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The true benefit of HGH?

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I posted this another thread but figured it might be bettter as a single topic. What exactly is the true benefit of HGH? Studies have shown that it has little effect on LBM. All I have ever noticed while on it was a leaning out effect, which can be accomplished through diet and supplements for a lot less money. I don't think the gains I made while on it were any more pronounced than they are when I'm on just a cycle. Then again, I haven't tried the Nutropin Depot yet or done HGH with slin.
 
Here's an example of a study with Serostim: (Granted the study was done on AIDS patients)

http://www.medibolics.com/GHMuscle2.htm

"Several studies of HIV(-) subjects indicate that growth hormone does not increase the portion of the lean body mass (LBM) that is known as muscle, even though growth hormone does increase "lean body mass". Note that LBM describes several compartments of tissue that include muscle, connective tissue, bone, organs, and water, too. These studies found that the increase in LBM with growth hormone in HIV(-) subjects consists of tissue other than muscle. Actually the increase in LBM appears to be mostly water, with perhaps a little connective tissue, and some organ tissue, too. (It should be underlined that organ tissue, like muscle tissue, wastes in HIV, and rebuilding of organ tissue by growth hormone could be an important effect that may improve overall health and survival.)"

Serono studied their serostim to combat the side effects Lipodystrophy in HIV population. A re-distribution of fat around the trunk area and upper back. Since then, HIV cocktails have gotten much better in keeping patients healther thus eliminating the waisting syndrome that is caused by AIDS. North Shore University Hospital, Manhassett NY. conducted a study in HIV + people, who were NOT advanced in there disease, a 16 week study of Serostim @ 18iu's p/d. They were looking to see if there were any lean muscle mass gained at 16 weeks. They did, a whole 3 lbs were gained on 18iu's p/d. No androgens at all were used. Just serostim. That is why is so readaly avalable on the street and nothing else is. Serono will never publish there findings because they know the cost of $1700 per kit, per week all for 3 lbs of lean mass will get them pulled of every medicade and ADAP formulary accross the country for AIDS patients.
 
Effect of exogenous growth hormone and exercise on lean mass and muscle function in children with burns.

Suman OE, Thomas SJ, Wilkins JP, Mlcak RP, Herndon DN.

Shriners Hospitals for Children, Galveston TX 77550, USA. [email protected]

We tested the hypothesis that the administration of recombinant human growth hormone (rHGH) and exercise would increase lean body mass (LBM) and muscle strength in burned children to a greater extent than rHGH or exercise separately. Children, ages 7-17 yr, with >40% body surface area burned, were randomized into groups. One group (GHEX, n = 10) participated in a 12-wk in-hospital physical rehabilitation program supplemented with an exercise program and received 0.05 mg. kg(-1). day(-1) of rHGH. A second exercising group (SALEX, n = 13) received saline. A third group (GH, n = 10) received a similar dose of rHGH as GHEX and participated in a 12-wk, home-based physical rehabilitation program without exercise. The fourth group (Saline, n = 11) received saline and participated in a 12-wk, home-based physical rehabilitation program without exercise. The mean (+/-SE) percent change in lean body mass after 12 wk was not significantly different between GHEX (9.0 +/- 2.1%), SALEX (5.4 +/- 1.6%), and GH (5.8 +/- 1.8%) groups (P = 0.33). However, the mean percent change in muscle strength was significantly greater in the GHEX (36.2 +/- 5.4%) and SALEX (42.6 +/- 10.0%) groups than in the GH (-7.4 +/- 4.7%) or Saline (6.7 +/- 4.4%) groups (P = 0.008). In summary, rHGH GHEX, SALEX, and GH alone produced similar improvements in LBM. However, muscle strength was only increased via exercise.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Randomized Controlled Trial

PMID: 12588788 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
This shows GH reduces bodyfat, which was my previous point.

Short-term growth hormone treatment in girls with Turner syndrome decreases fat mass and insulin sensitivity: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, crossover study.

