The END of ALL Cycle Problems!!!

[Nelson Montana]

In a way, this may cut down of the conversations we have here. But it HAS to be said.

99% of all cycle problems can be avoided with just some basic precautions.

So here's the deal...


DO NOT begin a cycle without these components in place.

1: All the gear you're going to use.

2: All the anciliaries you need while on, for OCT, and afterward.

Now that isn't so fucking hard, is it?

Yet, time and time and time again, we see people forgetting these simple rules.

And another thing...

If you experience side effects, the FIRST thing you should do is cut back on the dosage! Stiop looking for more drugs to fix the problems occured by other drugs.

And in case you haven't heard, using deca and tren are harder to recover from (for several reasons). If you choose to use them, expect a rougher recovery.

If you're prone to gyno, avoid aromatizing compunds. If you don't know what compounds aromatize, LEARN. This isn't like learning a language where you pick up as you go along. It's more like skydiving -- you better know what you have to do before you jump!

And it's been mentioned many times before but I want to make a point to those who may not have around too long. You MUST protect against as many on the contraindications of steroids while on cycle. You NEED to do it, for your health, you NEED to do to for the best gains, you NEED to do it to assure the effectiveness of future cycles. You NEED to guard yourself. Remember that.

This is where I have to do a little promotion, but stick with me. You won't regret it.

All you need to do is rememeber what you need to do. One product. The name even tells you "NEED to guard" -- N2GUARD for short. You can avoid most every problem you encounter while on cycle with this one simple product.

Steroids cause...N2protects....

Water retention-- check!

Elevated cholesterol -- check!

Strain on the liver -- check!

Hypertension -- check!

Increased demand for cellular repair -- check!

And just as a kicker, there are ingredients to help repair and upregulate receptor site acceptance, which not only makes the cycle more effective, it helps the NEXT cycle to be even better! (Follow with BRIDGE for best results).

I mean...WHAT THE FUCK?!!! Can this be made any easier??? NOT using it is just stupid.

For pennies a day, you avoid problems that have plagued steroid users for decades.

Obviously, you won't find this at your local GNC. This is for hardcore bodybuilders.

So that's it. Obviously, we still encourage learning as much as you can about how to cycle for the best results. It's a combination of knowledge, experience, asking questions, training, supplementation,. pharmacology and common sense. And a lot of busting ass in the gym.

Hey, excellence don't come easy. But it's worth it.

So that's it. If anyone has any questions, there's a bunch of good bros right here on EF willing to help. We all make mistakes, but this one is unforgivable. Place an order. Pop a couple of pills. DONE.

N2GUARD: It's the easiest thing you'll ever do to get bigger.

 

[needtogetaas]

In a way, this may cut down of the conversations we have here. But it HAS to be said.

99% of all cycle problems can be avoided with just some basic precautions.

So here's the deal...


DO NOT begin a cycle without these components in place.

1: All the gear you're going to use.
I agree
2: All the anciliaries you need while on, for OCT, and afterward.
I agree
Now that isn't so fucking hard, is it?

Yet, time and time and time again, we see people forgetting these simple rules.

And another thing...

If you experience side effects, the FIRST thing you should do is cut back on the dosage! Stiop looking for more drugs to fix the problems occured by other drugs.
hmmmm somewhat agree
And in case you haven't heard, using deca and tren are harder to recover from (for several reasons). If you choose to use them, expect a rougher recovery.
I 100% do not agree and I think this is a long standing myth which I would hope some day you will change your mind about. THey are not a harder recovery they are a different kind of recovery...

Really if I run 1000mg of test or if I run 500mg test and 300mg deca I am not "more shit down" Just think about it though..

The problem is when you use tren, deca and other nadro's/progrstrins they effect different parts of the hormone loop and until recently ( pretty much me only) no one has addressed this. IMO is almost to easy to figure this out and it baffles my mind that this has remained a myth for so long.

During a cycle of nandros and during pct address the fact that they raise progesterone and prolactin. It is that simple.

How would one do this??????????? Well for starters the new loprolac product you and I have formulated when it comes out.
Or one can use forma-stanzol now. A combo of both when the new product comes out will be sick!!!!


If you're prone to gyno, avoid aromatizing compunds. If you don't know what compounds aromatize, LEARN. This isn't like learning a language where you pick up as you go along. It's more like skydiving -- you better know what you have to do before you jump!

Almost all steroids aromatize though. At least all the fun ones so although this is the best advice its not the most fun one lmao. Also using an Ai from the starts ( least amount needed and examastane or forma-stanzol are the best for many reasons) of the cycle is the other option.

And it's been mentioned many times before but I want to make a point to those who may not have around too long. You MUST protect against as many on the contraindications of steroids while on cycle. You NEED to do it, for your health, you NEED to do to for the best gains, you NEED to do it to assure the effectiveness of future cycles. You NEED to guard yourself. Remember that.

This is where I have to do a little promotion, but stick with me. You won't regret it.

All you need to do is rememeber what you need to do. One product. The name even tells you "NEED to guard" -- N2GUARD for short. You can avoid most every problem you encounter while on cycle with this one simple product.

Steroids cause...N2protects....

Water retention-- check!

Elevated cholesterol -- check!

Strain on the liver -- check!

Hypertension -- check!

Increased demand for cellular repair -- check!

