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the perfect body (arnold)

dexter jackson is one of the few guys who has a good physique imho. i agree arnold looked awesome even lou ferrigno had a great build. i just don't like the whole growth hormone gut and keg leg look. i'm sure all the ronnie enthusiasts will flame me but i think he looks dumb, remember this is my opinion and i respect ronnie.
 
bicepts101 said:
i just cant get over how great arnold looked....look at my avatar he is just simply amazing.

the guys of tday are amazing also. if they could only figure out a way around the gut i would have so much more respect
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Back in Arnold's day it was an art. i totally agree with you. Now a days the new body builders it has become a science a chemical one. Its great that science has come a long way but now the judging is on huge amounts of bulkness.

I DO NOT think the guys of today are losers at all they are dedicated guys, more dedicated than even Arnold was.
 
bruce410 said:
dexter jackson is one of the few guys who has a good physique imho. i agree arnold looked awesome even lou ferrigno had a great build. i just don't like the whole growth hormone gut and keg leg look. i'm sure all the ronnie enthusiasts will flame me but i think he looks dumb, remember this is my opinion and i respect ronnie.
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I agree only my opinion but Ronnie does look freakish. I do definately respect the guy though.
 
ap282 said:
Back in Arnold's day it was an art. i totally agree with you. Now a days the new body builders it has become a science a chemical one. Its great that science has come a long way but now the judging is on huge amounts of bulkness.

I DO NOT think the guys of today are losers at all they are dedicated guys, more dedicated than even Arnold was.
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i agree bro...BUT i wouldnt go as far to say that the are more dedicated than arnold was. i mean shit arnold used to jog 3 miles to his gym when he was like 15 living in austria.
 
bicepts101 said:
i agree bro...BUT i wouldnt go as far to say that the are more dedicated than arnold was. i mean shit arnold used to jog 3 miles to his gym when he was like 15 living in austria.
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Not to mention he broke in once when it was closed.

Back in the day BB'ing was an art and it was beautiful, now its how big and gross can we look?
 
its just so very hard to compare generations, in any sport for that matter....but shit give arnold the crap they have now and he would still be king and imo he will never fall, NEVER..
 
Say hello to Slin and HGH Dorian seems to be the first BB to disocer the effects of Slin and HGH together(massive amounts albeit). The sports hasnt been the same since. I too, prefer Arnold's physique and that of a lot of his peers in the 70's
 
agree with the people above i will take Arnolds physique (not too mention most of the BBer's from the past) over todays generation, i dont think people today are losers either i mean fuck guys they have to pay their gym dues all the same and i will go a step farther and say today may be a bit harder because of the need to get that "freaky" huge look or they dont stand a chance....anyways thats just what i think....peace
 
bicepts101 said:
i agree bro...BUT i wouldnt go as far to say that the are more dedicated than arnold was. i mean shit arnold used to jog 3 miles to his gym when he was like 15 living in austria.
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Dont get me wrong about dedication bro. I know Arnold was hard core. Ronnie pretty much buys weights for the gym he works out at, and anything else it needs. The guy works out in a junk yard of a gym.

I do think Arnold was way more dedicated cause he didnt have the gear that most pro body builders have today.

Dexter Jackson i think right now has the best body building body
 
BB'ing just like any other sport has to have progression. Look at the way the games of baseball, basketball, and football have changed. Unfortunately in bb'ing you can't really improve shape and genetics, but you can improve size and many times it comes at the price of losing lines and and aesthetics.
 
silverbackn said:
BB'ing just like any other sport has to have progression. Look at the way the games of baseball, basketball, and football have changed. Unfortunately in bb'ing you can't really improve shape and genetics, but you can improve size and many times it comes at the price of losing lines and and aesthetics.[/QUOTE

agree with this 100 percent, just didnt use the word progression in what i wrote above....still like the way the bodies of yesteryear looked, although the size today is unbelievable....
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I've said this a thousand times, but the physiques of yesteryear's champions are so much better than the freaks of today, that it's not even funny.
There was a post around here that had the relaxed back poses of Arnold, Ronnie, and Dorian. The beauty of Arnold's crew was that by looking at their backs, Ronnie doesn't LOOK like he has 40-50 more pounds of muscle than Arnold. I have said that if Arnold had access to the drugs of today at his peak he would be competing at over 300 pounds, but he wouldn't look nearly as good as he did.
 
todays bb'er are LOSER"S.
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no doubt about it- THE OLD SCHOOL GUYS WERE FLAT OUT BETTER , all things considered
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The True Intellectuals Of Elite. :rolleyes:

These posts are so stupid i wont even respond, esspecially the first one.