Gravholt CH, Naeraa RW, Brixen K, Kastrup KW, Mosekilde L, Jorgensen JO, Christiansen JS.

Medical Department M (Endocrinology and Diabetes) and Medical Research Laboratories, Aarhus Kommunehospital, Aarhus University Hospital, Aarhus, Denmark. [email protected]

BACKGROUND: Most girls with Turner syndrome (TS) receive growth hormone (GH) treatment during childhood and adolescence, but controlled data on the effects on body composition and glucose metabolism are lacking. OBJECTIVE: To study the effects of GH treatment on insulin sensitivity, glucose metabolism, bone turnover, and body composition. METHODS: A randomized, placebo-controlled, crossover study was conducted with girls with TS. All girls with TS were treated with GH 0.1 IU/kg/d subcutaneously at bedtime or with placebo for 2 months and studied at the end of each period. Control subjects were studied once without treatment. Twelve girls with TS, aged 9.5 to 14.8 years (median: 12.9 years) and 16 age-matched control subjects (10.3-16.0 years; median: 12.1 years) were studied. Twenty-four-hour sampling of blood was performed; GH, insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I), IGF binding proteins (IGFBPs), insulin, glucose, and lipolytic and gluconeogenic precursors were assayed, followed by an oral glucose tolerance test. Body composition was evaluated by dual-energy x-ray absorptiometry scanning and body mass index (BMI). Fasting bone markers were measured. RESULTS: Height was reduced in TS as compared with control subjects. In the placebo situation, 24-hour integrated GH as well as IGF-I was significantly reduced in girls with TS compared with control subjects. Controlling for differences in lean body mass (LBM; or fat mass [FM]) and sexual development did not explain the difference in 24-hour integrated GH. Differences in sexual development, BMI, FM, insulin sensitivity, and IGFBP-3 could explain the difference in IGF-I between TS and control subjects. Carbohydrate metabolism in TS was comparable with control subjects. GH treatment induced insulin resistance, with increments in fasting glucose and insulin, as well as 24-hour insulin. Circulating levels of lipid and gluconeogenic substrates were comparable in TS and control subjects and unchanged in response to treatment. Bone markers increased in response to GH. Total FM was increased in girls with TS, accounted for by an increased FM in the arms and trunk, whereas LBM was decreased. Especially LBM in the legs was decreased. Overall, bone mineral content was diminished. Treatment with GH reduced FM in TS, especially in the arms and legs, and likewise increased total LBM, primarily in the trunk. CONCLUSION: This study documented evidence of impaired GH secretion and action, disproportionate body composition, but a normal carbohydrate metabolism in girls with TS. Short-term GH administration was associated with favorable changes in body composition but also with relative impairment of glucose tolerance and insulin sensitivity. We recommend that glucose metabolism be monitored carefully during long-term GH treatment in these patients.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Randomized Controlled Trial

PMID: 12415026 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
I am going to give it a try but Im old and looking for the fountain of youth. Im hoping to improve my sleep and change my skin tone. How did you run it and did you notice any improvements worth mentioning.
 
Laser0001 said:
I am going to give it a try but Im old and looking for the fountain of youth. Im hoping to improve my sleep and change my skin tone. How did you run it and did you notice any improvements worth mentioning.

I'm 30 years old and I've run GH from my mid 20's on. Sleep was improved, stamina, skin tone, etc. but I didn't notice a pronounced change in LBM but did notice a decrease in FT. I've run it on cycles and by itself. When I ran it by itself all I noticed was a leaning out effect.
 
Exuse me for my ignorance but I thought I read in the Rick Collins interview that is was not a scheduled drug. Does that mean you could by it like other script drugs?
 
Yes and No. You do need to see a Doc to get a script but it would be MUCH more expensive to buy it that way than it is on the black market unless you can get your insurance carrier to pick up the tab. That would hard to do unless you have HIV.
 
