The Secret To Getting Cut REVEALED!

[Nelson Montana]

I have to say, training and dieting for this NPC contest has re-confirmed what I knew along .

All these diet manipulations that the science geeks love to talk about is utter bullshit. Going old school here. All the books and all the methods and clinics and theories and seminars and analysis about fat loss can be summed up in one sentence:

Eat as much protein as possible with as little overall calorie intake as possible.

Done.

Done-fucking done, done. There's really nothing else to say or do. That is IT.

 

[stevesmi]

i really don't know how you guys/gals in NYC stay so trim eating all that chinese and italian food like i see on tv, it must be all that walking you all do. seems like if i even look at the wrong food I gain, maybe i should get rid of my car and just walk/bicycle everywhere. i think being on my ass all day in an office job is a killer even though i do get in morning and evening cardio

 

[buddhabuilder]

I have to say, training and dieting for this NPC contest has re-confirmed what I knew along .

All these diet manipulations that the science geeks love to talk about is utter bullshit. Going old school here. All the books and all the methods and clinics and theories and seminars and analysis about fat loss can be summed up in one sentence:

Eat as much protein as possible with as little overall calorie intake as possible.

Done.

Done-fucking done, done. There's really nothing else to say or do. That is IT.

Yesssssssssss!

 

[Nelson Montana]

i really don't know how you guys/gals in NYC stay so trim eating all that chinese and italian food like i see on tv, it must be all that walking you all do. seems like if i even look at the wrong food I gain, maybe i should get rid of my car and just walk/bicycle everywhere. i think being on my ass all day in an office job is a killer even though i do get in morning and evening cardio

Cardio just eats muscle. Train to build muscle. Then, yeah, I walk and bike everywhere.

 

[tha_Waco_kid]

Doesn't work for everyone. I have been in a calorie deficit for nearly a year with high protein and I can't get under 12%. Even with 2 hours of cardio per day for a good part of that year in addition to weight training. If it were as simple as low cals and high protein I would have disappeared by now.

Glad it works for you though - good luck on your show

 

[dusteefartz]

i really don't know how you guys/gals in NYC stay so trim eating all that chinese and italian food like i see on tv, it must be all that walking you all do. seems like if i even look at the wrong food I gain, maybe i should get rid of my car and just walk/bicycle everywhere. i think being on my ass all day in an office job is a killer even though i do get in morning and evening cardio

HAHAHA..its not all Chinese and Italian...there is also Indian, Japanese, Thai and let's not forget the absorbent amount of steak houses thru-out the tri-state area. lol

 

[Nelson Montana]

Doesn't work for everyone. I have been in a calorie deficit for nearly a year with high protein and I can't get under 12%. Even with 2 hours of cardio per day for a good part of that year. If it were as simple as low cals and high protein I would have disappeared by now.

You're doing a few things wrong. First of all, 12% may be your set point and you have to get more extreme. NOBODY ever kept cutting calories and didn't lose weight.

And 2 hours of cardio is probably tanking your metabolism.

 

[tha_Waco_kid]

You're doing a few things wrong. First of all, 12% may be your set point and you have to get more extreme. NOBODY ever kept cutting calories and didn't lose weight.

And 2 hours of cardio is probably tanking your metabolism.

I have tried with and without the cardio. Tried IF....tried lots of meals.....still way under maintenance daily unless my maintenance number is like 800 per day.

My genetics are geared to put on weight. Which would be great if I was an aspiring bb'er. But I have no desire to get overly large. Just solid build and lean. I'm fighting my body constantly to try to stay and get lean.

Lots of folks have told me I must be doing things wrong. But I track every calorie and macro. Always been on point.

 

[rustilldown]

You're doing a few things wrong. First of all, 12% may be your set point and you have to get more extreme. NOBODY ever kept cutting calories and didn't lose weight.

And 2 hours of cardio is probably tanking your metabolism.

This man...this... Too much cardio will have your metabolism in the gutter. I posted a good article awhile ago that shows why girls shouldn't run... Ill try to find it again. And not saying your a girl it's relevant to males too. Too much cardio = crawling metabolism .

 

[Robbo1980]

I have to say, training and dieting for this NPC contest has re-confirmed what I knew along .