Daily Vitamin =check
Kidney support and function help---check
you mist two so I added them for ya ^^^
And just as a kicker, there are ingredients to help repair and upregulate receptor site acceptance, which not only makes the cycle more effective, it helps the NEXT cycle to be even better! (Follow with BRIDGE for best results).

I mean...WHAT THE FUCK?!!! Can this be made any easier??? NOT using it is just stupid.

For pennies a day, you avoid problems that have plagued steroid users for decades.

Obviously, you won't find this at your local GNC. This is for hardcore bodybuilders.

So that's it. Obviously, we still encourage learning as much as you can about how to cycle for the best results. It's a combination of knowledge, experience, asking questions, training, supplementation,. pharmacology and common sense. And a lot of busting ass in the gym.

Hey, excellence don't come easy. But it's worth it.

So that's it. If anyone has any questions, there's a bunch of good bros right here on EF willing to help. We all make mistakes, but this one is unforgivable. Place an order. Pop a couple of pills. DONE.

N2GUARD: It's the easiest thing you'll ever do to get bigger.

It is the the single best thing some one can do to protect there health from steroids though.. I really really hope everyone starts using this product throughout there cycles. We made the product for one person and one person only.. The steroid users!!!!!!!!

If I had to choice just one single product to make people take with every single cycle it would be this one. I have so many awesome products that people love. YOu always here people talking about hcgenerate, need2slin, forma-stanzol and others. These are the fun products

But it truly is the silent killers that we all must be careful of most. It is the silent working N2guard that 10-20 years from now you will be glad you used with every single steroid cycle you ran.

I have seen a few people make comments like well N2guard does not have enough coq10 because ( insert study) this study says you need this much for it to do this or that. Need2guard does not have enough this or not enough that or to much of this.

People who think they know everything or even people who just like to study things a lot but just do not fully understand everything in the grand spectrum of things will some times not understand that it is made the way it is made for good reasons.

Some vitamins, herbs, compounds, ingredients enhance, synergize, complement, and or work in different ways when combined. Each one helps the other in different ways.

We make products that work and although you can prove a product like this is doing its job at all times health is not something I would ever mess around with to make a buck..

I have gotten feed back on this product ranging from one guy who had to stop 3 beastdrol/superdrol cycles short do to noise bleeds. But then on his 4th try he used N2guard and boom no nose bleeds this time.

To another guy who did get before and after blood test on liver values and they showed that N2guard did repair and restore his liver.

I have gotten feed back from guys running cycles who always felt lethargic on a drug but ran N2guard and they felt fine. I get the feed back and its real and I am proud of this product. I feel really good about this product because I know I am helping to protect some ones life years from now with every single bottle I sell.

You always see the threads pop up once in a wile. "what are must haves on cycle that are not always mentioned" and you see people post Vitamins, fish oil, water and so on. Well No need for all of that except maybe the water we cant replace that one. N2guard is the "unspoken must have" on every steroid cycle. Lets just try to make it a little less unspoken off around here.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Yeah, I love it when someone complains about some little bit of minutea and overlooks the big picture. It's like someone just handed you a million dollars and then complaining that a couple of the hundreds have creases in them. lol

As for some of the disagreements. Allow me to clarify.

Deca causes water retention and that's both good an bad. It's bloating, but that's a part of what makes you bigger. You take the bad with the good. And progesterone is a little harder to manage than estrogen. True, it takes a little more understanding and there are things that have come along that make it more manageable (Forma is great for that), but there can still be some libido issues -- a little more so than with other gear, from my experience.

As for tren, there are nasty sides that are not necessarily HPTA related,(sweats, anxiety, etc) and they too require a little more controlling. N2GUARD will help but I think the NEW product Lo-Proclac will be a TREMENDOUS advantage to controlling tren sides. I can't wait.

All steroids aromatize but some less than others and some guys are simply more susceptible to gyno. If that's the case high dosages of d-ball, deca and test is not the way to go. Keep the test down and use mast, or Primo. But again, a little estrogen on cycle can actually improve gains. Killing it entirely is NOT a good idea.

And yes, N2GUARD also protects kidney health . (An very overlooked concern while on cycle ).

 

[Liquid 2009]

This product looks fantastic!!! Can't wait to give it a try. Reading over everything and the cost ... its a must have for me and should be for everyone!

O love NTBM products. They are made with us in mind and that's it. Keep up the great work producing these amazing products. A lot of us here put in a lot of time and effort into our workouts/lifestyle. We need solid products that can assist us with maintaining and furthering our goals and overall health.

 

[skaman007]

too pricey for the average guy ............sorry but true

 

[Nelson Montana]

too pricey for the average guy ............sorry but true

A buck and a half a day is too much for all those things? Sorry to say it but then maybe you shouldn't be using steroids.

 

[skaman007]

A buck and a half a day is too much for all those things? Sorry to say it but then maybe you shouldn't be using steroids.

in uk its £52 a months supply....yes thats to pricey for me and too say i shudnt do steroids cos i cant afford THIS product is rather silly nelson.....i will still protect myself with something half the price...never heard anyone complain here about anabolic innovations cycle support?have you?? yes n2 guard is the sup-erior product but not a MUST...

