The Naturals

[Sim882]

All true. US is the most excessively moralistic, religious country in the developed world and has extremely high abortion, teen pregnancy, high homicide rate etc. So I agree with Tat that it wouldn't necessarily follow the liberal drug laws means rampant steroid use.

For someone who has no interest in ever taking roids, and couldn't tell if someone was on them or not except in extreme cases, what do most people consider then to be best legitimate natural physique? Is Tom Venuto for example believed in his natty claims?

Where ever there is less prohibition, something odd happens, the opposite to what you expect happens

For example, Holland and liberal drug laws, there are far fewer Dutch people that smoke dope or use, most of the junkies, pot heads and every weekend x users are foreign nationals.

The Scandinavian countries have great sex education, they even use 'porn' for discussion. Teen pregnancies and STDs are lowest in these countries.

Heroin-user have been given clean and safe shooting galleries in Germany and Switzerland, the number of junkies has decreased.

The same happened (and crime went down), when they did the same in Mersyside in England (this has been trialed twice in England, same result, the moral majority hates it enough to end it though).

 

[Tatyana]

This thread has been moved a few times now. Thought the ladies might like a few pics of the lads.

I must admit, I do find the whole 'he's not natural' disbelief a bit depressing.

There are some lads I KNOW are natural and get in awesome condition.

There are several distinctions to be made in natural federations though.

There are very few that are natural for life. The NPA - Natural Physique Association in the UK is one. I think it has sister organisations around the world called the ANA (All Natural Association?).

The BNBF, WNBF, INBF (British - World - International Natural Bodybuilding Federation) have either 5, 7 or 10 years clear of use.

MuscleMania is two or three years clean.

Considering how some people jump into using AAS before they really know what they are doing, and don't keep their gains, I think this is fair.

What I would love to see, instead of the disbelief, that 'it just isn't possible', is to ask 'If they are natural and look like that, just what in the HELL are they doing?'

 

[OMEGA]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/7855684-post1.html

 

[Tatyana]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/7855684-post1.html

Exactly.

I also noticed within the first five posts someone asked what AAS you are using.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Tatyana you look great. Thanks for sharing your pictures.
I'm not calling you are anyone else a fraud. I know I couldn't get that cut and hard without serious pharmacuticals. Heck, probably not even with life threatening doseages.
By natural is the universal definition no drugs? Not diuretics, thyroid, clenbuteral, roids, testt, slin, nolva, plasma expanders, ect.?

 

[OMEGA]

Exactly.

I also noticed within the first five posts someone asked what anabolic androgenic steroids you are using.

yep lol

Supps were Key as was training Method

ps

 

[Tatyana]

Tatyana you look great. Thanks for sharing your pictures.
I'm not calling you are anyone else a fraud. I know I couldn't get that cut and hard without serious pharmacuticals. Heck, probably not even with life threatening doseages.
By natural is the universal definition no drugs? Not diuretics, thyroid, clenbuteral, steroids, testt, insulin, Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - , plasma expanders, ect.?

A good rule of thumb for natural is seven years clean.

My last coach called me one of the few 'true naturals' she knows.

As I mentioned there are a few natural for life federations.

There are many ways to dehydrate naturally without diuretics, not all of them are necessarily that much safer, and you do have to be careful with whatever method you use.

Most of the natural federations use the IOC (International Olympic Committee) and WADA (World Anti-Doping Association) policies.

Here are the WNBF/INBF (world/international natural bodybuilding federation) list of banned substances.

In all honesty, you have to be pretty clued up, as even things like herbs like ephedra and the related sida cordifolia (ephedra alkaloids) and some flu strength cold medicines with pseudoephedrine are not allowed or could have you test positive.


2008 LIST OF WNBF BANNED SUBSTANCES

(Effective 1/1/08)

The following substances and related compounds are banned by the World Natural Bodybuilding Federation (WNBF) and their use constitutes grounds for dismissal from WNBF Pro Natural Competitions and suspension from membership privileges in the organization for a period of seven years from the failure date. This list is effective January 1, 2007.

ANABOLIC STEROIDS. All Anabolic Steroids, including but not limited to bolasterone, boldenone, chioroxomesterone (dyhdrochlormethyltesterone), clostebol, fluoxymesterone, mesterolone, methandienone, methyltestosterone, nandrolone, norethandrolone, oxandrolone, oxymetholone, stanozolol, testosterone and all other related compounds, are strictly banned.

TESTOSTERONE (injections, patches, gels) in any form or for any reason, even if under a doctor’s prescription.

TESTOSTERONE/EPITESTOSTERONE RATIO. The T/E ratio is used to measure the presence of exogenous testosterone, or illicit elevation of testosterone levels. A T/E ratio in excess of 6/1 is ruled as positive, no matter what the cause. Note: Should the use of any substance cause an elevated T/E ratio in excess of the 6/1 limit, the athlete will be ruled as positive (failure).

