the seious body fat shredder cycle?

[Razorguns]

just take thermo and drink milk all day for 2 months (plus the occassional salad or steak). You'll drop tons of weight trust me.

 

[borg4902]

just take thermo and drink milk all day for 2 months (plus the occassional salad or steak). You'll drop tons of weight trust me.

Man I hope that was a joke.

 

[showmeyourtints]

you know what, most of you guys are just plain assholes...you dont kow me or my regimen, yet you say im lazy and fat and blah blah blah....so, if you cant help me , dont post anything, if you dont know my training routine, dont call me lazy....i didnt post this question to get talked to like i was some jerk-off that doesnt want to work to get lean...ive been on my diet, and im noticing progress...i.e. top abs finally showing, new veins in arms...all i wanted to know was...just forget it...you all answered it...now i know that most of you guys are just plain assholes

 

[will b huge]

you know what, most of you guys are just plain assholes...you dont kow me or my regimen, yet you say im lazy and fat and blah blah blah....so, if you cant help me , dont post anything, if you dont know my training routine, dont call me lazy....i didnt post this question to get talked to like i was some jerk-off that doesnt want to work to get lean...ive been on my diet, and im noticing progress...i.e. top abs finally showing, new veins in arms...all i wanted to know was...just forget it...you all answered it...now i know that most of you guys are just plain assholes

You know what bro, to some extent you are Right and I agree with you....PLEASE SEE THIS THREAD --- where I posted like the 10th one down (my longer post)!!!!!


http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=414433


You are honestly correct and personally think you shouldn't have been treated like that and thats why I posted this thread.....I dont care who flames me or what.....

 

[cougar8]

1500 calls a day...and you weigh 223? damn man i know your starvin...so show us a typical day...

LOL! I agree! I'm around 240 now and I can't handle it when I only eat about 2500 cals. I have to have at least 3K.

 

[cougar8]

cardio+diet=abs and veins.....NOT ASS

LOL!!! K to you!!!

 

[cougar8]

you're 100% correct here... if you're gonna cheat why not cheat all the way? I say double all of the doses in your first post... or fuck... why not triple them??? that way you'll get the same results in a third of the time with less effort!

A few things..

1.) High School in America is not difficult so there is no reason to cheat unless you are stupid or lazy.

2.) If you approach AAS with the attitude you have now you are going to either hurt yourself or waste money which is probably what will happen mostly.

3.) If you come here for advice take it. Don't argue with proven methods and facts about diet. These bros on here are educated and well experienced so listen to them.

Sorry about going off guys!

 

[lrg&inCHARGE]

you know what, most of you guys are just plain assholes...you dont kow me or my regimen, yet you say im lazy and fat and blah blah blah....so, if you cant help me , dont post anything, if you dont know my training routine, dont call me lazy....i didnt post this question to get talked to like i was some jerk-off that doesnt want to work to get lean...ive been on my diet, and im noticing progress...i.e. top abs finally showing, new veins in arms...all i wanted to know was...just forget it...you all answered it...now i know that most of you guys are just plain assholes

I'm in the same boat as you pretty much. I trained hard for aobut 3 years, got good results, then slacked off for about a year and a half. I did alot of traveling and partying and pretty much didn't even glance at a weight. I haven't juiced in 4 years and i did about a months worth of research before I decided on what I wanted to do, diet, gear, training etc. I've been back at the gym for the last few months got on a Gh at 3IU's/day sust 500mg/week, winstrol 50mg's/day and soon t3's for about 5 weeks. My diet is 11 x bodyweight = calories/day all carbs are complex, high protein, fat intake is all from salmon, omega3,6,9 pills, olive oil (cookin). I do cardio at 5x a week AM empty stomach. Weight training 6 x a week, high reps, medium weights. I'm on my 3rd month of training/dieting and on my first month of gear and my progress is crazy. If you have the dedication to your diet and training, the gear will just add on to it 10 fold.

Don't even listen to the bullshit posts, there are people out there that weigh in a buck thirty wet and would murder for twenty pounds. Train hard, eat right, and do proper research before you start any gear and you'll be happy with your results...