Any ways, i think Silverbackn said it best, sports progress, all sports. so thats why its hard to compare generations. one could look at hockey and say before it was all about skill, agility, speed, coordination. now days its all about who hits the hardest, and fights the most and who gives the others the worst injuries. so one cant really compare, me being a younger guy or maybe i just like freaks, enjoy the bbers of today. the main reason i guess is because i want to see humans reach peaks they never reached before, i want to look at a bber and say "i can NEVER do that, no matter how hard i try", but when i look at old bbers i say "i can do that, it will be hard, but it is doable". so i guess thats why i like new bbers.
 
hankes64 said:
Not to mention he broke in once when it was closed.

Back in the day BB'ing was an art and it was beautiful, now its how big and gross can we look?
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couldn't agree with you more, bro. I can't honestly say that the bb'rs of today like Ronnie are losers, they are pro's in what they do. But, I think that the chemical science has made it much easier for these guys to get bigger. And, just as it is in our human nature to do so, man keeps trying to push the envelope even farther and that's why you have these genetic looking freaks Like Ronnie. I say, get rid of the HG and they'd prolly start to look somewhat decent.
 
they all work hard, but i think the stupidest thing about bbers today are the tans. u look at arnold and those guys they were tan but not shit brown. back then they laid out in the sun. i just think the guys today look funny when they spray on all that tanning shit. big clumps of diarreah.
 
Most BB's look pretty awesome to me but if I could pick one body to have right now it would be Arnold! I may try a few newer things to see where I could take that body but I wouldn't have to do much to it!
 
LT3 said:
The True Intellectuals Of Elite. :rolleyes:

These posts are so stupid i wont even respond, esspecially the first one.

Any ways, i think Silverbackn said it best, sports progress, all sports. so thats why its hard to compare generations. one could look at hockey and say before it was all about skill, agility, speed, coordination. now days its all about who hits the hardest, and fights the most and who gives the others the worst injuries. so one cant really compare, me being a younger guy or maybe i just like freaks, enjoy the bbers of today. the main reason i guess is because i want to see humans reach peaks they never reached before, i want to look at a bber and say "i can NEVER do that, no matter how hard i try", but when i look at old bbers i say "i can do that, it will be hard, but it is doable". so i guess thats why i like new bbers.
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Apparently you don't watch much hockey eh? :) I disagree with that comment but I do agree that todays bodybuilders are far from losers and calling them such.....I'm embaressed for the author. However, I prefer the older body styles because it has the appearance of the best a human body can be. WHile gear was obviously used back then, it is nothing at all like it is today and the older BB's still resembled humans. The bodies today while impressive in size and the dedication level, they are grotesque in their appearance. They are moving away from a human shape, to alien of sorts. The beauty is leaving the sport and the freak is replacing it in my opinion. I am beyond impressed at how they can transform their bodies thru chemicals and very hard work, but I'm also impressed by a really bad car wreck on the freeway...niether is a good thing and yet I can't turn my head. :)
 
Arnold was the man and all BUT I'll take Mike Mentzer as my #1.
Pro BB today is an "extreme sport" they have gone too far with the size, GH and tan. The sport and shows are not more popular today than 10 years ago...the sport is not growing.
 
let's see some pics of Arnold in his prime...

i too prefer the older look over the new guys, but this is the natural, or UN-natural progression of sport / competition...

noone can get that big without putting in the time or the work... it doesn't come "easy" for anyone...
 
i always thought Shawn Ray had a killer body...

i was more into the complete package, than just mass...
 