 

[skaman007]

in uk its £52 a months supply....yes thats to pricey for me and too say i shudnt do steroids cos i cant afford THIS product is rather silly nelson.....i will still protect myself with something half the price...never heard anyone complain here about anabolic innovations cycle support?have you?? yes n2 guard is the sup-erior product but not a MUST...

before this gets into a debate i should add that thru my kicker of orals i may use n2 guard,,,,but cudnt afford it to run thru my entire 14 week cycle so for the other 10 weeks will use ai"S cycle support.

 

[theemperor]

I must say this:

To alot of you who doubt about buying whether its legit and works, I am here to say like ALOT of people do,,.., ND2 products work!!
HCGenerate, Gear, Betterbars, etc., they all have a purpose and that purpose always does its job and well worth the expense to purchase it. Ohhhh,, I can sit here and talk all about HCGenerate and what it has done to improve my life in many ways. Look at the past inventions or whatever you wish to call them from ND2 - BEASTDROL #1 in the charts to give you Superman strength/ lean muscle mass with hardness!! Am I missing the the ALL Time Oral Bulker in the history of mankind in the original DIESELBOLAN V1 couple of years ago??? How I wish that creation was still here but it proves my point in that those products are true and legit, they serve a purpose and fullfill it. I am very happy and glad that I can look to these products and know 100% that they will help me as well as you.
Take that one to the bank.

 

[skaman007]

A buck and a half a day is too much for all those things? Sorry to say it but then maybe you shouldn't be using steroids.

lol so someone who doesnt want to pay £52 for a 4 week supply shouldnt use steroids..ridiculous comment.....i dont hear anyone here ever complaining about anabolics innovations cycle support before do you??

 

[CORRUPT COP]

Should I take all 7 caps in one sitting, or is it best to split up the dosage? Thanks.

 

[Dogfox]

This board used to be so much more, less advertising, better discussion, and people were not censored or banned for having opinions that went against products of sponsors.I fear we are moving towards testosterone nation and it saddens me greatly.

 

[needtogetaas]

Needtogetaas!?
You used to be cool. Now I don't know what to believe in anymore. When did they get to you?

I'm praying that you rescue some credibility by telling us what's in this product, and how it works? A "synergistic blend of cutting edge technologies", I suppose.

This pottymouth advertising cut & paste job must break the forum rules, surely? We are men of science, are we not? I don't know any real bodybuilders who would say "I mean...WHAT THE FUCK?!!! Can this be made any easier??? NOT using it is just stupid." Well, for a start, you could make it easier by saying what's in it and how it works, and you moderators could excersise some scientific rigour, rather than queing up to climb up his jacksi.

Really? Maybe it's the answer to all our prayers. But I'm not going to risk my health and money until I know something about it, at the very least

Why you you blaming me for something nelson wrote? THat is kind of not write don't you think?

And I enjoy learning, studying and I also enjoy explaining things when asked. So my friend feel free to ask anything you like. I am here 24 hours a day explaining things to people in pm's and on the site. I have over 100k post. SOme of the most knowledgeable and well thought out articles on this site I have written and I still take the time to write more. I sit and speak with dudes for hours at a time on the phone almost every day helping them out..

SO I like to think I am still pretty cool???

Not fair to come at me for something some one else writes. I would not ban you for something some other dude posted in one of your threads?

As for the price of this product it starts at 59 and if you use the needto139 discount code and then factor in the 2-3 day shipping worth at least 5.00 ( that is what it cost me to ship it to you) then you end up with a 45.00 a bottle product.

I think some UK sites charge a little more and I am not sure of they give the free shipping. Now I just went and did a google serach for " buy AI cycle support" and the first 5-10 sites that popped up have a avg starting price of 35.00 OK cool now add in that they are going to charge you 5-7 dollars to ship it to you and now you have a 40-41.00 product.. 45.00 N2guard or 41 for Ai cycle support??? Not that much more when you do the real month and facter in discount code and free shipping.


BTW right now clearance20 works for 20% off so from now till the 16th of the month the product is almost exactly the same price. O top of that 20% we are also doing buy 3 get one free
if you take this deal that gives you a ending price of 31.00 a bottle!!!!!!!!!! smashing AI's best prices for a IMO much better product. Just that fact that it is not only a full cycle support but also has a full RDA of vitamins in it as well makes it worth more.

and the difference is this


Red Yeast Rice 1200mg
Silymarin (milk thistle extract) 1000mg
NAC 1200mg
Hawthron Bery 1000mg
Saw Palmetto 300mg
Policosonol 20mg
Celery Seed Extract 150mg
Nettle Root 250mg
Idebenone 100mg
vs this

But what are you looking for? Are you looking for a brake down of what does what to what kind of a think? Because beleive you me I can do this to if you like my friend??

http://bodybuilding.elitefitness.com/n2-guard
here is a short right up I did for a mailer the other day. feel free to click the links in the write up which go to my blog and to another write up..

My friend I don't think you should use what others do to judge me? and you say used to as if you have watched me the 6 years I have been here. Your account is 2010 with 59 post so I am sorry if I do not recognize you ( no disrespect) . You should look through all of the content I have posted on this site my good friend. Not what some one else post in a thread, and not me?

I did not make this thread I am just in it talking. But if there is anything you need me to explain for you. Like I have always been, I am willing to explain it to you... You can even call me 978 378 4266 and I will sit and talk with you for hours about it if you wish. That has always been who I am and that will never change!!!!!!! SO anyone feel free to call that number.