I have an appointment at 10.00 tomorrow with a Doc and by the look of the clientele that I have seen in his office Im a bit nervous on the cost.
 
GH: The most overrated drug on the market.

Everything about GH has been exagerated except for the negitive side effects.
 
Laser0001 said:
What was your experience with it Nelson?

I would think Nelson would be an advocate since he's an old man with low IFG-1 levels. :D
 
I am a 56 yr old man and been using gh for 10 yrs.I have good energy and dont look 56 acording to most peopel I meet. I have been buying from bestbuyhgh.com and am very happy with gh and wouldn't do without it.
 
Hey, if GH was all it was cracked up to be, I'd be on board. I can get it at a good price. (No, don't even bother asking). But besides the fact that it didn't do much in terms of muscle or at loss and that it had a bad effect on my blood sugar levels, Gh is unique in the fact that it is the SECRETION of the hormone that actually imparts much of its benifits. This is why resistance exercise and deep sleep are so vital to maintaining "youthfulness." Not to mention (and so many people do) GH is directly related to the prolifration of cancer cells. Of course, when you're 25 that means nothing. You just assume that concerns people who already have a propensity toward it and no one ever thinks it'll happen to them.

200 bucks a month for minimal effects, carpel tunnel, hypoglycemia and the risk of cancer? Fuck that.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Hey, if GH was all it was cracked up to be, I'd be on board. I can get it at a good price. (No, don't even bother asking). But besides the fact that it didn't do much in terms of muscle or at loss and that it had a bad effect on my blood sugar levels, Gh is unique in the fact that it is the SECRETION of the hormone that actually imparts much of its benifits. This is why resistance exercise and deep sleep are so vital to maintaining "youthfulness." Not to mention (and so many people do) GH is directly related to the prolifration of cancer cells. Of course, when you're 25 that means nothing. You just assume that concerns people who already have a propensity toward it and no one ever thinks it'll happen to them.

200 bucks a month for minimal effects, carpel tunnel, hypoglycemia and the risk of cancer? Fuck that.

Nice Nelson.
 
Is there a study showing exogenous rHGH directly causing cancer? If so, I would like to read it. I do understand that it hastens the spread of cancer. To expound on this further, HGH effects are primarily mediated through increased endogenous IGF-1, and since IGF-1 causes hyperplasia; if cancer cells are present would act as a cancer cell "fertilizer". This would be bad, but if cancer cells are not present, the hope is that IGF-1 would cause muscle cell hyperplasia. This is primarily why bodybuilders take rHGH and more recently exogenous IGF-1.
 
I have been on GH for 9 months (Jino. at 4 to 6ius) now and I am not that impressed-not enough to continue or try it again. I have experienced better skin tone, leaning out, and a better attitude, but nothing extrodinary.
The reason I tried it is its ability to increase muscle fiber, but for that to happen I have read it takes over 8 months and at that length of time the sides would not be worth it-even though I have not experienced any noticable sides like carpel tunnel, hypoglycemia, but that is not to say I have not stimulated any cancer cells, which makes me nervous as hell to read about.
As Nelson states: its the most over rated drug on the market-I agree, but I wanted to try it for myself and now that I have my opinion is well stated above.
 
Anti-GH over here. One year + Sht load of money + Consistently trying to change things up thinking it was my fault + Annoying SUBQ injects = Babysoft skin and better nights of sleep. THATS IT!!!!...But to each there zone, some people claim they can't do a cycle without it.
 
From everything I have read clinical journals etc.....There is no evidence that HGH increases one’s risk of developing cancer. (taken in low dosages) As a matter of fact....it may even help your body combat against it.