Apparently you don't watch much hockey eh? I disagree with that comment but I do agree that todays bodybuilders are far from losers and calling them such.....I'm embaressed for the author. However, I prefer the older body styles because it has the appearance of the best a human body can be. WHile gear was obviously used back then, it is nothing at all like it is today and the older BB's still resembled humans. The bodies today while impressive in size and the dedication level, they are grotesque in their appearance. They are moving away from a human shape, to alien of sorts. The beauty is leaving the sport and the freak is replacing it in my opinion. I am beyond impressed at how they can transform their bodies thru chemicals and very hard work, but I'm also impressed by a really bad car wreck on the freeway...niether is a good thing and yet I can't turn my head.
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I dont know what you mean bro? you saying sports havent changed from what they used to be? any ways, bros this is a never ending debate. because we are no longer talking about right or wrong, we are talking about preference. i prefer ronnie. someone else prefers arnold. there is no way we can say who was better. because the criteria that we judge bodies by are totaly different. anyways, just wanted to talk about the whole waist thing. from what im reading some of you guys are mistaking waist width with gut distension. arnold did not have a small waist, it was pretty wide, but he did have no gut distension. ronnie has a small waist, but he has a gut distention. if ronnie was to lose the gut, his waist would be small. waist width depends on your genes, ronnie by nature is a symetrical guy, more symetrical than arnold, but the gut makes it look as if he has a big waist, thats not the case. look at gunter, to me his body (if he didnt use gh and slin and igf) resembles arnolds.
 
Its seems that the pro bodybuilders of yesteryear were more physically fit than alot of guys today who can barely walk a flight of steps without being winded. Alot of bodybuilders road thier bikes to the gym like arnold or tom platz, almost all of them worked out insane hours and so forth, maybe my assuption is wrong, but it just seems as though they were healthier and more physically fit.
 
How can anyone call what has happened with bodybuilding, progression? Guys are dying left and right. A lot of them need kidney transplants and have other problems as well.

And there has been no progress made in making the sport more popular, or getting more money for the 'athletes'. Lee Haney's last Olympia he won $120,000. Up until 04, Ronnie was getting $110,000. Only the past two years has he gotten $120,000. Shouldn't it have gone up by now?! What about lack of coverage? In the 80's and very early 90's espn would broadcast these shows. Now you might be able to catch the O or Arnold on Payperview.

Bodybuilding was a closet sport when it started. The guys were laughed at and got no respect at all. They fought hard to get their voice heard. They earned the respect over years of work. It wasn't until Pumping Iron that people really saw that bodybuilders weren't a bunch of freaks. Then came the fitness explosion. Now just about everyone has been to a gym at least once in their life. But the bodybuilders lost the respect, and went from being viewed as role models of what hard work can do, to what taking this, this and that can do. Jay Cutler said in an interview that he gets laughed at when he goes out. You have some kids on the boards thinking if they got huge like Ronnie they will have respect. I guess there goes that idea.

Bodybuilding is dying. AMI buying out most of the Weider empire pretty much sealed the deal on that. They will suck whatever money they can out of it, and then leave it for dead. There needs to be a big change, and fast. I doubt it will happen though, but let's keep our eye's on the mags to see who's dying next or needs a new kidney.
 
C3bodybuilding said:
How can anyone call what has happened with bodybuilding, progression? Guys are dying left and right. A lot of them need kidney transplants and have other problems as well.

And there has been no progress made in making the sport more popular, or getting more money for the 'athletes'. Lee Haney's last Olympia he won $120,000. Up until 04, Ronnie was getting $110,000. Only the past two years has he gotten $120,000. Shouldn't it have gone up by now?! What about lack of coverage? In the 80's and very early 90's espn would broadcast these shows. Now you might be able to catch the O or Arnold on Payperview.

Bodybuilding was a closet sport when it started. The guys were laughed at and got no respect at all. They fought hard to get their voice heard. They earned the respect over years of work. It wasn't until Pumping Iron that people really saw that bodybuilders weren't a bunch of freaks. Then came the fitness explosion. Now just about everyone has been to a gym at least once in their life. But the bodybuilders lost the respect, and went from being viewed as role models of what hard work can do, to what taking this, this and that can do. Jay Cutler said in an interview that he gets laughed at when he goes out. You have some kids on the boards thinking if they got huge like Ronnie they will have respect. I guess there goes that idea.

Bodybuilding is dying. AMI buying out most of the Weider empire pretty much sealed the deal on that. They will suck whatever money they can out of it, and then leave it for dead. There needs to be a big change, and fast. I doubt it will happen though, but let's keep our eye's on the mags to see who's dying next or needs a new kidney.
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hey bro
in my opinion when the word progression was used here it was just meant that it evolved into something else, meaning that it progressed towards larger more freaky looking bodies....i dont think progression in that sense can be deemed good or bad, just that it changed and i dont think you cant agree with that.....peace
 
How can anyone call what has happened with bodybuilding, progression? Guys are dying left and right. A lot of them need kidney transplants and have other problems as well.