Steve I am sorry some of your post got deleted. This was a mistake on a new mods part emp. He thought he was doing the right thing but he is a new mod so please forgive him he does not do a lot of modding. I explained to him that you did and said absolutely nothing wrong and ef has never nor is it ever going to start deleting peoples comments just because they are not positive to a product... SO what big deal!! you were respectful and that is all I can and or will ask for from members.

I thank you zorrin and steve for joining this thread and sharing everything that you have shared. ALL OF IT and I hope you continue to share in every thread you can. EMP lets try not to make this mistake again my good friend thank you

 

[theemperor]

My apologies gentlemen.

 

[skaman007]

My apologies gentlemen.

its all good.your intentions wer hounarable im sure..i should have been clearer and added that its a lot dearer for us in uk cos we dont have discounts like you guys get ..cos if we order from usa we get custom charges............you lucky yankeesPEACE

 

[needtogetaas]

I hit you up with a free plat for good luck to zorrin. I would hit you up with one to skaman007 but I think you have been gifted one from me in the past right? System only lets me do it once

 

[needtogetaas]

Should I take all 7 caps in one sitting, or is it best to split up the dosage? Thanks.

Its cool you can take them all at once or spread them out. I have always like to spread anything I take out.

 

[Nelson Montana]

in uk its £52 a months supply....yes thats to pricey for me and too say i shudnt do steroids cos i cant afford THIS product is rather silly nelson.....i will still protect myself with something half the price...never heard anyone complain here about anabolic innovations cycle support?have you?? yes n2 guard is the sup-erior product but not a MUST...

Okay, 52 pounds is a lot. I'll give you that. I still think it's important to protect yourself so if you can get the ingredients separately, you should. Better safe than sorry.

 

[Nelson Montana]

This board used to be so much more, less advertising, better discussion, and people were not censored or banned for having opinions that went against products of sponsors.I fear we are moving towards testosterone nation and it saddens me greatly.

No one ever gets banned for having an opinion. NEVER. Only if they get abusive.

And we are nothing like T-Nation. They filter every post. We give people free reign to say what they like. All we ask is some civility.

 

[Juiced91]

I hit you up with a free plat for good luck to zorrin. I would hit you up with one to skaman007 but I think you have been gifted one from me in the past right? System only lets me do it once

Hit me up too!!! And yeah im from africa so then there is an extra $25 but im honestly considering it.. it somes out to like R700 which is almost the same as animal pack.. So animal pac vs N2... I guess its N2

 

[needtogetaas]

This board used to be so much more, less advertising, better discussion,and people were not censored or banned for having opinions that went ag ainst products of sponsors.I fear we are moving towards testosterone nation and it saddens me greatly.

please point me to one single person this has happen too? Please explain one time to me please and thank you? I am waiting.

See this is when people get banned. When they start making false claims. Now I am going to ask you to post up once single shred of evidence (link to it and explain) where this may have happen.

Besides the emporor who is learning to be a mod here and made a few mistakes in this thread. Which I came back and correct for him. Thank you.


NO ONE HAS EVER OR WILL EVER GET BANNED for having a opposing opinion

That has never been a reason why anyone has ever been banned. It is when some one starts "attacking" other people. In some kind of a manner.

SO here we are in this thread and you and another have opposing opinions.. IS anyone getting banned??? NO!

Some one did have a few post deleted but that was a mistake by EMp who again is just now starting to learn how to mod over in the aas section. I un deleted the post, and made a public apology for it. Newer mods should be allowed some mistakes I think...

Now we run a clean board free of flaming and completely open to opposing opinions and debate. As you can see from now one getting banned in this thread and the inability of anyone in this thread being able to come up with one single time some one has been banned for this reason..

Scream it all you want but it never happens and if it has then show me. I will gladly un ban that person and publicly say I am sorry to that person on behalf of the entire staff of the site.

Every couple of months some one comes along and sais "well a year ago the site was like this" and then 6 months down the rode some one else says the same thing. Then 4 years from now some one else says the same thing.

There is more information to be had on ef now then ever and the database of info just keeps growing and growing and growing every single day. Even in this very thread there is the chance to learn so many things I cant even count them all.

All it takes is for some one to ask a question.. See opposing opinions are a good thing in case you did not know this. I know this because I know opposing opinions mean more post, more post means more views, more views means this thread rises up up up the google ranks .. And some one may learn something if they ask a few questions

 

[firetruck]

From a personal point of view i have learned more in the last month on EF and NTBM than in the last few years from people in gyms or magazines. There r a lot of helpful bros on here.
On the cost of supps,living in Ireland I find it cheaper to buy in the US and ship than the UK,especially with discounts ;-D

 

[needtogetaas]

Hit me up too!!! And yeah im from africa so then there is an extra $25 but im honestly considering it.. it somes out to like R700 which is almost the same as animal pack.. So animal pac vs N2... I guess its N2

I just gave you a free plat bro.. NOw what I advice for peeps in countries over seas is this. I charge 25.00 for shipping. But that 25.00 never changes no matter how much you order. YOu can order 400lb of product and I will still noly charge you 25.00 and that is it.