GROWTH HORMONES (PHARMACEUTICAL HGH, HCG and any other related compounds). Oral, spray or sublingual GH compounds of pharmaceutical origin are banned effective January 1, 2001.

HORMONES, PROHORMONES AND ALL PRECURSORS & METABOLITES, DERIVATIVES & RELATED COMPOUNDS. The use of any hormone (injectable, oral, sublingual or otherwise) for bodybuilding purposes – including insulin – is prohibited.

•All hormonal precursors (DHEA, androstenedione; 19-norandrostenedione; androstenediol; 5-AD; androstene-TRIONE; 17-androdione; etc.) are banned effective January 1, 2000. (Includes Novadex, Superdrol, Halodrol, Methyl-1, etc.)

NOTE: 7-Keto DHEA is NO LONGER banned (effective 6/1/07) by the WNBF.

•All other additional hormonal supplements (6-OXO; 6-OXO-androstenetrione; 2a,17a-dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one; 3, 17-keto-etiochol-triene; 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione; 3-Alpha (5a-androstane-3a,17b-diol); etc.) have been identified as prohormonal in nature as of January 1, 2004, and are banned effective January 1, 2004. (Includes Novadex, Superdrol, Halodrol, Methyl-1, Forza-T, etc.)

•Fat-Burning Prohormone Derivatives such as 3,17-dihydroxy-delta-5-etiocholane-7-one (A7-D), and 3,17-dihydroxy-delta-5-etiocholane-7-one diethylcarbonate (A7-E) are banned effective January 1, 2007. (Includes Hot Rox, Fahrenheit, etc.)

•Pro-Steroids are banned as of January 1, 2000. They are marketed as not being prohormonal, but they ARE. (Includes 1-Test, etc.)

•Prescription Thyroid Hormone Medication when used for bodybuilding purposes is banned.

•The presence of any banned substance in the urine (i.e., nandrolone, etc.), no matter how it arrived, is ruled as a positive (failure).

NOTE: BE SURE TO CHECK ALL INGREDIENTS LISTS OF SUPPLEMENTS BEFORE USING THEM! (E-mail questions to [email protected].)

PRESCRIPTION DIURETICS. Any and all prescription weight-loss substances and diuretics used for bodybuilding purposes, even when physician-prescribed, are banned by the WNBF.

EPHEDRINE, EPHEDRA AND ALL RELATED COMPOUNDS are banned effective July 1, 2004.

PSYCHOMOTOR STIMULANTS such as amphetamines, speed, cocaine or other stimulants when used for bodybuilding purposes.

MUSCLE IMPLANTS OF ANY KIND are strictly prohibited. BREAST IMPLANTS for females are not banned.

CHEMICALS/DRUGS FOR THE PURPOSE OF DECEIVING OR PASSING THE POLYGRAPH OR URINE TEST.

CLENBUTEROL AND GHB (since 1992).

ANY ILLEGAL OR ILLICIT BODYBUILDING DRUG OR SUBSTANCE AS DECREED BY U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.

ANY FDA-BANNED SUBSTANCE, EXCEPT IF SPECIFICALLY OTHERWISE INDICATED.

ANY IOC- OR WADA-BANNED SUBSTANCE, EXCEPT IF SPECIFICALLY OTHERWISE INDICATED.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Props to anyone who can look that great while passing a drug test for such a comprehesive list of substances.
I believe the IOC has banned most asthma medications (albuteral, serevent,ect.) which leaves me out from the get go. Not that I have any natural bodybuilding aspirations.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

so your saying in england most of the anabolic androgenic steroids users are foreign nationals?

this wouldnt suprise me actually

Like Americans having a place in mexico just to juice. I do believe Layne Norton is natural but most of the other guys not so much. The #1 thing to being a good bodybuilder is good genetics any of the top guys natural or not are going to be blessed in the genetics department. However in my opnion there is a certain look that can only be achieved with AAS some those guys have that look hence me questionin there natural status.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

A good rule of thumb for natural is seven years clean.

My last coach called me one of the few 'true naturals' she knows.

As I mentioned there are a few natural for life federations.

There are many ways to dehydrate naturally without diuretics, not all of them are necessarily that much safer, and you do have to be careful with whatever method you use.

Most of the natural federations use the IOC (International Olympic Committee) and WADA (World Anti-Doping Association) policies.

Here are the WNBF/INBF (world/international natural bodybuilding federation) list of banned substances.

In all honesty, you have to be pretty clued up, as even things like herbs like ephedra and the related sida cordifolia (ephedra alkaloids) and some flu strength cold medicines with pseudoephedrine are not allowed or could have you test positive.