And there has been no progress made in making the sport more popular, or getting more money for the 'athletes'. Lee Haney's last Olympia he won $120,000. Up until 04, Ronnie was getting $110,000. Only the past two years has he gotten $120,000. Shouldn't it have gone up by now?! What about lack of coverage? In the 80's and very early 90's espn would broadcast these shows. Now you might be able to catch the O or Arnold on Payperview.

Bodybuilding was a closet sport when it started. The guys were laughed at and got no respect at all. They fought hard to get their voice heard. They earned the respect over years of work. It wasn't until Pumping Iron that people really saw that bodybuilders weren't a bunch of freaks. Then came the fitness explosion. Now just about everyone has been to a gym at least once in their life. But the bodybuilders lost the respect, and went from being viewed as role models of what hard work can do, to what taking this, this and that can do. Jay Cutler said in an interview that he gets laughed at when he goes out. You have some kids on the boards thinking if they got huge like Ronnie they will have respect. I guess there goes that idea.

Bodybuilding is dying. AMI buying out most of the Weider empire pretty much sealed the deal on that. They will suck whatever money they can out of it, and then leave it for dead. There needs to be a big change, and fast. I doubt it will happen though, but let's keep our eye's on the mags to see who's dying next or needs a new kidney.
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You make a good arguement. but boops got it. you;re assuming progression means positive. it means evolve, change. so what i was saying is it progressed into something different, to me i like the new look, to some they dont. but it definetly progressed. and when we started to talk about it, it was solely on the look of bbers. noone mentioned money or coverage or health. thats a diff. topic all together. all we wrre saying is "do you like the new bodies or the old" and "bodies" meaning the out side not the health of their bodies inside. so although you make a convincing arguement, that simply isnt the topic we were discussing. at least i wasnt.
 
IMO ....
It is interesting to compare generations to learn. It seems each one had different values and goals reflecting what was going on in society.

The "Entertainment" factor is critical. Arnold saw this and ran with it ... more than the men from the 50's who inspired him. Perhaps today it has gone too far. I do not see the Champs of today going beyond BB shows.

I'd like to see a return to an emphasis on total body health as in the pic below. This won't happen.
 
bicepts101 said:
i just cant get over how great arnold looked....look at my avatar he is just simply amazing.

the guys of tday are amazing also. if they could only figure out a way around the gut i would have so much more respect
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arnold is the shit..straight up man all those guys from that era i have a lotta respect for. arnold is who i wanna look like, big but not overly big like coleman, but mad shredded...just overall sick genetics and sick work ethic. plus he had so much fun in the gym like when u watch pumping iron
 
loved arnold as stated, louie was the most impressive to me, thats as much of a freak as i think is necessary. i think this is a great thread different bros just giving their opinions no shit talking. k to all i can give it to
 
In the future we will probably stop complaining about all the slin and HGH the top pros are using today and start complaining about Gene doping and Genetic enhancements
 
bruce410 said:
loved arnold as stated, louie was the most impressive to me, thats as much of a freak as i think is necessary. i think this is a great thread different bros just giving their opinions no shit talking. k to all i can give it to
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it is a great thing when alot of different people can chime in with alot of different opinions and not have one person resort to talking shit....perhaps this is a PROGRESSION for this board LOL (couldnt resist)...anyway if and when i figure this karma thing out ill send some out...... :p
 
Thing about the new guys though is that in off season they are big fat pieces of shit and look like fat slobs. (just my opinion of course)
 
bruce410 said:
loved arnold as stated, louie was the most impressive to me, thats as much of a freak as i think is necessary. i think this is a great thread different bros just giving their opinions no shit talking. k to all i can give it to
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the most amazing thing about guys like Arnold and Lou were their height and ability to pack on the amount of size they did...

especially Lou, obviously...
 
MTS said:
In the future we will probably stop complaining about all the slin and HGH the top pros are using today and start complaining about Gene doping and Genetic enhancements
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..and whats ur point bro?....
 
My 2 sheckels:

I'll bet 50% of the population (women) pretty much unanimously favors old generation bodies over new ones. A lot of women don't like guys who are too big. After all, the psychological basis for a yardstick to judge beauty is the median characteristics of a population.