Right now with the code clearance20 you can get the product for 20% off plus buy 3 get one free, about 31.00 a unit and if you add the shipoing cost for you its back up to only 37.00 a unit if you buy 3 units right now using the clearance20 code. So for 37.00 a bottle right now anyone anywhere in the world can get N2guard for 37.00 a unit outside of the usa or 31 a unit inside the usa. Just use the discount code Clarence20 and buy 3 bottles at 20% off and the 4th is free. 4 bottles is plenty enough to last you through even the longest steroid cycle.

You mite as well take advantage of the fact that you only pay 25.00 no matter how much you order and order as many product as you need all at once. By a couple 5lb bags of protein we sell them cheap.

 

[Nelson Montana]

From a personal point of view i have learned more in the last month on EF and NTBM than in the last few years from people in gyms or magazines. There r a lot of helpful bros on here.
On the cost of supps,living in Ireland I find it cheaper to buy in the US and ship than the UK,especially with discounts ;-D

That's what I love to hear. Do a search on your favorite members and you'll find a goldmine of information.

 

[needtogetaas]

Awww. How can I stay mad at you, Need2?

You are a gentleman, and a man of science.

I got out of the wrong side of the bed today, normally this sort of thing wouldn't wind me up.
Lack of sleep + aching shoulder + mild roid rage = zorrin rant. I'm going over here now, to stand in the corner and think about what happenned here today.

I am the guy Ya love.. Nelsons the Guy ya love to hate HAr har just messing with ya nelson

 

[Nelson Montana]

I am the guy Ya love.. Nelsons the Guy ya love to hate HAr har just messing with ya nelson

Or is it that I'm the guy you hate to love?

 

[skaman007]

nelsons cool...maybe we need an ef judge?to keep the peace and settle debates amicabally ...how bout judge judy?

 

[Juiced91]

Just wanna say FUCKING SWEET. Thanks alot for the free plat that was awesome. Now i jst got this plat and dont wanna make any problems but that time nelson and tical i think it was argued over the use of clomid/nolva you "guys" banned him. Honestly it was a "heated" argument but i dont think anybody was ever out of line they both expressed their feelings and opinions excellently it was like a well thought out debate. For me it was so interesting as i always thought nolva/clomid was okay then came along your products then people like them. So that debate helped bring points out the products in general. The public could of decided for himself i dont think it solicited a ban. Once again my opinion so i cant get ban

 

[John McLane]

In a way, this may cut down of the conversations we have here. But it HAS to be said.

99% of all cycle problems can be avoided with just some basic precautions.

So here's the deal...


DO NOT begin a cycle without these components in place.

1: All the gear you're going to use.

2: All the anciliaries you need while on, for OCT, and afterward.

Now that isn't so fucking hard, is it?

Yet, time and time and time again, we see people forgetting these simple rules.

And another thing...

If you experience side effects, the FIRST thing you should do is cut back on the dosage! Stiop looking for more drugs to fix the problems occured by other drugs.

And in case you haven't heard, using deca and tren are harder to recover from (for several reasons). If you choose to use them, expect a rougher recovery.

If you're prone to gyno, avoid aromatizing compunds. If you don't know what compounds aromatize, LEARN. This isn't like learning a language where you pick up as you go along. It's more like skydiving -- you better know what you have to do before you jump!

And it's been mentioned many times before but I want to make a point to those who may not have around too long. You MUST protect against as many on the contraindications of steroids while on cycle. You NEED to do it, for your health, you NEED to do to for the best gains, you NEED to do it to assure the effectiveness of future cycles. You NEED to guard yourself. Remember that.

This is where I have to do a little promotion, but stick with me. You won't regret it.

All you need to do is rememeber what you need to do. One product. The name even tells you "NEED to guard" -- N2GUARD for short. You can avoid most every problem you encounter while on cycle with this one simple product.

Steroids cause...N2protects....

Water retention-- check!

Elevated cholesterol -- check!

Strain on the liver -- check!

Hypertension -- check!

Increased demand for cellular repair -- check!

And just as a kicker, there are ingredients to help repair and upregulate receptor site acceptance, which not only makes the cycle more effective, it helps the NEXT cycle to be even better! (Follow with BRIDGE for best results).

I mean...WHAT THE FUCK?!!! Can this be made any easier??? NOT using it is just stupid.

For pennies a day, you avoid problems that have plagued steroid users for decades.

Obviously, you won't find this at your local GNC. This is for hardcore bodybuilders.

So that's it. Obviously, we still encourage learning as much as you can about how to cycle for the best results. It's a combination of knowledge, experience, asking questions, training, supplementation,. pharmacology and common sense. And a lot of busting ass in the gym.

Hey, excellence don't come easy. But it's worth it.

So that's it. If anyone has any questions, there's a bunch of good bros right here on EF willing to help. We all make mistakes, but this one is unforgivable. Place an order. Pop a couple of pills. DONE.

N2GUARD: It's the easiest thing you'll ever do to get bigger.

I agree about Tren amd Deca - very bad shutsown using those, I never use em now and as a result Im recovering better from cycles.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Just wanna say FUCKING SWEET. Thanks alot for the free plat that was awesome. Now i jst got this plat and dont wanna make any problems but that time nelson and tical i think it was argued over the use of clomid/nolva you "guys" banned him. Honestly it was a "heated" argument but i dont think anybody was ever out of line they both expressed their feelings and opinions excellently it was like a well thought out debate. For me it was so interesting as i always thought nolva/clomid was okay then came along your products then people like them. So that debate helped bring points out the products in general. The public could of decided for himself i dont think it solicited a ban. Once again my opinion so i cant get ban

Just to set the record straight. (In case there's any doubt about how this stuff works).

