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Lately I've changed my plan after seeing the results that I got from Ron Coleman's suggested chest plan in a Flex from a few months ago. I've known of these methods for some time (supersets, pyramiding, and higher reps) but I never packed on the weight when doing 'em in thoughts that I'd get more of the desired results out of it with lower weight. Well, this was a bad misconception as I now know the benefits of higher reps with more weight. I'll use my biceps as an example. Before I began this I couldn't identify the two heads anywhere, now they are apparent at the bottom and in the middle of the peak which is not something I see in most builders today. Basically my strength has shot up, my aesthetics have become more apparent, and I'm continuing to grow at a good pace. I'm just shocked that I've been able to spawn aesthetics while bulking, without roids, (I'm only 17 so no Juice for now). I never really believed in the "higher reps, less weight, get you cuts" philosohy, and now I know why it was bull to an extent. It's higer reps more weight, more BALLS!! And if you happen to decide to follow this, please don't come back on here bitching about how you're sore form it! EAT more, and you might be able to reverse the catabolsim that's hampering you.
 
check out ronnie colemans video. he is not exactly spawning aesthetics, though does resemble spawn. throw out the flex mag and read the posts/tarining info from the very knowlegeable folks on this board. you will be better off in the long run.
 
I`m very generous, but I will not give you karma. Not today.
 
Iron_Apprentice said:
Lately I've changed my plan after seeing the results that I got from Ron Coleman's suggested chest plan in a Flex from a few months ago. I've known of these methods for some time (supersets, pyramiding, and higher reps) but I never packed on the weight when doing 'em in thoughts that I'd get more of the desired results out of it with lower weight. Well, this was a bad misconception as I now know the benefits of higher reps with more weight. I'll use my biceps as an example. Before I began this I couldn't identify the two heads anywhere, now they are apparent at the bottom and in the middle of the peak which is not something I see in most builders today. Basically my strength has shot up, my aesthetics have become more apparent, and I'm continuing to grow at a good pace. I'm just shocked that I've been able to spawn aesthetics while bulking, without roids, (I'm only 17 so no Juice for now). I never really believed in the "higher reps, less weight, get you cuts" philosohy, and now I know why it was bull to an extent. It's higer reps more weight, more BALLS!! And if you happen to decide to follow this, please don't come back on here bitching about how you're sore form it! EAT more, and you might be able to reverse the catabolsim that's hampering you.
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Welcome to the forum.

Please look up "Swaining" and it's effects on training. Good stuff.:)


Joker
 
Wow, I knew I sounded pretty boring in the first place, but I didn't think it was this bad! The point I was getting across is that when I read mostly anything dealing with training lately, the rep counts shy to go beyond 12. Yes you will build muscle by pulling and pushing weight, but will it appear good in the long run? I mean you can have all the 20+ inch bi's in the world, but if they look like Markus Ruhl's you're s.o.l. compared to a guy with good aesthetics. I'm not telling anyone how to train, but I don't see that at all anymore. All the people with shitty aesthetics want to blame it on 'genetics', well sorry but that only works till you think about how you you went about your training from day one. Most people will have ego problems in the gym, and throw as much weight as they can on a bar and attempt to heave the thing up with the shittiest form possible. Look at Ronnie, if you say he's not exactly "spawning" ( someone flunked english) aesthetics, then you happen to be quiet wrong compared to the eye of all the IFBB judges and the whole Weider organization, but thats alright. As far as Flex goes I read what I think happens to be from people who look alot better than anyone who wants to talk shit about it! What I Dead? I've never done it for a max. I couldn't care less if there's a girl who deads more or benches more, good for her! I judge progress on what I look like. Not what I happen to be repping on any given lift, or what the 28 year old dude in the corner happens to be pounding. The point is I just realized that I began to have phenominal gains and my aesthetics or shape to all of the genious's here, began to really come to play. Laugh as long as you please, I'm perfectly okay with it, I'd rather have you laugh and stay ignorant, than prosper from my view.
 
I was once 17 and thought that I knew everything.

I also was once 23 and a member of Elite...and thought that I knew everything.

I didn't know everything...and at nearly 26 and a Pro...I still don't know much. I'm learning though...

Just a thought...

B True
 
You can't "sculpt" or "shape" your muscles, but you can make them bigger. Genetics will determine what they look like. What is your height, weight, and BF%?
 
The difference between a powerlifter and a bodybuilder is diet. If all powerlifters walked around at 6% bodyfat, would you be able to distinguish whether they were powerlifters or bodybuilders?
 