2008 LIST OF WNBF BANNED SUBSTANCES

(Effective 1/1/08)

The following substances and related compounds are banned by the World Natural Bodybuilding Federation (WNBF) and their use constitutes grounds for dismissal from WNBF Pro Natural Competitions and suspension from membership privileges in the organization for a period of seven years from the failure date. This list is effective January 1, 2007.

ANABOLIC STEROIDS. All Anabolic Steroids, including but not limited to bolasterone, boldenone, chioroxomesterone (dyhdrochlormethyltesterone), clostebol, fluoxymesterone, mesterolone, methandienone, methyltestosterone, nandrolone, norethandrolone, oxandrolone, oxymetholone, stanozolol, testosterone and all other related compounds, are strictly banned.

TESTOSTERONE (injections, patches, gels) in any form or for any reason, even if under a doctor’s prescription.

TESTOSTERONE/EPITESTOSTERONE RATIO. The T/E ratio is used to measure the presence of exogenous testosterone, or illicit elevation of testosterone levels. A T/E ratio in excess of 6/1 is ruled as positive, no matter what the cause. Note: Should the use of any substance cause an elevated T/E ratio in excess of the 6/1 limit, the athlete will be ruled as positive (failure).

GROWTH HORMONES (PHARMACEUTICAL human growth hormone - somatropin - , HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - and any other related compounds). Oral, spray or sublingual gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - compounds of pharmaceutical origin are banned effective January 1, 2001.

HORMONES, PROHORMONES AND ALL PRECURSORS & METABOLITES, DERIVATIVES & RELATED COMPOUNDS. The use of any hormone (injectable, oral, sublingual or otherwise) for bodybuilding purposes – including insulin – is prohibited.

•All hormonal precursors (DHEA, androstenedione; 19-norandrostenedione; androstenediol; 5-AD; androstene-TRIONE; 17-androdione; etc.) are banned effective January 1, 2000. (Includes Novadex, Superdrol, Halodrol, Methyl-1, etc.)

NOTE: 7-Keto DHEA is NO LONGER banned (effective 6/1/07) by the WNBF.

•All other additional hormonal supplements (6-OXO; 6-OXO-androstenetrione; 2a,17a-dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one; 3, 17-keto-etiochol-triene; 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione; 3-Alpha (5a-androstane-3a,17b-diol); etc.) have been identified as prohormonal in nature as of January 1, 2004, and are banned effective January 1, 2004. (Includes Novadex, Superdrol, Halodrol, Methyl-1, Forza-T, etc.)

•Fat-Burning Prohormone Derivatives such as 3,17-dihydroxy-delta-5-etiocholane-7-one (A7-D), and 3,17-dihydroxy-delta-5-etiocholane-7-one diethylcarbonate (A7-E) are banned effective January 1, 2007. (Includes Hot Rox, Fahrenheit, etc.)

•Pro-Steroids are banned as of January 1, 2000. They are marketed as not being prohormonal, but they ARE. (Includes 1-Test, etc.)

•Prescription Thyroid Hormone Medication when used for bodybuilding purposes is banned.

•The presence of any banned substance in the urine (i.e., nandrolone, etc.), no matter how it arrived, is ruled as a positive (failure).

NOTE: BE SURE TO CHECK ALL INGREDIENTS LISTS OF SUPPLEMENTS BEFORE USING THEM! (E-mail questions to [email protected].)

PRESCRIPTION DIURETICS. Any and all prescription weight-loss substances and diuretics used for bodybuilding purposes, even when physician-prescribed, are banned by the WNBF.

EPHEDRINE, EPHEDRA AND ALL RELATED COMPOUNDS are banned effective July 1, 2004.

PSYCHOMOTOR STIMULANTS such as amphetamines, speed, cocaine or other stimulants when used for bodybuilding purposes.

MUSCLE IMPLANTS OF ANY KIND are strictly prohibited. BREAST IMPLANTS for females are not banned.

CHEMICALS/DRUGS FOR THE PURPOSE OF DECEIVING OR PASSING THE POLYGRAPH OR URINE TEST.

CLENBUTEROL AND GHB - gamma hydroxybutyric - (since 1992).

ANY ILLEGAL OR ILLICIT BODYBUILDING DRUG OR SUBSTANCE AS DECREED BY U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.

ANY FDA-BANNED SUBSTANCE, EXCEPT IF SPECIFICALLY OTHERWISE INDICATED.

ANY IOC- OR WADA-BANNED SUBSTANCE, EXCEPT IF SPECIFICALLY OTHERWISE INDICATED.

How do they test at these shows? I know a few friends that compete in natural federations and the testing policies are a complete joke. It is all well in good to have natural org but the sure as hell better have a good testing system in place and test everyone one not just the winner and a random.