I think it's a little more complicated with BB though. IMO beauty and the appearance of strength are two different characteristics that make men attractive. They partly go hand in hand, but aren't one and the same. New generation BB's sacrifice some beauty for the visual implication of strength.

While men ARE sensitive to the attractiveness of other men, it exerts less influence on their perceptions than it does on those of women. So even though women are attracted to the appearance of strength, they weigh the aesthetic component more heavily than men do, and favor old generation bodies. Men weigh the strength component more heavily than women, since they are less sensitive to male attractiveness, and so it's understandable that there would be a lot of disagreement between men about what type of body is better since men are going to differ in their degress of sensitivty to male attractiveness and in the degree to which they value strength.
 
Anybody said:
My 2 sheckels:

I'll bet 50% of the population (women) pretty much unanimously favors old generation bodies over new ones. A lot of women don't like guys who are too big. After all, the psychological basis for a yardstick to judge beauty is the median characteristics of a population.

I think it's a little more complicated with BB though. IMO beauty and the appearance of strength are two different characteristics that make men attractive. They partly go hand in hand, but aren't one and the same. New generation BB's sacrifice some beauty for the visual implication of strength.

While men ARE sensitive to the attractiveness of other men, it exerts less influence on their perceptions than it does on those of women. So even though women are attracted to the appearance of strength, they weigh the aesthetic component more heavily than men do, and favor old generation bodies. Men weigh the strength component more heavily than women, since they are less sensitive to male attractiveness, and so it's understandable that there would be a lot of disagreement between men about what type of body is better since men are going to differ in their degress of sensitivty to male attractiveness and in the degree to which they value strength.
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does everything have to about women...should u alter ur passion cause the "majority" of women will not approve?.....no...i look at it like this, keep doing what u like if most of the women u meet dont approve dont sweat it cause there is still a bunch that dont care either way.
 
you're saying from that last post that women cont like the new bbs look right? so u are implying that we should not look like that for the sole purpose that the majority of women dont approve
 
does everything have to about women...should u alter ur passion cause the "majority" of women will not approve?.....no...i look at it like this, keep doing what u like if most of the women u meet dont approve dont sweat it cause there is still a bunch that dont care either way.
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There you have it. i totally agree. and we also have to look at bbing as a sport and not a hoby. when ronnie hits 300lbs, thats the same as a baseball player hitting homeruns, boxers improving their punch, basketball players improving their shot. it has nothing to do with women. it has to do with the requirement of the sport. but when you look at bbing like a hobby to looks better and have a nice beach body, then women become an issue (the main issue for some guys). but you have to understand that this is certainly not the case in bbing.
 
bicepts101 said:
you're saying from that last post that women cont like the new bbs look right? so u are implying that we should not look like that for the sole purpose that the majority of women dont approve
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I'm not saying that BB's shouldnt look like the hulk. Search my post for that opinion, it isn't there! I happen to be a Coleman fan, so don't put words in my mouth. Anyway, weren't you posting about old school looks better?

I'm explaining my opinion about why different types of bodies appeal to different people. Women count as people (outside of Eastern countries). So I don't think their opinion about what kind of body looks good is irrelevant (should we ignore 50% of the population when we ask "what kind of body looks the best?").

I'm not talking about what the goals of BB should be. What I'm talking about is how there are different things about muscular bodies that different people like. It's not just women, lots of men also prefer a more harmonious, well-proportioned body instead of cartoonish hugeness, and IMO that's rooted in the same aesthetic sensibility that attracts women. But there's obviously a lot to be said for a look that conveys raw power in the most extreme way humanly possible. I personally think Coleman looks badass (especially for a 40 year old!!), and I'd give him Olympia over Arnold in his prime, but plenty of people disagree with me. I'm trying to explain what i think is the basis for that disagreement.
 
It is always difficult to overcome the pioneers in thier respective fields. Arnold and company put bodybuilding on the map. There is no way to fairly compare the new breed of bodybuilders with the old.

It's sort of like comparing a Boss 429 Mustang with the new Mustang. The new one is faster and handles better but, you just can't beat the Boss.


Just my nickels worth.
 