You may not be able to sculpt or shape 'em, but the lifting you do does have an immense effect on how they appear. And if this is bullshit to you, compare a power lifter and a bodybuilder, natural or juiced. The type of lifting changes the appearance of the muscle. I'm 5'11'' 195 17%. Thats not great but it's a good start if you ask me. My bf would be lower if I wasn't bulking. And in no way shape or form did I say that I looked better than someone else, was stronger than someone else or whatever you want to try and make me look dumb about. If there's a guy that's 5'11 275 with an 8% bf, he may train the opposite way I do, and grow just as well, but that doesn't mean that I'm gonna do what he does cause it worked for him.
 
i did not intend to break your balls. ronnie coleman is a genetic freak who has been training for more than fifteen years. he was d1 college football player and powerlifted for a while. ronnie weighs in excess of 300 pounds off season and can deadlift 800 pds. this may have something to do with his insane musculature. there have been powerlifters lighter than him that can approach or surpass that number, so its true, maximal size and strength dont necessarily correlate. in addition, despite what weider would have you believe, he supplements his 7000 calories a day with more than anabolic mega packs and creatine. if what you are doing now is working, by all means keep it up. best of luck to you!! btw, while i certainly dont compose like gore vidal, i didnt flunk english.
 
hang aroud this board very long and all those flex mags will have dust on em. i promise;) (i have a crapload of mags that are all in my closet now)
 
Defintely sinjin, I hear you all the way Ron Coleman has plenty of extra help running through his veins. The english part wasn't intended to be as dick as it came off. But as far as genetics go, you can't exaclty determine whether you'll build a perfectly symmetrical chest or if your vastus medialis are gonna reflect Platzs', but you can do something about not screwing up what you already have by pounding out session after session of the most weight you can pick up for three reps at a time.
 
Man I'm sorry but I don't know how to word this nicely, with your stats you don't even sound like you train at all. You may think you have all the answers, but you have a lot to learn.

Rep range will have NO EFFECT on how your muscles appear, they might be bigger or smaller in comparison, but that's IT.
 
What were your stats when you were 17 with a year and a half of training under your belt? I started at 165 with an 18% bf, 39'' chest, 12" 7/8 bi's, 36'' waist... Now I'm at 42.5'' chest 15'' bi's and a 35'' waist. Just wondering. And if you could explain why rep range has no effect on how your muscles appear that would be nice of you. Thanks. And when did I say I have all the answers?
My chest/tri routine-
Flat bench
warm up 20x bare bar and 6x weight of first set
135x12*( I have a weak chest)
140x10*
145x8*
(* super set with cable crossovers each set)
Incline bench
95x10
105x8
120x6
Lying French Presses
55x14 or failure
60x12 or ''
65x10 or ''
Alternating cables (21's)
40x 3of 7
60x 3of 7
40x 3of 7
Cable pushdowns
70x failure
60x ''
50x ''

It's some light weight for anyone that has been lifting any time at all, but I started out with a weak chest. I couldn't max more than 115 and now I'm at 190. So wether or not it measures up with everyone else isn't my concern it's how much I've progressed.
 
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Wow! I'm done with this board. I had a stint earlier in the year, but I can't stand all the testosterone going around, I have enough of my own. So if you were cool thanks, but I really don't want to deal with assholes like Debaser anymore. Stats can indicate a lot about a physique, and mouths can indicate a lot about self esteem!!! So while you continue to "pop" in Kansas City I'll be pumping Iron and continuing to encourage people. See your ass on the stage in ten!!!
 
Iron_Apprentice said:
Wow! I'm done with this board. I had a stint earlier in the year, but I can't stand all the testosterone going around, I have enough of my own. So if you were cool thanks, but I really don't want to deal with assholes like Debaser anymore. Stats can indicate a lot about a physique, and mouths can indicate a lot about self esteem!!! So while you continue to "pop" in Kansas City I'll be pumping Iron and continuing to encourage people. See your ass on the stage in ten!!!
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For starters i dont like the tone of the first post you made.

You are saying unfounded muscle magazine mantra. "up the weight dude" "hit that peak" type shit.

A lot of the memebers on this board are athletes, highly trained, highly educated. Many come for help. and many will give help.

Please feel free to stay......tone down your testosterone fueled recycled fantasy information and we can all get along.

I by no means represent the board, or a collection of people.

If you have a serious point to make with this post......please do so.

and do some research. This powerlifting Vs bodybuilding crap has gone on to long.