That COULD have been exciting and worthwhile (even though the argument has been made many times before which is why, admittedly, my patience wore thin). The problem there was that tical stopped debating and just started taunting.

Expressions like "you don't know what you're talking about" or "if you had a brain" or "stop lying to the members" are rude, insulting and outright inflamatory and will not be tolerated. To top it off, tical then posted under several alters just to compound the dissension. That's when it stopped being a debate and just became antagonism. He was warned. And warned again. He basically said "go f- yourself." Hence, he was gone.

It was the right move.

That's how we roll. We love debate, confrontation, even a little sparring now and then. It's encouraged Expletives are fine. A well placed jab appreciated. But mindless attacks do not fly. Never will.

I think we can all live with that.

 

[stevesmi]

Just wanna say FUCKING SWEET. Thanks alot for the free plat that was awesome. Now i jst got this plat and dont wanna make any problems but that time nelson and tical i think it was argued over the use of clomid/nolva you "guys" banned him. Honestly it was a "heated" argument but i dont think anybody was ever out of line they both expressed their feelings and opinions excellently it was like a well thought out debate. For me it was so interesting as i always thought nolva/clomid was okay then came along your products then people like them. So that debate helped bring points out the products in general. The public could of decided for himself i dont think it solicited a ban. Once again my opinion so i cant get ban

tical was not banned. even if you go to his page today you will see that he isn't banned. I know cause I am one of his friends on here. he just had a problem signing into his account. he thought he was banned so he created more screen names.

I do not a penny off pushing products on here. I will call a spade a spade. if a product is BS i will say it is BS.
the natty supp PCT is fine for a short conservative cycle. in fact I recommended it for a friend who ran a short drol cycle and told him to take unleashed and hcgenerate after.

but if you run tren or deca (as I did twice) you need hcg and SERM's. that is not just an opinion, that is a fact and I have blood work to prove it. the sides from SERM's can get avoided by running low dosages. the 200mg/day clomid idea is nonsense and will make you feel like a pussy. 25 per day is all you need. you have to be nuts to run a tren or deca cycle without a powerful PCT lined up.

I like unleashed before sex or a hard workout. it really gives me that extra oomph. I try to sneak in some an hour or two before sex without the girl noticing. of all the supps on here unleashed is my #1 favorite and the one I put my seal of approval on.

 

[Nelson Montana]

tical was not banned. even if you go to his page today you will see that he isn't banned. I know cause I am one of his friends on here. he just had a problem signing into his account. he thought he was banned so he created more screen names.

I do not a penny off pushing products on here. I will call a spade a spade. if a product is BS i will say it is BS.
the natty supp PCT is fine for a short conservative cycle. in fact I recommended it for a friend who ran a short drol cycle and told him to take unleashed and hcgenerate after.

but if you run tren or deca (as I did twice) you need hcg and SERM's. that is not just an opinion, that is a fact and I have blood work to prove it. the sides from SERM's can get avoided by running low dosages. the 200mg/day clomid idea is nonsense and will make you feel like a pussy. 25 per day is all you need. you have to be nuts to run a tren or deca cycle without a powerful PCT lined up.

I like unleashed before sex or a hard workout. it really gives me that extra oomph. I try to sneak in some an hour or two before sex without the girl noticing. of all the supps on here unleashed is my #1 favorite and the one I put my seal of approval on.

I bet she notices at some point!

 

[skaman007]

I bet she notices at some point!

is ds activate extreme a bit similair to unleashed?

 

[Nelson Montana]

is ds activate extreme a bit similair to unleashed?

Actually, they're not at all alike.

 

[skaman007]

Actually, they're not at all alike.

yep looked at the ingredients for both....unleashed is not available in uk stores and i dont want to order from usa cos each time i haVE DONE BEFORE the uk customs want £20 taxes to release the package.so would an alternaative to unleashed be worthwhile....i can get avena sativa and muira paima(not spelt correct)from herb stores ,would it be worth tAKING 500MG OF EACH A DAY?

 

[Nelson Montana]

yep looked at the ingredients for both....unleashed is not available in uk stores and i dont want to order from usa cos each time i haVE DONE BEFORE the uk customs want £20 taxes to release the package.so would an alternaative to unleashed be worthwhile....i can get avena sativa and muira paima(not spelt correct)from herb stores ,would it be worth tAKING 500MG OF EACH A DAY?

If you can;t get UNLEASHED, try getting the ingredients separately. Just make sure the aven sative is standardized to at least 5% avenacosides A&B, otherwise it's essentially inert.

 

[skaman007]

If you can;t get UNLEASHED, try getting the ingredients separately. Just make sure the aven sative is standardized to at least 5% avenacosides A&B, otherwise it's essentially inert.

thank you nelson

 

[needtogetaas]

nine times out of 10 if the site says unleashed is out of stock its not. It just sells so damn fast I have to keep an eye on the store. I can only set so many in stock and that sells out I have to go back and set more.

