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The End of Faith

PolfaJelfa said:
I just presented evidence. You people have not even examined it. Read the evidence. SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE....the book of SCIENCE AND HEALTH. EXPLAINS THE UNIVERSE SCIENTIFICALLY.

You guys do know that most all geniouses believed in god...Albert Einstein for ex...said he was not a believer...but the farther he got in his research...the more science backed that God was the only option.....creation....nature...and mathematics.

Again for you ignorant people..i urge you to read about the life of einstein.
Ignorant fools!


I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.
-- Albert Einstein, obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955, quoted from James A. Haught, "Breaking the Last Taboo" (1996)

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
-- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930

It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
-- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930

Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being.
-- Albert Einstein, 1936, responding to a child who wrote and asked if scientists pray. Source: Albert Einstein: The Human Side, Edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffmann


I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. [He was speaking of Quantum Mechanics and the breaking down of determinism.] My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God.
-- Albert Einstein, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
-- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press
 
RADAR said:
Post 92 "EDITED"

Anymore Name calling and i will delete this entire thread!

Keep this civil and don't push your disbeliefs down others throats!


RADAR
its a message board discussion you imbecile.
 
RADAR basically shit on this thread with his knee jerk reactions, not the first time either. THe guy is obviously a holy roller and can't take logical and thoughtful discussion.
 
There is no talking to fools like you. Im done here. You have your facts there. You are too much a coward to buy that book and read it. You might learn your wrong. It ammuses me how closed minded you are. You the 2% of humanity that dont believe in god are right. 98% of the world is wrong.

God Bless You Java !
Now you can talk to someone else who cares.
 
Polfa, you're wrong and you have been wrong. You've done nothing but display your intolerance of anyone else's viewpoints. You can't come argue science without quoting any science.

:lmao: God and Albert Einstein :lmao:
 
PolfaJelfa said:
There is no talking to fools like you. Im done here. You have your facts there. You are too much a coward to buy that book and read it. You might learn your wrong. It ammuses me how closed minded you are. You the 2% of humanity that dont believe in god are right. 98% of the world is wrong.

God Bless You Java !
Now you can talk to someone else who cares.

And how many books have you read that argue opposite of what you're arguing.
You are in fact the hypocrite, PolfaJelfa. And you have still failed to prove anything.
 
PolfaJelfa said:
There is no talking to fools like you. Im done here. You have your facts there. You are too much a coward to buy that book and read it. You might learn your wrong. It ammuses me how closed minded you are. You the 2% of humanity that dont believe in god are right. 98% of the world is wrong.

God Bless You Java !
Now you can talk to someone else who cares.
so 98% of the world beliefs so it MUST be true?

I am sure you would have said the same thing had you grown up in Nazi germany too?


I'm sorry but I'm more intelligent then 98% of the world.
 
Lestat said:
so 98% of the world beliefs so it MUST be true?

I am sure you would have said the same thing had you grown up in Nazi germany too?


I'm sorry but I'm more intelligent then 98% of the world.

and so I have stated in an earlier post that the believer has a reason to believe, as it may be of a genetic nature.
 
UA_Iron said:
and so I have stated in an earlier post that the believer has a reason to believe, as it may be of a genetic nature.
I agree with that actually, I do believe that religous thought and belief are a product of evolution.

I do also belief that we as humans are capabile of some sort of "mystical" or spiritual experience...

my argument is that these things like other complicated facets of human beings and the world, can be looked at logically and rationally. NO need to simple belief in something or put faith in something because it is what you are taught is right.
 
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