LT3 said:
There you have it. i totally agree. and we also have to look at bbing as a sport and not a hoby. when ronnie hits 300lbs, thats the same as a baseball player hitting homeruns, boxers improving their punch, basketball players improving their shot. it has nothing to do with women. it has to do with the requirement of the sport. but when you look at bbing like a hobby to looks better and have a nice beach body, then women become an issue (the main issue for some guys). but you have to understand that this is certainly not the case in bbing.
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i agree bro

i just lift for the look but the look i look for is the one i disire not all women. i have had women tell me they dont like muscle at all....wierd to me cuase i love it...so i told those chicks to hit the road. now i have a women that does my injects for me. its great
 
Anybody said:
I'm not saying that BB's shouldnt look like the hulk. Search my post for that opinion, it isn't there! I happen to be a Coleman fan, so don't put words in my mouth. Anyway, weren't you posting about old school looks better?

I'm explaining my opinion about why different types of bodies appeal to different people. Women count as people (outside of Eastern countries). So I don't think their opinion about what kind of body looks good is irrelevant (should we ignore 50% of the population when we ask "what kind of body looks the best?").

I'm not talking about what the goals of BB should be. What I'm talking about is how there are different things about muscular bodies that different people like. It's not just women, lots of men also prefer a more harmonious, well-proportioned body instead of cartoonish hugeness, and IMO that's rooted in the same aesthetic sensibility that attracts women. But there's obviously a lot to be said for a look that conveys raw power in the most extreme way humanly possible. I personally think Coleman looks badass (especially for a 40 year old!!), and I'd give him Olympia over Arnold in his prime, but plenty of people disagree with me. I'm trying to explain what i think is the basis for that disagreement.
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..and you are right i prefer that look also bro...but u are missing my point. who cares what women think it shouldnt matter.
 
bicepts101 said:
..and whats ur point bro?....
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my point is that..everyone is praising old time bodybuilders because they didnt have a GH gut...im sure back in arnold's day people were complaining about AAS making them look unnatural...
Basically we will always find something to complain about whether it be AAS, GH or gene manipulation in the future. So, when the future comes im sure people are going to look back at Ronnie and say "the perfect body (ronnie)" in a thread and start talking about how good he looked compaired to the "gene manipulators" now
 
I would never put myself through what I do for any other person, but myself. I don't give a fuck what women find attractive. If I did I would never have touched a weight. I would have starved myself and looked like Brad Pitt-skinny, but lean... ;)

I've never understood people that train and diet for women. Most women don't give a fuck about it and they don't like very much muscle. You should be training for yourself.
 
like buying a car or bike to impress bitches, fuck that buy the one that most impresses you for you.

the one guy i know who gets the most pussy, has not much muscle, a slightly above average job and a very very average car but dude gets so much pussy it aint funny.
 
heavy_duty said:
like buying a car or bike to impress bitches, fuck that buy the one that most impresses you for you.

the one guy i know who gets the most pussy, has not much muscle, a slightly above average job and a very very average car but dude gets so much pussy it aint funny.
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lol everyone knows at least one dude like that.
 
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Anybody said:
My 2 sheckels:

I'll bet 50% of the population (women) pretty much unanimously favors old generation bodies over new ones. A lot of women don't like guys who are too big. After all, the psychological basis for a yardstick to judge beauty is the median characteristics of a population.

I think it's a little more complicated with BB though. IMO beauty and the appearance of strength are two different characteristics that make men attractive. They partly go hand in hand, but aren't one and the same. New generation BB's sacrifice some beauty for the visual implication of strength.

While men ARE sensitive to the attractiveness of other men, it exerts less influence on their perceptions than it does on those of women. So even though women are attracted to the appearance of strength, they weigh the aesthetic component more heavily than men do, and favor old generation bodies. Men weigh the strength component more heavily than women, since they are less sensitive to male attractiveness, and so it's understandable that there would be a lot of disagreement between men about what type of body is better since men are going to differ in their degress of sensitivty to male attractiveness and in the degree to which they value strength.
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You like men. :rainbow:

JK bro...good post.
 
Anybody said:
I'm not saying that BB's shouldnt look like the hulk. Search my post for that opinion, it isn't there! I happen to be a Coleman fan, so don't put words in my mouth. Anyway, weren't you posting about old school looks better?

I'm explaining my opinion about why different types of bodies appeal to different people. Women count as people (outside of Eastern countries). So I don't think their opinion about what kind of body looks good is irrelevant (should we ignore 50% of the population when we ask "what kind of body looks the best?").