 

[needtogetaas]

is ds activate extreme a bit similair to unleashed?

dont worry bro... this month predator nutrition is going to be making a very large order and will be carring all of our products soon. Unleashed and post cycele will be on the list.

 

[needtogetaas]

nelsons cool...maybe we need an ef judge?to keep the peace and settle debates amicabally ...how bout judge judy?

We have them already bro. They are called ombudsman!!!
shirlene29's EliteFitness Profile
ortiz34's EliteFitness Profile

and if you ever feel a mod is not treating you fairly you can feel free to contact a Ombudsman or a admin at any time. These Ambudsman and the direct ear of the top admin of the site and they will speak on your behalf if you need them too.


Also if a member is ever banned that is not the end of them. See I went to great lengths to ensure no member could ever be wrongly banned by a mod on this site. When some one gets banned there account can still see what is called a "purgatory" forum. In this forum they can talk with other mods, the admin, and even the owner of the site to plead there case (if they have one)

SO I dont want people getting banned around here. And no one ever has been banned for dumb shit. I have gone out of my way to change the system and set it up in a way where there is checks and balances for everyone and everything.

We do not have a lot of rules but the rules we do have we strictly enforce.

 

[needtogetaas]

Just wanna say FUCKING SWEET. Thanks alot for the free plat that was awesome. Now i jst got this plat and dont wanna make any problems but that time nelson and tical i think it was argued over the use of clomid/nolva you "guys" banned him. Honestly it was a "heated" argument but i dont think anybody was ever out of line they both expressed their feelings and opinions excellently it was like a well thought out debate. For me it was so interesting as i always thought nolva/clomid was okay then came along your products then people like them. So that debate helped bring points out the products in general. The public could of decided for himself i dont think it solicited a ban. Once again my opinion so i cant get ban

See how things get misunderstood bro. I know the thread you were talking about that you were involved in. And in that thread tical was never banned. He had a problem logging into his account. I contacted him and I fixed the problem for him. But the second he had a problem the first thing he did was create alter and make false accusations much like a few people in that thread did. Rather then ask me or a mod what happen???? Unless it says "banned" under your name then you were not banned you are just having account trouble. NOw that was in that one thread. But tical clearly had a stick up his ass and a vendetta against nelson. His anger got the best of him and his anger for nelson spilled over and got derected at the wrong person..ME!!!

So Tical and Nelson where Arguing in Yet another thread. Only this time Tical decided he was going to attack me too. And by attack I dont mean simple disagree or have a opposing opinion.
No if were the case he would still be here today. NO Tical out right attacked me and acted like a child!

see were things get mixed up... I deleted some post made by tical in which he called me some pretty fucked up things. He attacked me personally. You see the difference now? He was not banned for having a difference of opinion he was banned for speaking to the ext elite mod of this site with disrespect, getting dirty and personal and calling me names. Did I call him names? Did I accuse him of nasty things? NO I spoke to him like I do everyone else. With respect and Keeping childish name calling out of it. Tical lacked the ability to do this so he was sent on his way.

You know had he just been calling nelson some names and attacking him I mite have even overlooked it (even though I should not). But he went the extra mile and attacked me.
But now you can see how some things get misunderstood and rumors get started. This is why another one of our rules around here is not to openly question the mods when doing there jobs. Or to accuse them of bull shit... Because truthfully 9 times out of 10 members have no clue what is really going on. They see what they think they see and then blab off at the month about it..
Well I am sorry but we dont ban people just for having an opposing opinion around here and never ever will.

However at the same time we run a clean site. As clean as we can anyway and free from childish bullshit. I think we can all agree that ef is one of the best and most flame free places to come and learn. Newbs and others can ask questions with out having to worry about getting flamed and called names for it. We can all learn and share about here without having to defend our selfs against some fuck tard keyboard comando whi thinks he knows it all and feels the need to attack everyone for no reason at all. This forum is clean, friendly, inviting, and free of most of the bullshit and this is the way we intend to keep it..

So by all means oppose all you want. Debate all you want, and disagree till the cows come home. But the second you make it personal and start attacking others ( I dont give a fuck who it is) and I catch you doing it I am going to send you packing. We act like grown adults around here not like little teen age kids. You want to act like that then go check out bb.com you will fit right in over there. Not on ef though!!!

So as I said before. No one has ever been band for disagreeing with a sponsor or a mod or anyone. No one ever will and I dare anyone who says otherwise to name one single time this has happen... Thank you very much

 

[skaman007]

dont worry bro... this month predator nutrition is going to be making a very large order and will be carring all of our products soon. Unleashed and post cycele will be on the list.

great news..

 

[pix]

discount code????

 

[calie]

Through the years anabolic steroids were widely available, even in the U.S. After a time the U.S. FDA would classify them as prescription only but this was basically meaningless; it was only a label and anabolic steroids were still just as widely available; they were yet to be controlled substances. This would soon change; in 1988 the tide began to shift with the Anti-Drug Abuse Act, effectively putting anabolic steroids in more stringent category, one that stipulated severe legal penalties for illegal sale or possession with intent to distribute. For the first time since their inception anabolic steroid possession and distribution was considered a felony in the U.S.


