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NorCalBdyBldr
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"I dont know of many cemetaries in the US with French bodies lined up due to their effortrs to help us in any war. "
Too bad you didn't learn any history when you were in school or maybe YOU would know something about the way things are. Let's see, how many years did Ben Franklin lobby in Paris during the revolutionary war in order to get the French involved? Ever hear of the Battle of Yorktown, VA where the French fleet cut off the supplies and ultimately the retreat of British General Cornwallis? That was THE critical moment of the war. It is a WELL known and accepted historical fact that had the French not intervened during the American Revolutionary War, that we would not have succeeded in gaining independence from the British. Not that the French did it out of the "goodness of their hearts" though either. It was an old blood feud between them and the British and they just took advantage of a bad situation for the British to screw them over and help screw them out of some of their colonies just the way the British had done to them in Canada and the Carribbean. Just like we didn't enter the first or second World War to save the French either. We entered the First World War because of markets and economics. That is accepted historical fact. Regarding the Second World War, we were attacked by the Japanese AND the Germans issued a formal declaration of war against the United States in support of their axis power alley, Japan. The fact that we bailed the French out was a consequence but not the reason we entered the war. So get off your moral bully pulpit and grow up. Everyone knows that nations act in self interest. Thee is nothing morally right or wrong about this--it is simply a fact. And why shouldn't they look out for their own interests anyway?
But all you right wingers keep trying to put the stupid morality spin on everything like we are the good guys and "they" are the bad guys. Frankly all nations are hypocrites and self serving just like the vast majority, if not all people that make them up. I am not downing the U.S., I am simply saying putting halos on shit that we do is dillusional and shows you are the one that is clueless as to how things work. We will simply do what the powers that be believe to be in our best interest. You are a total fool if you thing for a moment that we could care less about the Iraqi people and that the reason that we would go back in their is to help them establish a democracy. If that is a consequence that spins out of it--Great! But it is NOT the reason behind it. Morality has never had ANYTHING to do with anything--it is just a way to "get people on board because for the most part they are too stupid to understand what the real reasons are anyway.
Oh, and by the way, one of the primary reasons that a lot of journalists give for not reporting a lot of stuff is simply "how do you explain something inherently complicated to a population that supposedly for the most part graduated from high school but in actuality has the equivalent of a seventh grade education?" Well I have to admit, the stuff I see here certainly underlines THAT point quite well.
Too bad you didn't learn any history when you were in school or maybe YOU would know something about the way things are. Let's see, how many years did Ben Franklin lobby in Paris during the revolutionary war in order to get the French involved? Ever hear of the Battle of Yorktown, VA where the French fleet cut off the supplies and ultimately the retreat of British General Cornwallis? That was THE critical moment of the war. It is a WELL known and accepted historical fact that had the French not intervened during the American Revolutionary War, that we would not have succeeded in gaining independence from the British. Not that the French did it out of the "goodness of their hearts" though either. It was an old blood feud between them and the British and they just took advantage of a bad situation for the British to screw them over and help screw them out of some of their colonies just the way the British had done to them in Canada and the Carribbean. Just like we didn't enter the first or second World War to save the French either. We entered the First World War because of markets and economics. That is accepted historical fact. Regarding the Second World War, we were attacked by the Japanese AND the Germans issued a formal declaration of war against the United States in support of their axis power alley, Japan. The fact that we bailed the French out was a consequence but not the reason we entered the war. So get off your moral bully pulpit and grow up. Everyone knows that nations act in self interest. Thee is nothing morally right or wrong about this--it is simply a fact. And why shouldn't they look out for their own interests anyway?
But all you right wingers keep trying to put the stupid morality spin on everything like we are the good guys and "they" are the bad guys. Frankly all nations are hypocrites and self serving just like the vast majority, if not all people that make them up. I am not downing the U.S., I am simply saying putting halos on shit that we do is dillusional and shows you are the one that is clueless as to how things work. We will simply do what the powers that be believe to be in our best interest. You are a total fool if you thing for a moment that we could care less about the Iraqi people and that the reason that we would go back in their is to help them establish a democracy. If that is a consequence that spins out of it--Great! But it is NOT the reason behind it. Morality has never had ANYTHING to do with anything--it is just a way to "get people on board because for the most part they are too stupid to understand what the real reasons are anyway.