....and read posts from guys like will b huge, ulter, mods cuz they're the ones who actually give u good info and answers to questions you have.

 

[brahma_bull]

Good post Black......

Yes absolutely---Omega 3's....salmon, flax seed, etc......high protein, lower carb and complex carbs at that too.......

Here let me get you info on CLEN:

This is the updated version found on www.anabolicextreme.com Back issue 70

What is Clenbuterol?

Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator
for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not
FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts
like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants
like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35
hours and not 48 hours.

Dosing and Cycling

Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump
and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some areas. Doses are
very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere
in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets a day for women is
most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after around 8 weeks when
body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic/anti-catabolic properties
fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into
consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off
for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used in the off weeks.

Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP
raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels
about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it
because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic
benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine's short
half-life prevents it from being all that effective.

As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some
would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on
Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This
may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a
time.

Side effects

NAUSEA
NERVOUSNESS
DIZZINESS
DROWSINESS
DRY MOUTH
FACIAL FLUSHING
HEADACHE
HEARTBURN
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
INCREASED SWEATING
INSOMNIA
LIGHTHEADEDNESS
MUSCLE CRAMPS
TREMORS
VOMITING
CHEST PAIN

The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and
increased blood pressure.

Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming
bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets at 200-400mg a
day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams is a necessity in
minimizing cramps.

Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at the first
signs of a headache.

Common Uses

Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the
user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding
body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his
intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness,
vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant
fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of
bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g
per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be
used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle
hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA
stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To
take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates must be
included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in this case.

Precautions: Is Clen for you?

The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although
some people find ECA stacks are harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked
with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations
are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation
before a workout for an extra quick. burst of energy.

A word on Ketotifen

Ketotifen is safe antihistamine used extensively some European countries to
treat asthma and allergies. It can up regulate beta-2-receptors that Clen down
regulates. Basically, it allows users to extend their use of Clen for 6-8 weeks
at a time. 2-3mg a day is ideal, 10mg as found in "superclen" can make users
extremely drowsy. It also increases the effectiveness of Clen so doses must be
adjusted accordingly. The downfall of this drug is its ability to induce
extreme hunger is some people, which is not a desirable state to be in when
dieting.

Cycling Clenbuterol

Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use
high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within
the first 3-4 days of use.

A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase by one tab
until the side effects are not tolerable

Example of a first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
normal gradually)
Day14: 60 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Example of a second cycle:

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

What else do I need to know?

Taurine MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine
levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect and painful muscle
cramps. It's a must with Clen.

Clenbuterol should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere with
your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing cardio, it's
advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style routines.

Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons a day.

Awesome post will b huge, do you have any info on a clen/t3 cycle?

 

[GUESS]

protein shake in morning or isopure, doublemeat sandwich(no cheese/mayo) for lunch and some fruit, salad with chicken breast x2 for dinner, fat free low calorie dressing on salad, and p.s., my bodyfat was measured in a bodypod, not by calipers...everyone in my gym says that the machine is at least 5-7% off, i.e. their caliper measurements were always less. im not making excuses though, im just ready to see some abs and some friggin veins!!!

Well everything that was said to youis accurate about diet and cardio it has to be dead bang on or pretty close for you to effective in your wanting to cut. As for the abs, until your at LEAST 10% bf they will not appear. Just my $0.02, but if I were you I would cut out the bread all together and have very little fruit if possible, if you have some berries would be best.

As for the salad you should eat something with a little more benefitial like egg whites, 1 cup brown or basmati rice, broccoli tuna or salmon, cottage cheese, the no fat stuff and also cut your carbs off at 4p.m.. I realize this probably seems a little extreme but it works and your going to find it pretty damn bland so don't give up just keep on going and watch your body change don't rely on the scale, the mirror will tell you what is really going on. So keep up what you are eating except for the changes I've mentioned and you should be fine.

Good Luck Bro!