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letsrun4it

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Hi everyone,

First I wanted to say thanks I've picked up a lot from reading your posts. I am planning on doing my first cycle shortly and was planning an oral only cycle first because I do not have any knowledge of injections nor do I know anybody who can teach me how to inject. If there is a way to learn this online, some kind of tutorial please point me in that direction because I know most of you agree that oral cycles are no good.

That said I was planning on doing my first cycle of dbol and winny. Pyramiding them up and down averaging 30mg of dbol and 25mg of winny for 12 weeks. If you think this is ok or if something is wrong with this let me know. I was planning on at least 1 liver protectant if you want to offer advice here I'd like to hear it.

Also, what about PCT? One poster on here mentioned Nolva/Clomid after just such a cycle that I'm purposing. For a long time I was under the impression the main use of PCT was for cycles with test, but from what I understand any AAS should be followed by PCT, correct?

My background (so you guys know I'm not a 16 year old lacrosse player)

Age: 22
Goals: Simply to feel stronger, have no desire to reach competitive levels ever (But I idolize those of you who do) I'm a hard gainer, natural body weight around 160 pounds. I'm 177 right now. 5'11"
Lifting Experience: 2 years serious lifting, last 9 months haven't left the plan for a day.
Diet: Could be much better but I definitely eat enough, get all the vitamins, protein I need.
Lifting supplements: CEE

Ok 1 last thing so I don't have to ask in another thread. I used to take 1-TEST made by VPX before it was banned. If not taking steroids was a 0 and taking them is a 10 would something along those lines be a 2? or what?

Thanks so much, I look forward to some good advice.
 
letsrun4it said:
Hi everyone,

First I wanted to say thanks I've picked up a lot from reading your posts. I am planning on doing my first cycle shortly and was planning an oral only cycle first because I do not have any knowledge of injections nor do I know anybody who can teach me how to inject. If there is a way to learn this online, some kind of tutorial please point me in that direction because I know most of you agree that oral cycles are no good.

That said I was planning on doing my first cycle of dbol and winny. Pyramiding them up and down averaging 30mg of dbol and 25mg of winny for 12 weeks. If you think this is ok or if something is wrong with this let me know. I was planning on at least 1 liver protectant if you want to offer advice here I'd like to hear it.

Also, what about PCT? One poster on here mentioned Nolva/Clomid after just such a cycle that I'm purposing. For a long time I was under the impression the main use of PCT was for cycles with test, but from what I understand any AAS should be followed by PCT, correct?

My background (so you guys know I'm not a 16 year old lacrosse player)

Age: 22
Goals: Simply to feel stronger, have no desire to reach competitive levels ever (But I idolize those of you who do) I'm a hard gainer, natural body weight around 160 pounds. I'm 177 right now. 5'11"
Lifting Experience: 2 years serious lifting, last 9 months haven't left the plan for a day.
Diet: Could be much better but I definitely eat enough, get all the vitamins, protein I need.
Lifting supplements: CEE

Ok 1 last thing so I don't have to ask in another thread. I used to take 1-TEST made by VPX before it was banned. If not taking steroids was a 0 and taking them is a 10 would something along those lines be a 2? or what?

Thanks so much, I look forward to some good advice.
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2 17 AA orals in one cycle....is not a good idea at all..in fact you need to forget about that cycle....That being said I noticed you said you eat "enough" believe it or not we have come across alot of people that claim they eat alot...trust me...write everything down you eat, cals..carbs...protein...you will see that your not eating enough...here is a link on how to inject.

http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm
 
I agree Sword. I can't tell you how many clients I've had tell me that they are eating enough. Everytime when I have them count it out it comes out low. I have them eat more on a consistent basis and like magic they start gaining again.
 