All these diet manipulations that the science geeks love to talk about is utter bullshit. Going old school here. All the books and all the methods and clinics and theories and seminars and analysis about fat loss can be summed up in one sentence:

Eat as much protein as possible with as little overall calorie intake as possible.

Done.

Done-fucking done, done. There's really nothing else to say or do. That is IT.

So just protein for breakfast lunch and dinner plus snacks right?

New to this and am bulking now but feel a bit fat, so after cycle and all the big weights just go cardio and light on weights right? And with that diet I should get some good definition correct ( the hamsters running here) !

 

[stevesmi]

interesting points everyone.

when i ran 40-45 miles a week i think that would qualify as a shitload of cardio. we are talking 6-8 minute mile pace btw which is pretty damn fast and my body fat was clocked at 6%

also keep in mind everyone's metabolism is different. everyone's job is different. when i lived in my apartment i would walk my puppy like 5X per day or he would piss on the carpet. i stayed trim during this time even eating junk.. when i bought a house and had a backyard i walked him way less and i put on fat.

when i was younger my metabolism was fast but as i've gotten older its slowed down. i always wondered when i was younger why fat people go so fat when i was eating so much and never gained.. but you gotta put yourself in other peoples shoes who have slower metabolism. its also not easy for a lot of people to gain muscle either, and for others we put it on really easy.

 

[digit0x]

I have to say, training and dieting for this NPC contest has re-confirmed what I knew along .

All these diet manipulations that the science geeks love to talk about is utter bullshit. Going old school here. All the books and all the methods and clinics and theories and seminars and analysis about fat loss can be summed up in one sentence:

Eat as much protein as possible with as little overall calorie intake as possible.

Done.

Done-fucking done, done. There's really nothing else to say or do. That is IT.

Yup. I don't have the time for all the shenanigans. Props to them though for attempting to perfect the science.

 

[stevesmi]

I have tried with and without the cardio. Tried IF....tried lots of meals.....still way under maintenance daily unless my maintenance number is like 800 per day.

My genetics are geared to put on weight. Which would be great if I was an aspiring bb'er. But I have no desire to get overly large. Just solid build and lean. I'm fighting my body constantly to try to stay and get lean.

Lots of folks have told me I must be doing things wrong. But I track every calorie and macro. Always been on point.

dude you are right. i have become like you as i've gotten older. whether i cut calories or not makes not a lick of difference.. i have tried it all.. i cannot get back under 12%.. i feel like i would have to run 3-4 miles a day to get under that and then that would be counter productive to my strength and muscle goals.

the whole cutting calorie thing doesn't work for everyone.. there are guys who eat nothing but junk all day and stay skinny.. and there are fatties that barely eat anything that stay fat. it takes more than just calorie surpluses and deficits to reach weight goals.. every BODY is so different !!!!

i think as athletes especially you cannot just depend on calorie manipulation to reach weight goals, it would be a mistake to assume that.

 

[tha_Waco_kid]

dude you are right. i have become like you as i've gotten older. whether i cut calories or not makes not a lick of difference.. i have tried it all.. i cannot get back under 12%.. i feel like i would have to run 3-4 miles a day to get under that and then that would be counter productive to my strength and muscle goals.

the whole cutting calorie thing doesn't work for everyone.

Figured I wasn't the only one. I do run 8-10 miles per day and still hasn't changed. I have slowly tried bringing in more cardio, and I have tried no cardio. Still can't drop any lower in bf. too bad our goals don't always match genetics. I feel if I tried to bulk I would pack on huge size very quickly. My appetite is massive and my body wants to grow.

Everyone is different, that is the 'secret to getting cut' Not just cals and macros. Too much cardio may hurt someone's metabolism, while others will burn more rapidly as they add cardio. Loom at Dylan G and his cardio regime. Doesn't seem to be hurting his metabolism.

 

[stevesmi]

Figured I wasn't the only one. Of course I run 8-10 miles per day and still hasn't changed. I have slowly tried bringing in more cardio, and I have tried no cardio. Still can't drop any lower in bf. too bad our goals don't always match genetics. I feel if I tried to bulk I would pack on huge size very quickly. My appetite is massive and my body wants to grow.

let me ask you this.. have you ALWAYS been like this?

cause when i was younger like in my mid teens i weighed like 115 pounds with like 5% body fat.. i was skinny as a rail. then when i was running half marathons i was 135 at 6% body fat in my mid 20's. i was eating whole pizza's at a time like nothing.. pasta after every run. i was taking in an insane amount of calories and still stayed thin.

once i started using AAS i have never been less than 12% body fat, i really wonder if the AAS has caused my body to change from ecto to meso.. perhaps the 'growth' imbalance that AAS gives has had an effect on me.. anyway i am not complaining.. i would rather be 200 at 13% and built like a train than be 135 and skinny.