Some studies show HGH can inhibit the growth of breast cancer cells.
It also acts as a T-cell growth factor and of course(T lymphocytes can kill tumor and other diseased cells)

p.s. I'm a microbiologist :)
 
I think it is over-hyped as a muscle builder, but I think GH is better suited for strenghing connective tissue, tendons, cartilage, bone, collagen, endurance, and helping with fatloss and keeping lean. I think these are important things. But many of these changes are not easily seen. Supposedly there is at least a subtle link between higher IGF-1 levels and cancer. There is also a link between insulin and IGF-1 levels and lifespan. Under calorie restricted diet lifespan is increased. Under calorie restriction insulin and IGF-1 levels are low.
 
Hey JA.. here i am :)

ok.. it is IMHO that gh is one of the most MIS-understood hormones to date! I think the major misconception comes from the simple fact that it is called "growth" hormone. lol
It is misconceived that gh will cause major hypertrophy and make ya like a pro lol.. that is a misconception for sure!

what gh will do: it will repair connective tissue damage. It will aid in injury recovery and healing. This has been seen over and over again by gh patients as well as my own personal usage!
I had knee problems, NO more.. a rotator problem.. NO more.

it is also IMO that once you have reached your "genetic" potential, if you supplement with gh, it will push you beyond that potential when COMBINED with an aas.. alone it will not break many barriers, but the potential is there... the key is of course IGF-1 and exogenouse gh will stimulate IGF-1 production hence causing growth... then remember IGF-1 is a double edged sword.. it will cause growth but also an onslaught of sides..

GH is by far the most theraputic agent to date as far as healing, recovery and rejuvination purposes!

GH alone will heal, recover, help with fat loss and vascularity, aid in better sleep and healing and will help ya grow a bit, but not what it is cracked up to be.. HOWEVER when combined with an aas, there is a much better chance for hypertrophy...

and NorthP.. everything i know and have read show that GH stimulates IGF-1 which unfortunetly can cause the proliferation of cancer cells... IGF-1 is the culprit..

http://www.cancerindex.org/geneweb/IGF1.htm
 
Super Girl I Totally agree with most of what you said, hence the Karma. :)
The Key to my statement is CAUSE or "increases one’s risk of developing cancer"...it may or may not proliferate cancer cells already present in your body(they still don't know)...but it is NOT at this time thought to be Carcinogenic.
 
Supergirl,you hit on my question exactly. I have had a couple knee scopes and my knees are a bit of a problem area for me to keep going at a good pace. Hell,earlier this year i had a tough time running(though i could still squat). I had mri's,2 scopes,and still problems with one knee. Mainly just weakness of the knee joint in general. Example being i can squat 520 or so,but can't do a leg extension with 20 pounds without quite a bit of pain. If the surgeons can't do anything to help(and they were surgeons that work on the oklahoma university wrestling and football team),is it possible growth hormone won't stabilize the area a bit? I'm not asking for a wonder pill,just hoping that gh can help my joint strength/stability.

p.s.-if this is a possible carcinogen,it would still be a tough choice. Increase the risk of cancer 30 years down the line,or have pain even walking quickly for the next 30 years.
 
So might a low dose/somewhat short run of GH be the "joint healer" that Deca is thought of?? Without the limp johnson of course???
 
supergirl said:
Hey JA.. here i am :)

ok.. it is IMHO that gh is one of the most MIS-understood hormones to date! I think the major misconception comes from the simple fact that it is called "growth" hormone. lol
It is misconceived that gh will cause major hypertrophy and make ya like a pro lol.. that is a misconception for sure!

what gh will do: it will repair connective tissue damage. It will aid in injury recovery and healing. This has been seen over and over again by gh patients as well as my own personal usage!
I had knee problems, NO more.. a rotator problem.. NO more.

it is also IMO that once you have reached your "genetic" potential, if you supplement with gh, it will push you beyond that potential when COMBINED with an aas.. alone it will not break many barriers, but the potential is there... the key is of course IGF-1 and exogenouse gh will stimulate IGF-1 production hence causing growth... then remember IGF-1 is a double edged sword.. it will cause growth but also an onslaught of sides..

GH is by far the most theraputic agent to date as far as healing, recovery and rejuvination purposes!