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[needtogetaas]

Through the years anabolic steroids were widely available, even in the U.S. After a time the U.S. FDA would classify them as prescription only but this was basically meaningless; it was only a label and anabolic steroids were still just as widely available; they were yet to be controlled substances. This would soon change; in 1988 the tide began to shift with the Anti-Drug Abuse Act, effectively putting anabolic steroids in more stringent category, one that stipulated severe legal penalties for illegal sale or possession with intent to distribute. For the first time since their inception anabolic steroid possession and distribution was considered a felony in the U.S.


Personal Trainers Dallas

NOw see this is when we get to ban people areound here. I like the spammer every once in a wile. Because my ban finger does get a little itchy every once in a wile and these spammers are a nice way to get a good quick banning fix.. DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You spam scumbag fucker!!!!

 

[testboi123]

Yeah, I love it when someone complains about some little bit of minutea and overlooks the big picture. It's like someone just handed you a million dollars and then complaining that a couple of the hundreds have creases in them. lol

As for some of the disagreements. Allow me to clarify.

Deca causes water retention and that's both good an bad. It's bloating, but that's a part of what makes you bigger. You take the bad with the good. And progesterone is a little harder to manage than estrogen. True, it takes a little more understanding and there are things that have come along that make it more manageable (Forma is great for that), but there can still be some libido issues -- a little more so than with other gear, from my experience.

As for tren, there are nasty sides that are not necessarily HPTA related,(sweats, anxiety, etc) and they too require a little more controlling. N2GUARD will help but I think the NEW product Lo-Proclac will be a TREMENDOUS advantage to controlling tren sides. I can't wait.

All steroids aromatize but some less than others and some guys are simply more susceptible to gyno. If that's the case high dosages of d-ball, deca and test is not the way to go. Keep the test down and use mast, or Primo. But again, a little estrogen on cycle can actually improve gains. Killing it entirely is NOT a good idea.

And yes, N2GUARD also protects kidney health . (An very overlooked concern while on cycle ).

im happy you went over that ^ I was going to say...it doesnt take care of everything like estrogen and deca, tren sides etc. good man

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

When is Lo-Prolac coming out? Was this something that was decided on to not produce? I remember it was mentioned sometime last year, and haven't heard anything since. I don't like relying on P-5-P and L-Dopa to attempt to control Prolactin.

 

[nitrousr]

Is this product available to those of us in canada? THanks

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

Is this product available to those of us in canada? THanks

I am fairly certain Nate ships all over the World. However, there might be some considerations with Canadian Customs?

Let me go check the website...

I wasn't able to find anything out, here is what the NTBM website says under their Shipping page Shipping & Returns

 

[Nelson Montana]

When is Lo-Prolac coming out? Was this something that was decided on to not produce? I remember it was mentioned sometime last year, and haven't heard anything since. I don't like relying on P-5-P and L-Dopa to attempt to control Prolactin.

LO-PROLAC got put on hold because the ingredients weren't available and we weren't going to compromise on the quality, so it went on the back burner for a while. Now we're going straight ahead and it's going to be an awesome product.

 

[mandina]

How do I find N2GUARD thanks for info....

 

[mandina]

N2guard

How do I find this product....THANKS

 

[Nelson Montana]

Re: N2guard

How do I find this product....THANKS

Need To Build Muscle

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

LO-PROLAC got put on hold because the ingredients weren't available and we weren't going to compromise on the quality, so it went on the back burner for a while. Now we're going straight ahead and it's going to be an awesome product.

Thanks a lot for the information, I appreciate it. So things are back on track now, and the product is on the horizon, maybe a Spring release? I can find L-Dopa in bulk and P-5-P is pretty cheap, but knowing the quality and synergy that this product will have will make it well worth it.

On another note, my other side effects while on cycle are all taken care off... just received a few bottles of Need 2 Guard and started back up today!

 

[nitrousr]

Is this product available to those of us in canada? THanks

Just received mine today so no problems having it shipped to canada. Thanks Needto, just thought id let anyone else here from canada thinking about ordering its good to go.

 

[hadbadexp]

could you explain "Hypertension" caused by cycles, i had deca,tren and sustaton for 7 weeks ( i know thses are bad combination but too late ) and been 4 weeks of pct ( clomid nolva and pregnyl ) prolactin lvl is normal ( i checked )
stil my testicular size is quite small and after dosage of clomid 150mlg a day for 4-5 days i my blood pressure turned up 150 /80 - 140 / 80
whats the sign of having ?
have no diabetes ( i checked )
but going tomorrow to see a doctor and might do blood test
or i should wait for the pressure ?
maybe its just side effect of clomid added up after 6 shots of pregnyl 1500ui 1 shot every 3 days?
tell me your opinion please

 

[Nelson Montana]

could you explain "Hypertension" caused by cycles, i had deca,tren and sustaton for 7 weeks ( i know thses are bad combination but too late ) and been 4 weeks of pct ( clomid nolva and pregnyl ) prolactin lvl is normal ( i checked )
stil my testicular size is quite small and after dosage of clomid 150mlg a day for 4-5 days i my blood pressure turned up 150 /80 - 140 / 80
whats the sign of having ?
have no diabetes ( i checked )
but going tomorrow to see a doctor and might do blood test
or i should wait for the pressure ?
maybe its just side effect of clomid added up after 6 shots of pregnyl 1500ui 1 shot every 3 days?
tell me your opinion please

Hypertension is from water retention.

Clomid sucks.