 

[tha_Waco_kid]

let me ask you this.. have you ALWAYS been like this?

cause when i was younger like in my mid teens i weighed like 115 pounds with like 5% body fat.. i was skinny as a rail. then when i was running half marathons i was 135 at 6% body fat in my mid 20's. so i have been skinny before, once i started using AAS i have never been less than 12% body fat, i really wonder if the AAS has caused my body to change from ecto to meso

Actually, yea, I have always been like this. Even when I was in high school and college playing 3 sports, I was never really lean. I was In great shape but never fully cut up. I didn't really diet carefully back then either though.

 

[louisiana]

And this is the reason I've accepted my body's genetic makeup. I can't get really cut no matter how hard I've tried with my diet and cardio. I lost 40lbs at one time and still wasn't cut. My parents are thicker people and that where I get my genetics from. I'm 225lbs and would love to be 210lbs or 215lbs but I still will have a thicker build. I'm lean enough and proud that I'm not a fat ass on the couch not caring about his weight. I have a nice build and I except not being super cut.

 

[Potent]

Couldn't agree more, here's. What did it for me over the winter. 7 hrs snowboarding, then to
The gym for 4 hours basketball then lifting. All while consuming 1g of protein per 1 lb body mass, keeping calories low as possible. I've stayed about 180 5'11 and lost 3% bf almost to 9%. I've been trying to
Cut for years with no outstanding success. this is probably the only time in my life I haven't been "trying" and it is just happening. I am now shifting over to mountain biking in place of boarding. I know most people don't have time for This shit, I sat in a
Cubicle for years so I am making the most of part time work living in the mountains.

 

[El Hefe]

let me ask you this.. have you ALWAYS been like this?

cause when i was younger like in my mid teens i weighed like 115 pounds with like 5% body fat.. i was skinny as a rail. then when i was running half marathons i was 135 at 6% body fat in my mid 20's. i was eating whole pizza's at a time like nothing.. pasta after every run. i was taking in an insane amount of calories and still stayed thin.

once i started using AAS i have never been less than 12% body fat, i really wonder if the AAS has caused my body to change from ecto to meso.. perhaps the 'growth' imbalance that AAS gives has had an effect on me.. anyway i am not complaining.. i would rather be 200 at 13% and built like a train than be 135 and skinny.

Interesting post. I can relate.

Through most of HS I was around 5' 10", 140 lbs no matter how much I ate and lifted. Excluding 'warm up', I avoided cardio like the plague and stayed cut. Eventually, after a few years of 4-5K+ cal/day and protein/gainer shakes til I would gag, I finally got to about 170-175 lbs. But that was it.

After the juice was loose, it didn't take long to break 200. After a few years I was 220. And yes, it seemed as though my body had changed (not just weight).

I also haven't been able to get back to that low bf%. Getting older plays a role, but for me, I definitely believe AAS played a role.

Now in my 30's. I fluctuate, but I'm usually around 230lbs. If my activity is light, I could maintain with about 1-2, 200 cal shakes and 2, 500 cal meals. Talk about about a change in metabolism.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ what happened to you is what happened to me.

those extra hormones makes the difference but also as adults the change in metabolism..

those that are already meso AAS can turn into stage ready guys and those fuckers can eat trash and workout half as hard as ecto's and still keep muscle

and then the endomorphs are guys that have always been chunky and no matter how low they take their cals, how much cardio they do, how much AAS they take they still can never get under 15% body fat.

i've found that growing up i was definately an ecto, but now as an adult no doubt I am endo.. all has to do with genetics of being meditaranean.. if a meso were to train and diet like I do they would be winning regional BB contests with ease. they are the dudes that were always picked first in sports and basically the jocks.