GH alone will heal, recover, help with fat loss and vascularity, aid in better sleep and healing and will help ya grow a bit, but not what it is cracked up to be.. HOWEVER when combined with an aas, there is a much better chance for hypertrophy...

and NorthP.. everything i know and have read show that GH stimulates IGF-1 which unfortunetly can cause the proliferation of cancer cells... IGF-1 is the culprit..

http://www.cancerindex.org/geneweb/IGF1.htm

How about some karma for one of best looking woman to ever post of EF. :) :p She's a hottie guys.
 
devildog93 said:
If the surgeons can't do anything to help(and they were surgeons that work on the oklahoma university wrestling and football team),is it possible growth hormone won't stabilize the area a bit? I'm not asking for a wonder pill,just hoping that gh can help my joint strength/stability.

p.s.-if this is a possible carcinogen,it would still be a tough choice. Increase the risk of cancer 30 years down the line,or have pain even walking quickly for the next 30 years.

Hey ya little devil :) man you got some bad knees huh!! Mine were not as bad, but my patella sits croked.. I had a ski injury with some water on the other knee, but it was NEVER the same.
My rotator is another story.. i am double jointed and my joints tend to lock (elbow, knuckles and shoulders) and 13+ years of gymnastics doesn't help... I mean it got to the point where i would sit and watch a movie and 1/2 way through my knees were aching!!!
I got on GH about 2 yrs ago.. ran it for a good 6 months with anavar. My knee are GREAT!! except when it rains lol.. and my rotator does not lock out like it used to nor do my elbows.. my knuckles still do, but i crack them everyday lol..

so does it work theraputically!! HELL yea it does!! Does it repair connective tissue damage and heal wounds/injuries.. YES it most certainly does!!

Now as per the cancer topic.. NorthP.. i concur sweetie!! Good to have you aboard btw!!!

also devil.. as stated, you either have cancer cells or you don't.. they can lay dormant and never grow or they can grow out of control.. IGF-1 has been linked to the stimulation of cancer cells.. but GH therapy at LOW DOSES (>5IUS ED) will give you great results without too many sides.. it is when gh is abused or used at large doses that promotes possible cancer growth... BUT from what i know, low doses are just fine!!!

I did 2ius ED for 6 months. NO carpel or bad sides.. so that to me would therefore mean that my IGF-1 levels were maintained or slightly elevated, but NOT drastically.. hence the minimal sides!!!

Hope that helps answer your questions :)

HEY JA.. MUAH xoxoxoxo
 
supergirl said:
HEY JA.. MUAH xoxoxoxo

I'm still three down for the on the pool. I working overtime to bump my rating up but others feels you gice them far more love than me. They think they have the best shot at taking the prize. We'll see. Little do they know I have a little trick up sleeve when I go to NJ.
 
Thanks,that helps a ton. Looking at the GH info on the boards, i may try and go 4 iu ed for 2-3 months and see how that goes. If what you say is true i wonder why sports medicine hasn't caught fire to it and used it in conjunction with recovery from minor surgeries like knees and such. I know i would sure as hell go to the doc every day for a shot and checkup if it was part of a rehab program. The bad thing about the doctors is that it seems they are satisfied if you can just walk. They really could care less that you want to get back to being "active" if you're not a paid professional. At least that's the perception i get from the ones in this area.
 
jasonstrong said:


And you dose before sleepy time too? I think...right?
yes darlin i do :) but my goals are theraputic purposes and fat loss..
If you are using gh and slin, your dosage times would be better off 1st thing in the morning and mid afternoon.. GOD forbid you go hypo in your sleep lol..

hey Devil.. some sports doctors are actually staring to explore the validation of gh in therapy.. that is how i initially got turned on to it.. Life extension institutes have been employing gh for years!!!
It is slowing working its way into the mainstream..
Hell even celebrities have jumped on the gh "fountain of youth" lol
 
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