Oh, and by the way, one of the primary reasons that a lot of journalists give for not reporting a lot of stuff is simply "how do you explain something inherently complicated to a population that supposedly for the most part graduated from high school but in actuality has the equivalent of a seventh grade education?" Well I have to admit, the stuff I see here certainly underlines THAT point quite well.
one quick question, how come every one who supports the government or it's actions is stupid or ignorant having no idea what's truly going on in the world, and everyone who opposes are the chosen enlightened ones that are so deep and smart? do you think it's impossible to know the situation and just disagree with you and support our country
NorCalBdyBldr
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"Good point, but that one guy won't understand, his is stuck at Berkely eating Tofu, listening to Phish, and kissing women who dont use deodorant."
None of your assumptions are even close to the truth in your statement! There is a very distinct difference between supporting the United States and supporting the mindless obsession of a moron of a president against some third rate dictator of a fourth rate country. If this were really about weapons of mass destruction, the no brainer target would be North Korea, hands down. They admittedly are proceeding full speed ahead with their missle and nuclear weapons programs. If they manage to perfect their three stage missle which is in testing stages now, they'll be capable of hitting ANYWHERE in the United States in case you haven't heard. I find it interesting that George W's own father disagrees with "dubya" on this one in case you didn't notice as does virtually the entire rest of the world. Ever consider that maybe the ENTIRE rest of the world and about half of the United States MIGHT actually have a valid point and that you could be the one living in a dillusion? Probably not. That might involve using your brain to try to figure out some things which clearly isn't going to happen in this lifetime. Frankly, I have a hell of a lot of respect for George H. W. Bush and his rather distinguished and long service to this country in many capacities. I have absolutely NO respect for his loser of a son.
Fortunately, it is still a free country, at least for a while longer, and we are all entitled to our opinions, right, wrong or otherwise, no matter how ignorant of the facts. So go back to Orange County and sit in a corner drooling while listening mindlessly to Rush Limbaugh. His sponsers will appreciate your support.
None of your assumptions are even close to the truth in your statement! There is a very distinct difference between supporting the United States and supporting the mindless obsession of a moron of a president against some third rate dictator of a fourth rate country. If this were really about weapons of mass destruction, the no brainer target would be North Korea, hands down. They admittedly are proceeding full speed ahead with their missle and nuclear weapons programs. If they manage to perfect their three stage missle which is in testing stages now, they'll be capable of hitting ANYWHERE in the United States in case you haven't heard. I find it interesting that George W's own father disagrees with "dubya" on this one in case you didn't notice as does virtually the entire rest of the world. Ever consider that maybe the ENTIRE rest of the world and about half of the United States MIGHT actually have a valid point and that you could be the one living in a dillusion? Probably not. That might involve using your brain to try to figure out some things which clearly isn't going to happen in this lifetime. Frankly, I have a hell of a lot of respect for George H. W. Bush and his rather distinguished and long service to this country in many capacities. I have absolutely NO respect for his loser of a son.
Fortunately, it is still a free country, at least for a while longer, and we are all entitled to our opinions, right, wrong or otherwise, no matter how ignorant of the facts. So go back to Orange County and sit in a corner drooling while listening mindlessly to Rush Limbaugh. His sponsers will appreciate your support.
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Frackal
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George HW disagrees with Bush?
wow berkley boys are testy 
, i thought you were all the hippie mellow type but i guess i understand too i would be edgy too if i was on his little tofu vegan diet fucking hairy girls, but to each his own, i'd much rather stay here with my orange county sunny skies, warm weather and beaches, blonde big fakie girls 
than the "all natural" of berkley and who's majority of the population is an embarassment to our state and country, have fun saving whales, trees, owls, whatever you people do
, i thought you were all the hippie mellow type but i guess i understand too i would be edgy too if i was on his little tofu vegan diet fucking hairy girls, but to each his own, i'd much rather stay here with my orange county sunny skies, warm weather and beaches, blonde big fakie girls than the "all natural" of berkley and who's majority of the population is an embarassment to our state and country, have fun saving whales, trees, owls, whatever you people do
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Frackal
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What makes you think he is from berkley?