Your Body Type - Ectomorph, Mesomorph or Endomorph? | Muscle & Strength << decent writeup of the difference

 

[Jack steel]

I have to say, training and dieting for this NPC contest has re-confirmed what I knew along .

All these diet manipulations that the science geeks love to talk about is utter bullshit. Going old school here. All the books and all the methods and clinics and theories and seminars and analysis about fat loss can be summed up in one sentence:

Eat as much protein as possible with as little overall calorie intake as possible.

Done.

Done-fucking done, done. There's really nothing else to say or do. That is IT.

I love this straight simple truth!!!

 

[louisiana]

The funny thing is when a person get to very low bodyfat percentage they don't keep it. It got to be hard as hell to maintain such a low percentage while living a normal life. If you are not trying to enter a contest why get so low? What about have a healthy bodyfat percentage while having a nice build. Works for me!!!

 

[robph]

everyone is different but nelson is right, carbs are the enemy when cutting, protein should be your main calorie source, for me, doing cardio 7 days a week got me the leanest ever. diet is most important always, you eat like shit, you look like shit!

 

[SSM99]

I have tried with and without the cardio. Tried IF....tried lots of meals.....still way under maintenance daily unless my maintenance number is like 800 per day.

My genetics are geared to put on weight. Which would be great if I was an aspiring bb'er. But I have no desire to get overly large. Just solid build and lean. I'm fighting my body constantly to try to stay and get lean.

Lots of folks have told me I must be doing things wrong. But I track every calorie and macro. Always been on point.

Sounds like you have gone so low on calories with way too much cardio and in turn severely damaged your metabolism!!

 

[stevesmi]

everyone is different but nelson is right, carbs are the enemy when cutting, protein should be your main calorie source, for me, doing cardio 7 days a week got me the leanest ever. diet is most important always, you eat like shit, you look like shit!

diet is very important but with some guys they can eat shit and still look great. i wouldn't call my diet great when i was younger but because i was an ectomorph i could eat all i wanted and still was shredded with an 8 pack. everyone is different.

i eat good cause it makes me feel good to eat good. gut food makes me feel like shit.

 

[MattJS]

If I want to get to 5/6% body fat I'll just drop my cals to 4k 100% clean for two or three days, that seems to do it every time... I find it very easy to be ripped but very hard to gain mass so my strategy is to remain lean while adding a couple of pounds at a time... I agree with Steve everyone is different, different lifestyles different responses to nutrition and training, I suppose a massive part of making progress is working out how best to manipulate those variables to achieve your goals....
Nelsons strategy has worked for me in the past but then a high fat diet worked as well and so did carb cycling, one thing in common protein has always been high...

 

[Nelson Montana]

So just protein for breakfast lunch and dinner plus snacks right?

New to this and am bulking now but feel a bit fat, so after cycle and all the big weights just go cardio and light on weights right? And with that diet I should get some good definition correct ( the hamsters running here) !

No snacks and not just protein. I get a little fat and carbs with eat meal but keep them low.

 

[Robbo1980]

No snacks and not just protein. I get a little fat and carbs with eat meal but keep them low.

Have you a strict diet then nelson and if so do you have a copy of it?

My diet is pretty poor for a first cycle, I'm going for a bulk programme at the mo but I know how essential the diet is for this to work. Just would like some info on the whole cutting thing please as feel strong but a bit fat.

 

[Essie]

Well ... I KNOW I need to change my diet up ...I considered IF and tried it for 3 weeks ... but those damn shakes and shivers and sweats I get EVERY SINGLE DAY 3-6 times a day and I feel like I am going to feint ... nah ... not worth it. I tried it and pushed through all those shit encounters for 21 days thinking (hoping? wishing?) that it would blow over, but it didn't. Now I need to start looking at something else as I've bumped up to 18-20% following my last bulker. I ate around 5000 Cal/day and really REALLY GREW like f*ck ... but at the expense af slabbing on loads of lard in the process. Now I need to drop it.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Have you a strict diet then nelson and if so do you have a copy of it?

My diet is pretty poor for a first cycle, I'm going for a bulk programme at the mo but I know how essential the diet is for this to work. Just would like some info on the whole cutting thing please as feel strong but a bit fat.

My diet isn;t strict at all. I think that's a sure way to fail. I have a simple philosophy -- don't eat anything that doesn't benefit me.

