranoid" (aware) of our government.

Anybody who has studied this situation at all knows that nothing but pure evil is running the show in Washington.

Nothing but pure evil. Lies, fear, intimidation, lies, fear, intimidation. And thats sugar coating it.

More like 'Murder for Money Inc.'



Tin Foil Hats....................................Bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Angry liberal alert!

Take deep breaths... clutch your copy of the New Yorker... rock back and forth to the rthymic droning of Al Franken's talk show. This will pass....

Unless, of course... if the evil conservatives have already implanted a mind control chip in your brain that they are waiting to latently activate! If I were you, I wouldn't go to sleep just to make sure -- I bet they can only turn it on when you sleep.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't someone out to get you

 

[appss]

US need a strong China.

We export so much top notch quality products with reasonable price.

Save much money for yourselves.

And US export cotton and soya ...etc to China.

We buy BOEING plane............................

China need US.US need China. We will be friends .....

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

E85 is a joke. It's about as scalable and susatainable as... well it's not, it's a joke, and it's about as energy intensive to make as the energy you get out.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

China's need for fossil fuels is going to be hard on all of us .....

Yeah, and their power plants (coal) are going to push us over the edge to runaway global warming. While CNN isnt the most fair and balanced news, they spoke a good deal in the last week over the effects of chinese industry on the neighboring environments. YAY! All we need is a healthier chinese population to reproduce more and further take us over the planet's carrying capacity. Their growth cannot be continued at the level it's at. Not enough resources or buffer in the environment.

 

[mrplunkey]

E85 is a joke. It's about as scalable and susatainable as... well it's not, it's a joke, and it's about as energy intensive to make as the energy you get out.

I have no idea where you got your information from, but it must be very old. Ethanol currently has a net 34% energy gain in it's production. Improving corn yields and higher starch content corn varieties will push that upward even farther. We're also always moving heat around the dry mill plants more efficiently, so less and less natural gas is being used to generate heat.

And here's the *big* thing you are missing. The energy used in the process comes from the sun, so until the sun burns out we'll have a renewable energy source. It's also greenhouse gas neutral, since the plant absorbs roughly the same amount of CO2 as is produced by fermentation and the burning of the ethanol.

Ethanol is also a great oxygenator for gasoline. All the clean air hippies decided years ago that we needed cleaner-burning fuel so they drove the use of MTBE as an oxygenator. Well guess what? MTBE is a carcinogen -- and it gets better. It also has this nasty habit of showing-up in our ground water. So the environmentalists traded our clean water for clean air. Now we need to double our ethanol production from around 4.5B gallons a year to over 8B gallons just to keep from poisoning ourselves from our own clean-air additive.

It's totally unrealistic to think the American masses are going to trade their 300, 400 and even 500 hp vehicles for hybrid vehicles that struggle against every hill or headwind. Corn-based ethanol, combined with flexible-fuel vehicles give us the only viable migration path. Today it's gasoline oxygenated with ethanol. Soon it's E85 or gasoline being burned in a flexible fuel vehicle. Next we'll have dedicated E85 vehicles and begin seeing cellulose-based ethanol being manufactured. Then, between sugar and cellulose-based ethanol, we can take the next 15-25 years and migrate to an even better long-term solution.

Now I'm off to visit the plant in East Kansas. I'll drink a shot right out of the evaporation column just for you guys (it tastes like shit for drinking tho ><)!

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

34% for reduced fuel economy (less BTU/gallon)? I'm certainly not advocating using MTBE, we all know that's pretty nasty stuff.

The last info I read on peakoil.com you got the 34% positive EROEI only considering the liquid portion, not including the fertilizers used on the fields.

I think you're mistaken on it being hippies wanting the MTBE, I'm pretty sure govt officials aligned with companies who manufacture MTBE got it introduced.

The bottom line is ethanol is a piss poor attempt at a substitute for any sort of fossil fuel. The CO2 argument doesnt hold water (smokescreen) because it's not an efficient enough use of fuel and farmland to manufacture ethanol from corn, and the resulting CO2 emissions from the equipment used to make fertilizers, and tractors used for growing the corn.

Hybrids are even more of a joke. We've not got minerals to keep making big assed batteries for a ton of hybrids nor the minerals to make panels for fuel cells on a large scale for use of hydrogen (which is even stupider as a fuel for the same reasons)

The wafer left from pressing rapeseed and soybeans for oil for biodiesel type fuels can be used for fertilizer. It's a much better EROEI also.