If you just wanna feel stronger and don't wanna do injections, then I suggest ditching the d-bol and winny and just taking anavar 50-60mgs a day. Alot of people lose what they get off the d-bol, and winny by itself can make the joints a little testy. Also, taking both of those together is kinda hard on the liver. Even advanced users would usually take a break or bridge between two orals like that. The anavar will probably give you as much strength, it'll be easy on the liver, and you should keep most of what you get as long as you keep training and eating. Like some of the others said, your diet might not be as good as you think. I just made out a new diet that I feel like is pretty solid, but I'm gonna post it on the diet forum to get extra input. You might wanna head over there and post yours just to get some outside advice on some ways to improve it. Also, this being your first cycle means you have the most potential for results off one right now. Don't blow it. You might wanna take the time to learn to do injections and start off with a test cycle as your first instead of a light oral one. Just my opinion though. You won't be dissapointed with anavar.
 
letsrun4it said:
Hi everyone,

First I wanted to say thanks I've picked up a lot from reading your posts. I am planning on doing my first cycle shortly and was planning an oral only cycle first because I do not have any knowledge of injections nor do I know anybody who can teach me how to inject. If there is a way to learn this online, some kind of tutorial please point me in that direction because I know most of you agree that oral cycles are no good.

That said I was planning on doing my first cycle of dbol and winny. Pyramiding them up and down averaging 30mg of dbol and 25mg of winny for 12 weeks. If you think this is ok or if something is wrong with this let me know. I was planning on at least 1 liver protectant if you want to offer advice here I'd like to hear it.

Also, what about PCT? One poster on here mentioned Nolva/Clomid after just such a cycle that I'm purposing. For a long time I was under the impression the main use of PCT was for cycles with test, but from what I understand any AAS should be followed by PCT, correct?

My background (so you guys know I'm not a 16 year old lacrosse player)

Age: 22
Goals: Simply to feel stronger, have no desire to reach competitive levels ever (But I idolize those of you who do) I'm a hard gainer, natural body weight around 160 pounds. I'm 177 right now. 5'11"
Lifting Experience: 2 years serious lifting, last 9 months haven't left the plan for a day.
Diet: Could be much better but I definitely eat enough, get all the vitamins, protein I need.
Lifting supplements: CEE

Ok 1 last thing so I don't have to ask in another thread. I used to take 1-TEST made by VPX before it was banned. If not taking steroids was a 0 and taking them is a 10 would something along those lines be a 2? or what?

Thanks so much, I look forward to some good advice.
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letsrun thats funny that i came acroos your thread cause aqbout the same stats as you, only im 27 but im about 165pds 5'11 and also about to start my first cycle on monday the only diff is that i am starting with a deca test cycle, luckly i have means to get injected, but like the experts here say if im going to start i wanna get the best result from the beginning you know, but anyhow, i wanna wish you luck and hope that whichever cycle you decided on works for you, we should keep in touch to let everybody knows our progress....no?
 
Ok I think I will go to the injectables which is what I wanted to do all along because its been clear from reading on here its the preferred route. I'm not at all afraid of needle pain or anything but I read somewhere talking about injecting saying you gotta be sure you get it in the exact right place or you're gonna die (basically). I'm glad you guys are assuring me its no big deal.

I eat almost 5000 calories a day, which I know to some may sound like an exaggeration but it's not. I used to be a competitive runner and my metabolism is unreal, over time it should go down but for now my body is still burning like I was all those years running. I get free meat (girlfriend's dad is a butcher) which is a cool hookup, I go through about 2 pounds of ground meat per day.
 
Sword pretty much captured it. I don't like running 17aa for 12 weeks either... PCT - it's not just for test. ALL AAS can have a negative effect on your natural hormone levels; the extent will vary from person to person. As for the PH's you took - they have similar sides too AAS but the gains are minimal.
 
Ok guys I'm really appreciating this help. So injectable the way to go for the 1st cycle, I'll just have to deal with it and learn how to do it.

So how does this stack sound:
25 mg Anavar daily
200mg Test E taken twice (400mg/week)
200mg deca once per week
12 weeks?