Here's an example of what I had yesterday

Breakfast -- Omlette made with 2 egg whites and 2 whole eggs. Piece of toast.

Cinnimun shake before workout

Lunch was a burger with tomatoes, lettuce and onion and a seltzer.

A couple of hard boiled eggs as a "snack"

Dinner was grilled chicken with asparagus and some curried chick peas

Later I had a salad with slices of ham and low fat swiss cheese

Chocolate shake before bed

Now, does that sound like I'm suffering? Everything was good fuel, no crap.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ damn bro that sounds like my diet almost to a tee.. except for the shakes

i need to find a wife who will cook for me though, not that i don't mind cooking but it would be nice to have someone to handle that aspect. girls these days don't like cooking for their man. i asked my gf to make me breakfast this morning and she said "fuck you" lololol

 

[SpyWizard]

I have to say, training and dieting for this NPC contest has re-confirmed what I knew along .

All these diet manipulations that the science geeks love to talk about is utter bullshit. Going old school here. All the books and all the methods and clinics and theories and seminars and analysis about fat loss can be summed up in one sentence:

Eat as much protein as possible with as little overall calorie intake as possible.

Done.

Done-fucking done, done. There's really nothing else to say or do. That is IT.

yep, that is it for sure.. paleo diet in a nut shell....

 

[Robbo1980]

My diet isn;t strict at all. I think that's a sure way to fail. I have a simple philosophy -- don't eat anything that doesn't benefit me.

Here's an example of what I had yesterday

Breakfast -- Omlette made with 2 egg whites and 2 whole eggs. Piece of toast.

Cinnimun shake before workout

Lunch was a burger with tomatoes, lettuce and onion and a seltzer.

A couple of hard boiled eggs as a "snack"

Dinner was grilled chicken with asparagus and some curried chick peas

Later I had a salad with slices of ham and low fat swiss cheese

Chocolate shake before bed

Now, does that sound like I'm suffering? Everything was good fuel, no crap.

That's a pretty good diet nelson , it is so true that diet makes you feel better too. I ate loads of crap Saturday and felt like like shit, had a good diet Sunday and today and just feel much better.

Sometimes I just crave bad foods, I go crazy and gouge on loads of crap. I have noticed a real change in my eating habits since being on cycle and do feel hungry a lot more than usual. Does this happen with you too or anyone else on here?

 

[stevesmi]

Sometimes I just crave bad foods, I go crazy and gouge on loads of crap. I have noticed a real change in my eating habits since being on cycle and do feel hungry a lot more than usual. Does this happen with you too or anyone else on here?

i had my handyman doing work for me with his stepson.. the guy insisted i get him chickFILA, he is addicted to that fatty stuff. i brung it back and he was in shock i didn't get anything for myself.. the smell of the food made me sick and i would never eat that crap because i would feel like crap afterwards. its just a matter of not eating that food and over time you will eventually never want to touch it again. in his case he is eating it almost everyday so his brain is addicted to that fat and oil.

btw he is skinny as a rail and his stepson is a D league bball player. so again it proves even those with crappy diets with genetics can be skinny. many pro athletes eat shit before their games and still go out there and do amazing things. i wonder how much better they would perform if they ate healthy food. it kinda makes me mad lol that they eat shit and get away with it.

 

[Nelson Montana]

That's a pretty good diet nelson , it is so true that diet makes you feel better too. I ate loads of crap Saturday and felt like like shit, had a good diet Sunday and today and just feel much better.

Sometimes I just crave bad foods, I go crazy and gouge on loads of crap. I have noticed a real change in my eating habits since being on cycle and do feel hungry a lot more than usual. Does this happen with you too or anyone else on here?

When the metabolism is in a heightened anabolic state, yes, you do tend to crave more food. Larry Scott said that the reason he gained so much on dianabol was more from the fact that it made him ravenously hungry.

