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One: Everybody's guessing.
Two: Nobody's listenng.
It's just one contradiction after the other -- not that some people weren't trying. But there are always conflicting experiences and instead of trying to comprenend those differences everybody is just picking the stance that they want it to be.
Hell, by the endof the thread people were talking about d-bol bridges! That's like trying to cure an alcoholic by giving him just a couple of shots of bourbon. WAKE UP!!! This is all wishful thinking.
Let's get real.
Even Drjmw, with whom I am almost always in agreement said some things with which I would be glad to debate. I do concur with him that PCT always works...IF...executed correctly. Where I disagree is the thinkng that Clomid is a "sure fire" cure. It is not. And there are too many examples of Clomid causing a "backfire" effect to ignore.
And speaking of ignoring, one of the first posts is from Redux's article. And I quote:
"CLOMID DOES NOT, AS PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT, STIMULATE THE RELEASE OF NATURAL TESTOSTERONE."
Clomid works by removing estrogen. Well, DUH..lots of things remove estrogen. The only difference is, Clomid works through the feedback mechanism affecting LH, which in a supressed state may exhibit a negitive feedback loop causing further suppression and increased estrogen. And this is another point with which I must disagree with doc. He says Clomid "blocks" estrogen and that isn't always the case. Meanwhile anti-aromatases (such as Arimidex) which supposedly only prevent aromatization will ALWAYS lower estrogen. ALWAYS. It doesn't matter if the estrogen is high or low or in a natural or enhanced athlete or if it's naturally occuring or if it's from aromatized androgens. Arimidex will ALWAYS lower estrogen. Every time. Without fail.
Besides, Clomid also lowers FSH and raise SHBG -- two factors that work against recovery.
This effect of a supressed LH is an overlooked factor and the reason why Tribulus works for some, while it has the opposite effect on others. If you are already supressed, no matter what the cause -- drug use, age, hypogondism whatever-- there won't be enough LH to elevate teststerone. But remember, LH secretion also elevates estrogen and that is what often happens to severely supressed individuals who use Tribulus. It makes matters worse.
There is no "one size fits all" approach to PCT. But if I had to write a list of rules , I'd put it in this modest manner...
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS OF POST CYCLE THERAPY.
1...Do not assume that any steroid use is risk free.
2...Take precautions BEFORE the cycle commences.
3...Pay attention to symptoms during the cycle.
4...Test the waters. Always use the least amount of androgen before overdosing. This alone will cure 90% o the problems people experience.
5...Use the least amount of anti-e during the cycle. I recommend A-dex or aromasin.
6...Continue the A-dex or aromasan after the cycle. Some people claim this does no good. They're wrong. Maintaining a balance of e and T is essential.
7...Lower SHBG. This is the one advantage to Proviron but Proviron is also suppressive. That's why taking the herbal route is so valuable during and after the cycle. Nothing is better, be it supplement or drug,than using UNLEASHED to lower SHBG and raise testosterone.
8...For prolonged cycles, use HCG, but DO NOT OVERUSE IT! It takes very little HCG to produce testicular volume and once that's been acheived the rest is overkill. Too much relience on HCG will cause supression and a tolerance toward future applications.
9...Ween yourself off the A-dex after a couple of weeks PC by tapering the dosages. I know. This too, is considered "old fashioned", but it works. The body is pretty old fashioned in that it's an adaptive mechanism. Work with it and let it adapt slowly to changes and allow it to repair itself.
10... Protect your liver, keep libido up and avoid erectile dysfunction by using POST -CYCLE. It really helps.
That's it folks. Like it not, that's the reality of the situation. There are no free rides and everything presents a risk. All we can do is take every precaution to keep the risks at a minimum. After all is said and done, it's time that heals. Work with your body. Treat it with respect. Stay healthy. Stay strong.
NM
Two: Nobody's listenng.
It's just one contradiction after the other -- not that some people weren't trying. But there are always conflicting experiences and instead of trying to comprenend those differences everybody is just picking the stance that they want it to be.
Hell, by the endof the thread people were talking about d-bol bridges! That's like trying to cure an alcoholic by giving him just a couple of shots of bourbon. WAKE UP!!! This is all wishful thinking.
Let's get real.
Even Drjmw, with whom I am almost always in agreement said some things with which I would be glad to debate. I do concur with him that PCT always works...IF...executed correctly. Where I disagree is the thinkng that Clomid is a "sure fire" cure. It is not. And there are too many examples of Clomid causing a "backfire" effect to ignore.
And speaking of ignoring, one of the first posts is from Redux's article. And I quote:
"CLOMID DOES NOT, AS PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT, STIMULATE THE RELEASE OF NATURAL TESTOSTERONE."
Clomid works by removing estrogen. Well, DUH..lots of things remove estrogen. The only difference is, Clomid works through the feedback mechanism affecting LH, which in a supressed state may exhibit a negitive feedback loop causing further suppression and increased estrogen. And this is another point with which I must disagree with doc. He says Clomid "blocks" estrogen and that isn't always the case. Meanwhile anti-aromatases (such as Arimidex) which supposedly only prevent aromatization will ALWAYS lower estrogen. ALWAYS. It doesn't matter if the estrogen is high or low or in a natural or enhanced athlete or if it's naturally occuring or if it's from aromatized androgens. Arimidex will ALWAYS lower estrogen. Every time. Without fail.
Besides, Clomid also lowers FSH and raise SHBG -- two factors that work against recovery.
This effect of a supressed LH is an overlooked factor and the reason why Tribulus works for some, while it has the opposite effect on others. If you are already supressed, no matter what the cause -- drug use, age, hypogondism whatever-- there won't be enough LH to elevate teststerone. But remember, LH secretion also elevates estrogen and that is what often happens to severely supressed individuals who use Tribulus. It makes matters worse.
There is no "one size fits all" approach to PCT. But if I had to write a list of rules , I'd put it in this modest manner...
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS OF POST CYCLE THERAPY.
1...Do not assume that any steroid use is risk free.
2...Take precautions BEFORE the cycle commences.
3...Pay attention to symptoms during the cycle.
4...Test the waters. Always use the least amount of androgen before overdosing. This alone will cure 90% o the problems people experience.
5...Use the least amount of anti-e during the cycle. I recommend A-dex or aromasin.
6...Continue the A-dex or aromasan after the cycle. Some people claim this does no good. They're wrong. Maintaining a balance of e and T is essential.
7...Lower SHBG. This is the one advantage to Proviron but Proviron is also suppressive. That's why taking the herbal route is so valuable during and after the cycle. Nothing is better, be it supplement or drug,than using UNLEASHED to lower SHBG and raise testosterone.
8...For prolonged cycles, use HCG, but DO NOT OVERUSE IT! It takes very little HCG to produce testicular volume and once that's been acheived the rest is overkill. Too much relience on HCG will cause supression and a tolerance toward future applications.
9...Ween yourself off the A-dex after a couple of weeks PC by tapering the dosages. I know. This too, is considered "old fashioned", but it works. The body is pretty old fashioned in that it's an adaptive mechanism. Work with it and let it adapt slowly to changes and allow it to repair itself.
10... Protect your liver, keep libido up and avoid erectile dysfunction by using POST -CYCLE. It really helps.
That's it folks. Like it not, that's the reality of the situation. There are no free rides and everything presents a risk. All we can do is take every precaution to keep the risks at a minimum. After all is said and done, it's time that heals. Work with your body. Treat it with respect. Stay healthy. Stay strong.
NM
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