No one has ever boasted thier numbers...and everyone helps no matter if you can bench 20lbs or 600lbs

its the nicest board i have come accross......i think you are the one with the bad attitude and fueled by test.
just my 1 cent
 
spatts said:
Heheheh....oh this is gonna be good.
Think he could outlift the girls, bg? ;)
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And who's Ron Coleman? Is it that ebonics speaking bodybuilder? ;) Definately got some size on him, but that's about all he has going for him.
 
Ok, first of bro, toss out the Flex magazines. The training and diet info is bullshit. Please don't imply that you train harder than some of us bro, I've passed out a couple times right after a set. There are alot of guys, and gals, on this forum that 99% of the people who workout religously couldn't keep up with. Take a full minute rest between weighed dips or 500 ibs squats? You're out of shape if the answer is yes.

Second, aesthetics, once bodyfat is low, is basicly genetic. Your training might affect the proportions of one muscle group to another due to a training imbalance, but shape is genetic.

Third, stop bulking and get your ass on a diet. If your 17% you shouldn't be bulking, if you plan on being a bodybuilder. There is no excuss for eating that bad. When we bulk up like that, we are kidding ourselves and showing lack of discipline by thinking we are actually gaining muscle faster. Show the same level of discipline at the table that you have in the weight room. Not everyone can be a bodybuilder both in the gym as well as outside of the gym.

Fourth, how much you lift is important. Playing with light weights will not produce the quality or density that you are seeking. The guys who usually use the line "I don't care how much I lift, I just care what I look like" usually look like shit are in total denial. While I only care about how I look, not what I lift, I understanding that training heavy will affect how I look.

That being said, welcome to the training board bro. This is where the truely hardcore on the board converse. Stick around and learn.
 
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Kudo's on training and improving yourself, watch what you say to people in regards to how they should train as it can come accross very conceited, arrogant and foolish. But stick with the training, don't let anything put you off and just learn as much as possible, try some other sources of information also.
 
Damn. Came in here to teach us a thing or two without knowing shit about how we train, realized we know more, train better, train harder, and left. I say he's someone's alter.

Testosterone, my ass. You came in here acting like a know it all, never taking in to account that you were talking to strongman pros, powerlifting pros, NFL potentials, people with genetics degrees, ex phys degrees, etc... Assuming you are for real, you really should spend some time in a forum before you attempt to "set people straight." You came in here to correct us on shit we've known for years.

And btw, when I was 17, I was a sophmore in college. 5'9" 145 pounds, 26" quads, 24" waist, a 26 second 200m, a 2min, 8 sec 800m, leg pressed around 800 for around reps, and sported an 8 pack. I'm now 5'9" 200 pounds 18-19% fat, squat around 380-400, bench 200 raw/320 shirted, and deadlift around 450-500. I have 49" shoulders, and am 38-28-42 (back not out) everywhere else.

If that's not good enough, go look at bigguns' numbers...she's just as strong and weighs 40-50 pounds less than me! When you can start out training/lifting the girls, you can come talk shit to the men.

NUFF SAID!

BTW, you agreed in the terms of service that you were over 18. Since you are about 10 years younger than a lot of the people here, I think you better stop talking about your age or you're going to wind up banned.
 
Iron_Apprentice said:
. Not what I happen to be repping on any given lift, or what the 28 year old dude in the corner happens to be pounding.
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Ummm, pounding?? What kind of gym are you lifting in?? For god sakes stay away from the 28 year old pounding in the corner.


Lift heavy, sleep and eat.
 
spatts said:
When you can start out training/lifting the girls, you can come talk s**t to the men.
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Can I still contribute to EF even though both you and bigguns can out squat me by about 200lbs? :)
...chad...
 
Spatts well said. Anywho, after a year and a half of training he is 165 at 18% bf. Damn. He needs to hang around here and get some advice. I competed in my first show one year after starting at 5'9" 172 and 4% (was told I needed to come in alot dryer, about 8-10 ibs lighter oh well). Was benching 315 for a couple of reps. Not trying to brag, but I am trying to point out that your first year should be your most productive.
 
Iron_Apprentice said:
I couldn't care less if there's a girl who deads more or benches more, good for her! I judge progress on what I look like.
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Not only are they stronger, but I can assure you that they are much better looking. :lmao:
 
You have a lot to learn; a lot of growing to do, both mentally and physically.

I'm going to close this thread, because it's pointless. If you want to continue to post in this forum, please mind your Ps & Qs, because at 17 years old, you're not supposed to be here anyway.

I vote alter, because no one new is ever this out of line.
 
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