 

[ballslee]

have you guys ever considered going into a protein excess? the guy who was having trouble cutting weight. maybe your protein is too low. protein in meat sources is pretty hard for the body to breakdown and causes you to burn calories in the process. i would think an excess protein (not concerned with calorie surplus or deficit) would possibly help. eat more protein, lower your carbs, increase your good fats.all recipes for success

 

[Robbo1980]

i had my handyman doing work for me with his stepson.. the guy insisted i get him chickFILA, he is addicted to that fatty stuff. i brung it back and he was in shock i didn't get anything for myself.. the smell of the food made me sick and i would never eat that crap because i would feel like crap afterwards. its just a matter of not eating that food and over time you will eventually never want to touch it again. in his case he is eating it almost everyday so his brain is addicted to that fat and oil.

btw he is skinny as a rail and his stepson is a D league bball player. so again it proves even those with crappy diets with genetics can be skinny. many pro athletes eat shit before their games and still go out there and do amazing things. i wonder how much better they would perform if they ate healthy food. it kinda makes me mad lol that they eat shit and get away with it.

That's a funny story mate, it is down to genetics your right . Look we all know what's bad and what's good it's just hard sometimes to stick to it!

 

[stevesmi]

have you guys ever considered going into a protein excess? the guy who was having trouble cutting weight. maybe your protein is too low. protein in meat sources is pretty hard for the body to breakdown and causes you to burn calories in the process. i would think an excess protein (not concerned with calorie surplus or deficit) would possibly help. eat more protein, lower your carbs, increase your good fats.all recipes for success

hmmm.. but what about vegans who are skin and bones vs. middle aged men who eat at fat boys BBQ everyday for lunch?

i would of thought eating a lot of veggies and fruit (catabolic foods) would help a person lose weight better than someone who just ate meat (anabolic/growth foods) all day. which is the problem with obesity in the US (aside from the processed crap we eat)

i think in 50 or 100 years we will understand more about how the human body works. we have a good idea now but we have a lot to learn

 

[RickRock13]

High protein with low overall cals is a great approach, but there becomes a point where protein intake can be too high. In my experience, anything over 1.5-2g per pound isn't necessary. I would much rather use them extra cals for some complex carbs and/or healthy fats. Carbs are muscle sparing after all, and a very important macronutriemt that shouldn't be neglected.

 

[frankna]

Walking is the key for me to loose fat... Running do the job but walking is easier and prevent lower injuries, low calories doesnt work on me unless on prolonged stress situation. I have a very stocky body type and slow metabolism. Gaining muscle always been easy and gain never went away even on high stress courses or operational theatre. Also... gaining fat is too easy and always need to watch what i eat.... This is pissing me off.. Clean diet, no calories monitoring, lifting and walking works great for me. But this is me and everybody is different.

 

[UA_Iron]

80% beef jerky (the new bacon jerky is ok on Saturdays as a cheat meal)
10% fiber gummies (gummy bears with fiber)
10% some microwave vegetables

within 3 months you'll look like Jay Cutler

 

[gjohnson5]

I dunno man. Protein is a horrible source of energy. Not to mention carbs will make a muscle look full and can also spare protein. Layne Norton says his guys eat 350g carbs even around contest prep.

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[SSM99]

I dunno man. Protein is a horrible source of energy. Not to mention carbs will make a muscle look full and can also spare protein. Layne Norton says his guys eat 350g carbs even around contest prep.

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To cut on 350g of carbs their metabolisms would be amped to the max...probably higher end guys. Some endos would bulk with less carbs.

 

[gjohnson5]

Yes really complex carbs are the hardest thing for the body to break down. So I would agree that fruits and veggies are the way to go for fat loss.

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[gjohnson5]

You're talking about someone who cardios and is really low bf. The people who are saying cardio kills their metabolism are probably not fueling up enough before hand. 350g carbs for some like this is not a bog deal

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[Nelson Montana]

I dunno man. Protein is a horrible source of energy. Not to mention carbs will make a muscle look full and can also spare protein. Layne Norton says his guys eat 350g carbs even around contest prep.

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I still eat carbs but you don't need that many. A few days out you carb up to fill out. And yeah, guys who are 250 who are on clen, tren and GH, can get away with it. I am not.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ yeah no doubt about that.

nelson let me ask you this.. the handman example. he eats nothing but mcdonalds and chikfilA, he is getting in a ton of calories and fats.. yet he is skinny as a rail.. i'm talkin he is 6 or 7% body fat and has lean muscle. not bodybuilder huge but he is ripped with lean muscle. he eats no veggies at all, maybe an occasional piece of fruit. explain that to me.