Too much for a 1st timer? Not the right compliments to test?
If this is a go, what kind of PCT should I use? Should I start while I'm still taking?
 
hey bro, dont be afraid to inject. its scarry at first but after the first poke its all down hill. there is a hundred different postings on this site that tell you how to inject. if u imagine on of you cheeks is quarter'd up(four squares) than u want to inject in the upper outer square-right into the muscle. now ur not injecting into a vein(u shouldnt be anyway) so air bubbles are not as dangerous as if u were slamming some H or some shit. when using oil-based aa's like deca its almost impossible to get every bubble out anyway. when u have the desired amount in your dart-squeeze a lil bit to get all the big bubbles out. then, when u stick urself u aspirate(some say crucial, some say not) this is pulling instead of pushing the plunger. if u draw blood-ur in a vein. pull out and try again. usually youll just draw more air bubbles(again not life threatening amounts) so if u get air-your good. slowly inject the gear into ur muscle, and ur done.. when finished, pull out-rub with alcohol-then patch up if you bleed. its easier than u think. good luck, bro. let us know how it works out. :garza:
 
letsrun4it said:
Ok guys I'm really appreciating this help. So injectable the way to go for the 1st cycle, I'll just have to deal with it and learn how to do it.

So how does this stack sound:
25 mg Anavar daily
200mg Test E taken twice (400mg/week)
200mg deca once per week
12 weeks?

Too much for a 1st timer? Not the right compliments to test?
If this is a go, what kind of PCT should I use? Should I start while I'm still taking?
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That's a good looking cycle. You don't need to run the var for the full 12wks though. You actually don't have to run it at all unless you have the extra funds and want the extra strength boost. Being your first cycle, the test and deca will give you some good gains. But if you wanna take the var, by all means do it. Just do it for maybe six weeks instead of the entire 12. You could even take winny instead of var for say the last six weeks of that cycle. It'll save you some money over the var, plus it'll increase the amount of free test you have in your body from the test E. If you were gonna only take an oral, then var would be my choice hands down. But if you are looking to take an oral with test/deca, then I'd go with some winny for a portion of it. My last cycle was testE 500mg wk/ deca 250mg/wk both for 9 wks and 40mg of winny daily for about five wks and I made big gains in strength and bodyweight. Took some arimidex to block water during cycle.
 
JumpBallWinner said:
That's a good looking cycle. You don't need to run the var for the full 12wks though. You actually don't have to run it at all unless you have the extra funds and want the extra strength boost. Being your first cycle, the test and deca will give you some good gains. But if you wanna take the var, by all means do it. Just do it for maybe six weeks instead of the entire 12. You could even take winny instead of var for say the last six weeks of that cycle. It'll save you some money over the var, plus it'll increase the amount of free test you have in your body from the test E. If you were gonna only take an oral, then var would be my choice hands down. But if you are looking to take an oral with test/deca, then I'd go with some winny for a portion of it. My last cycle was testE 500mg wk/ deca 250mg/wk both for 9 wks and 40mg of winny daily for about five wks and I made big gains in strength and bodyweight. Took some arimidex to block water during cycle.
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Thanks for the help. Maybe I have a weird source but for me Var is cheaper than Winny. Odd.
 
Test E 500mg split into 2 shots for 10 weeks
anti E
PCT

simple and very effective, especially for first cycle. make sure you have pct straight. there are more knowledgable guys then me on pct, so im sure they can help you more then I will be able to
Good luck
 
letsrun4it said:
Ok guys I'm really appreciating this help. So injectable the way to go for the 1st cycle, I'll just have to deal with it and learn how to do it.

So how does this stack sound:
25 mg Anavar daily
200mg Test E taken twice (400mg/week)
200mg deca once per week
12 weeks?

Too much for a 1st timer? Not the right compliments to test?
If this is a go, what kind of PCT should I use? Should I start while I'm still taking?
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http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=81
read the stickkies at the top, good info

Here some of my thoughts.
w 1-12 400mg test e or c (2 shot split)
w 3-14 var 25mg ED
Start Pct immediately after var is done,
day 1-10 40mg nolva ED + 50mg clomid
10-30 20mg ED + 50mg clomid
you can also use the var week 5-14 at a slightly higher dosage, might not kill the cholestrol as bad.
 
LVTitan said:
great site, i just spent like half an hour there !!!
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I find that adding the food I eat all the time, like Natural Peanut Butter, Low Fat Cottage Cheese, Skim Milk, Protein Powder, etc. is easier as you KNOW the nutritional facts are correct and it's easier to get to because it's in your "Custom Food" pull down. I've been using this site every day for months!
 
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