I'm not talking about what the goals of BB should be. What I'm talking about is how there are different things about muscular bodies that different people like. It's not just women, lots of men also prefer a more harmonious, well-proportioned body instead of cartoonish hugeness, and IMO that's rooted in the same aesthetic sensibility that attracts women. But there's obviously a lot to be said for a look that conveys raw power in the most extreme way humanly possible. I personally think Coleman looks badass (especially for a 40 year old!!), and I'd give him Olympia over Arnold in his prime, but plenty of people disagree with me. I'm trying to explain what i think is the basis for that disagreement.
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I agree.
 
bicepts101 said:
..and you are right i prefer that look also bro...but u are missing my point. who cares what women think it shouldnt matter.
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If you are a heterosexual, I think what women think does matter to about 99% of the men out there. The other 1% are at home playing video games. It may not be your main reason for working out, but it does factor into the equasion. I work out mainly for my job (strength) but I also like to look good (and I do) and even though I am happily married, it is ncie to get the looks from women. If you don't admit that you are either lying or gay....or a lying gay. :p
 
heavy_duty said:
like buying a car or bike to impress bitches, fuck that buy the one that most impresses you for you.

the one guy i know who gets the most pussy, has not much muscle, a slightly above average job and a very very average car but dude gets so much pussy it aint funny.
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A BIKE????? WTF? LOL "Hey ladies...check out my new schwin "screamer". It's got foot pegs and an anatomically correct seat for my....well you know." :nerd:
 
It's a very feminine thing to need constant positive re-enforcement from the opposite sex based on how you look.

Now, the funny thing is that the bbers of yesteryear used to bulk up. A LOT. Like 50+ lbs of dbol laced blubber when they weren't competing.. I blame joe weider but seriously, it's fucked if some of you are thinking bbers should be walking around at 5% all the time.. That's a fantastic way to stay at under 200lbs all your life unless you have dexter jackson's genetics.

personally, mentzer is perfect to me but todays guys are jaw dropping. Maybe not cute like those A&F models, but fuck, that's progression for you.
 
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If you are a heterosexual, I think what women think does matter to about 99% of the men out there. The other 1% are at home playing video games. It may not be your main reason for working out, but it does factor into the equasion. I work out mainly for my job (strength) but I also like to look good (and I do) and even though I am happily married, it is ncie to get the looks from women. If you don't admit that you are either lying or gay....or a lying gay. :p
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i know bro but u get my point
 
I prefer the look of the earlier years of body building. I have never seen a pro up close until about 2 weeks ago in vegas I ran into jay cutler. That dude is so huge in person it was unreal he looked like a cartoon. When guys get that big I think it takes alot to get used to that look. They dont look anything like they do in the mags.
 
Favorite pumping iron moment: when arnold says "its almost there" back when it was an art and you sculpted your body
 
Arnold really was one of a kind. Who else could look that massive at 6'2 and only 232lbs (his contest weight in Pumping Iron). At his biggest he was 242 on stage (1974) and the lightest 227 (1980 O). Yet he looks amazingly huge for such a tall guy and light weight. Maybe it's the small waist (and yes 34 inches on a tall man is small. Sure dexter has a 27inch waist, but the guy is also a midget, 5'8 or something), big pecs, huge calves with athletic thighs and bulging biceps. Those key bodyparts all flowing together I think gave Arnold an illusion of being bigger than he really was. Even in movies he looked big and he couldn't have been more than 215-220 in those cheesy 80 films.
 
Why compare Arnold with Ronnie?The guys in the 70's looked the way they looked because that was the biggest they could get back then.Yes,there was more emphasize on aesthetics and symmetry and their body was more pleasing to the eye.Today with all the new stuff around it is possible to come in more bigger.Although not very pleasing,guys walking around with guts but they are much bigger than bbers of earlier years.The thing is that everything changes with time.Just imagine if ronnie was competing in the 70's,how would he look?Obviously he would be smaller,more aesthetic,wont have a gut and could easily execute a vacuum pose.Now lets bring arnold to today and how would he look?He would be much bigger,less symmetrical and would be walking around with a gut.Why?Because size matters these days and to win you have to do whatever necessary to win even if u end up looking freaky.

So,you cant compare these guys and call modern bodybuilders losers because all of them are doing what it takes to win and not to impress someone else.If all the stuff we have today was available back then,all those 70's guys will be much bigger and less symmetrical.
 
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