 

[tha_Waco_kid]

I dunno man. Protein is a horrible source of energy. Not to mention carbs will make a muscle look full and can also spare protein. Layne Norton says his guys eat 350g carbs even around contest prep.

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Yeah but one large factor is being left out here. All the drugs. Pro guys and many others are pounding Tren,hgh, clen, t3, and 2 other compounds we aren't supposed to mention, which will take care of all those cals and carbs. Your regular drug free joe endo like me has to be super super careful with every calorie if I want to try to lean out.

 

[Nelson Montana]

^^^ yeah no doubt about that.

nelson let me ask you this.. the handman example. he eats nothing but mcdonalds and chikfilA, he is getting in a ton of calories and fats.. yet he is skinny as a rail.. i'm talkin he is 6 or 7% body fat and has lean muscle. not bodybuilder huge but he is ripped with lean muscle. he eats no veggies at all, maybe an occasional piece of fruit. explain that to me.

Genetics bro. I'm not saying what I'm doing is going to get everyone ripped. It's just the best approach to getting leaner. It goes the other way too. I can squat with weights that will break my back and I will never have thighs as thick as some guy who played football in high school and now sits on his porch and drinks beer. Bodybuilding is about making the most of what you have.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ yes Samoans are a good example. you don't see them playing WR or CB in the NFL.. they are all lineman.

also everyone burns calories at different rates even doing the same exercise.. you can be on the treadmill next to someone else and run the same 10 minute mile yet burn a different amount of cals. or you could sit on your ass and burn calories just cause you have a high metabolism.

there isn't an exact science to it and everyone is so different.

 

[MattJS]

Stevesmi, in relation to your handyman example I know a guy who weighs 200lbs, he'd be about 5'10 maybe 11% bodyfat, big and lean... No steroids, can't even pronounce creatine, eats pure junk goes drinking at the weekends, only been weight training for two years... Some people just seemed to be blessed with excellent genetics...

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ this dude i am talking about is jamaican so he has excellent genetics. also he is out there in FL heat doing yardwork and fixing things all day.. sweating a lot and all that. the guy never drinks water either.. he just drinks soda lol. if he were to workout and eat good he would be on stage for sure.

 

[gjohnson5]

^^^ yes Samoans are a good example. you don't see them playing WR or CB in the NFL.. they are all lineman.

Troy Polamalu.........

 

[stevesmi]

Troy Polamalu.........

he is a strong safety bro. not a CB. totally different position. CB's are skinny and fast. strong safeties are more bulky and they have to get up there and take on blocks in run support.

but yeah he is a freak.. well was a freak. he is past his prime now

 

[UA_Iron]

You should avoid eating soy with other proteins too - it will diminish your ability to absorb other proteins. Unless its a soy protein extract - which there are better sources of protein.

Here's where this simple idea starts to get complicated

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I have to say, training and dieting for this NPC contest has re-confirmed what I knew along .

All these diet manipulations that the science geeks love to talk about is utter bullshit. Going old school here. All the books and all the methods and clinics and theories and seminars and analysis about fat loss can be summed up in one sentence:

Eat as much protein as possible with as little overall calorie intake as possible.

Done.

Done-fucking done, done. There's really nothing else to say or do. That is IT.

Very late to this thread but Nelson I have to agree. I love your old school philosophy on pretty much everything.

Its real easy to keep around 2k cals and get 400g protein a day.

 

[notjake11]

Very late to this thread but Nelson I have to agree. I love your old school philosophy on pretty much everything.

Its real easy to keep around 2k cals and get 400g protein a day.

I can keep at 2k pretty easy while hitting 300g but 400 is difficult to do. That would mean 80% of your calories are coming from protein. Hard to get in your veggies and enough healthy fats at that level.

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[scorpio0118]

OK I have a clean diet, I eat about 1900 kcals a day and run 5 miles 6 times a week at 5 am. This is In addition to my heavy weight training. I am also 37 6"2 230lbs @ 12% bf. I look leaner then I actually am. I am pretty lean everywhere except my lower belly. And no matter what my fat clings there. Would you think that if I cut my cardio I would see better results? Don't take me wrong, I am happy with the way I look, but always looking to refine. I feel that my cardio is what keeps me lean (in addition to a low carb/high protein diet).

