The REAL ID Act, many Americans know about this?

[MattTheSkywalker]

America is hours away from implementing universal measures of identification for every citizen of this nation. Today, the U.S. Senate will be voting on the Real ID Act (H.R. 418 RFS) which has been quietly slipped into an $82 billion dollar appropriations bill for "defense, the global war on terror and tsunami relief."

The purpose of the Real ID Act is to, "To establish and rapidly implement regulations for State driver's license and identification document security standards, to prevent terrorists from abusing the asylum laws of the United States, to unify terrorism-related grounds for inadmissibility and removal, and to ensure expeditious construction of the San Diego border fence."

The act will remove a state's ability to set standards and qualifications for driver's licenses and I.D. cards. Instead, the federal government will establish their own universal standards that will result in a national I.D. card for citizens.

Additionally, the Real ID Act calls for implementation of the program with "common machine-readable technology" which could lead to widespread abuse, identity theft and massive privacy concerns.

 

[john937]

Note to Curling - the world is setting the stage to implement "Mark of the Beast".

First step - require national id - "reasonable requirement to prevent terrorism"
Second step - implanted microchip - "technology upgrade" - (for your convenience)
Third step - sign allegiance to "Herr Ruler" or lose rights to your bank account.

 

[Razorguns]

America is hours away from implementing universal measures of identification for every citizen of this nation. Today, the U.S. Senate will be voting on the Real ID Act (H.R. 418 RFS) which has been quietly slipped into an $82 billion dollar appropriations bill for "defense, the global war on terror and tsunami relief."

I'm not sure your angle on this -- but i'll _assume_ it's in a negative spotlight.

First off -- We've had a national ID for decades. It's called the SSN and Driver's License.

Try doing _anything_ without a ssn or dl. You can't. I can't drive, buy a house, get a job, get into a club, buy beer, etc. I can't lead any sort of enjoyable life with no documents. I can't even leave the border.

All this act does (and granted i haven't read much about it, other than the generalized 2 paragraph description courtesy of your simpleton media journalist) is to create a level of authenticity of these documents.

Nothing wrong with that.

If you're not going to have legitimatcy and authenticity to a document -- then why even have it?

It's the government's way of saying to itself "If you're gonna do something, do it RIGHT".

Long overdue. Illegals will whine about it, well boo hoo. They can go back to their countries. Lands where no one will lend them money cuz due to lack of enforcable ID, they can disappear and never be seen again. Lands where you can get ripped off by a "Juan Gomez", go to the police and ask to arrest a "Juan Gomez" and told "There's a billion Juan Gomez's. Nothing we can do".

Perhaps that's what they want here.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I'm not sure your angle on this -- but i'll _assume_ it's in a negative spotlight.

First off -- We've had a national ID for decades. It's called the SSN and Driver's License.

Try doing _anything_ without a ssn or dl. You can't. I can't drive, buy a house, get a job, get into a club, buy beer, etc. I can't lead any sort of enjoyable life with no documents. I can't even leave the border.

All this act does (and granted i haven't read much about it, other than the generalized 2 paragraph description courtesy of your simpleton media journalist) is to create a level of authenticity of these documents.

Nothing wrong with that.

If you're not going to have legitimatcy and authenticity to a document -- then why even have it?

It's the government's way of saying to itself "If you're gonna do something, do it RIGHT".

Long overdue. Illegals will whine about it, well boo hoo. They can go back to their countries. Lands where no one will lend them money cuz due to lack of enforcable ID, they can disappear and never be seen again. Lands where you can get ripped off by a "Juan Gomez", go to the police and ask to arrest a "Juan Gomez" and told "There's a billion Juan Gomez's. Nothing we can do".

Perhaps that's what they want here.

My stance is more about the 10th Amendment.

The existence of the SSN does not make it right. Two wrongs don't make a right homes. We had slavery once too. Was that right?

Illegals will not be affected by this. You already know that this admin and most politicians do not favor enforcement of immigration laws. Juan Gomez will keep doing whatever he is doing, especially in CA.

 

[Razorguns]

Juan Gomez will keep doing whatever he is doing, especially in CA.

That is true, and form what i've heard -- this REAL ID act is more about affecting illegal immigration, rather than stopping identify theft.

It won't stop it, far from it -- but "making it harder" for them may at least slow down the floodgates a tad.

I love how the admin flip-flops with one day talking about amnesty and making things easier -- than another day, turns around and wants to make things "harder".

Make up your mind already. Close or open the border. Choose your player now. 20 seconds left. Match .. Begin!

 

[Griz1]

It's not about the original intent. It's about the capability for abuse by people in a position of power. Never mind, who's who. What happens when they start tracking people that they want to keep tabs on? And I DON'T mean terrorists either. What happens when they start tracking politically active democrats, or the Martin Luther Kings of the country? What about the DEA getting in on it to track compassion club leaders?

It's the ABUSE of the idea folks. Sure, IF it was kept to the original intent to merely keep out terrorists, or whatever, fine...good idea.

BUT if you, or anyone believes that it will stop there, and never get abused beyond it's original intent (ie spy on/manipulate citizens), then unfortuneately you are a naive-head-in-the-sand-ignore-history-idiot.

Thats what you get for voting for that puppet George W.

But I do have hope.

Good luck to you all!

 

[big4life]

People don't worry until something directly affects them, and by then it is usually too late.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

BUT if you, or anyone believes that it will stop there, and never get abused beyond it's original intent (ie spy on/manipulate citizens), then unfortuneately you are a naive-head-in-the-sand-ignore-history-idiot.

Thats what you get for voting for that puppet George W.

Agree with your first paragraph...

the current "national ID card", our social security card, was the work of a democrat. And this bill won't pass with one party.

 

[UA_Iron]

People don't worry until something directly affects them, and by then it is usually too late.

the legacy set forth by giant bureaucracies, reactionary and too much red tape.

 

[UA_Iron]

seems like its infringing on state's sovereignty.