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[Nelson Montana]

OK I have a clean diet, I eat about 1900 kcals a day and run 5 miles 6 times a week at 5 am. This is In addition to my heavy weight training. I am also 37 6"2 230lbs @ 12% bf. I look leaner then I actually am. I am pretty lean everywhere except my lower belly. And no matter what my fat clings there. Would you think that if I cut my cardio I would see better results? Don't take me wrong, I am happy with the way I look, but always looking to refine. I feel that my cardio is what keeps me lean (in addition to a low carb/high protein diet).

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Too much running. Use that energy to concentrate on building the muscle of the lower abdomen.

 

[stevesmi]

OK I have a clean diet, I eat about 1900 kcals a day and run 5 miles 6 times a week at 5 am. This is In addition to my heavy weight training. I am also 37 6"2 230lbs @ 12% bf. I look leaner then I actually am. I am pretty lean everywhere except my lower belly. And no matter what my fat clings there. Would you think that if I cut my cardio I would see better results? Don't take me wrong, I am happy with the way I look, but always looking to refine. I feel that my cardio is what keeps me lean (in addition to a low carb/high protein diet).

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in men the belly is usually the last place excess fat is stored. so this is normal. only way to get rid of that is to lose more fat. you can do the ab machine all you want and its not gonna make a difference.

you always see fat people using the ab machine at the gym and i roll my eyes, its silly to spot train. i had an arguement with a friend about this who would use the ab machine and claimed he was losing weight in his belly. it wasn't from the machine it was from him working out more and losing body fat which gave him the impression that his strategy was working.

 

[Nelson Montana]

in men the belly is usually the last place excess fat is stored. so this is normal. only way to get rid of that is to lose more fat. you can do the ab machine all you want and its not gonna make a difference.

you always see fat people using the ab machine at the gym and i roll my eyes, its silly to spot train. i had an arguement with a friend about this who would use the ab machine and claimed he was losing weight in his belly. it wasn't from the machine it was from him working out more and losing body fat which gave him the impression that his strategy was working.

No, you can't spot reduce, but you can build the muscles in the abdominal wall and it's the lower ones that are harder to train, therefore, they droop and the fat excentuates the "pooch." Working lower abs is a must and most ab machines don't hit them.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

in men the belly is usually the last place excess fat is stored. so this is normal. only way to get rid of that is to lose more fat. you can do the ab machine all you want and its not gonna make a difference.

you always see fat people using the ab machine at the gym and i roll my eyes, its silly to spot train. i had an arguement with a friend about this who would use the ab machine and claimed he was losing weight in his belly. it wasn't from the machine it was from him working out more and losing body fat which gave him the impression that his strategy was working.

Lou Ferrigno never worked abs.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Lou Ferrigno never worked abs.

Not while bulking. VInce Gironda felt that ab work drained too much energy and worked against getting bigger.

 

[gjohnson5]

No, you can't spot reduce,

Yes you can.
The studies on topical weight loss products has shown that one can lose circumference in one leg. (on a caloric deficit of course)
Not to mention it has also been proven that fat loss does occur adjacent to the muscles being worked.

Are blood flow and lipolysis i... [Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI

 

[gjohnson5]

he is a strong safety bro. not a CB. totally different position. CB's are skinny and fast. strong safeties are more bulky and they have to get up there and take on blocks in run support.

but yeah he is a freak.. well was a freak. he is past his prime now

You're reaching
You said Samoans were all linemen...
Not to mention there's not that much difference between a corner back and a safety.... Their pretty similar in size and speed.
Corners can't be weak either. Corner back play at the line of scrimmage gets physical.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Yes you can.
The studies on topical weight loss products has shown that one can lose circumference in one leg. (on a caloric deficit of course)
Not to mention it has also been proven that fat loss does occur adjacent to the muscles being worked.

Are blood flow and lipolysis i... [Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI

Interesting, though I can get into a few ways that study is flawed. Here's another one that I believe further study will support -- wearing a sweat belt just makes you lose water, right? Mmmm, I think there is also a little fat burning there as well. Of course, it's slight and much be in conjunction with intense exercise and a calorie deficit, but I find that continued use creates a smaller waistline in the long run.

 

[John McLane]

Cardio just eats muscle. Train to build muscle. Then, yeah, I walk and bike everywhere.

I agree. I went crazy on the cardio 2 years ago and got ripped but lost a fair bit of weight.