the death scene in Michael Clayton

[AAP]

where the assassins jump Arthur. They use a stun gun on him and then quickly shove something in his mouth?????

What was that? I don't see them remove it after they OD'd him in the bathroom.

 

[Razorguns]

some pills i think, to make it look like he commited suicide.

r

 

[AAP]

some pills i think, to make it look like he commited suicide.

r

yeah but he wouldn't have swallowed them as the tazing would have render him no control over his muscles to swallow.

 

[Razorguns]

That control stops once you are stopped tazing. Not like you are incapacitated forever.

r

 

[guest username]

I thought they did remove it. It looks like they injected succinylcholine in the web space between his toes. I say this because it appeared he fasiculated (when his muscles twitched). Succinylcholine is a paralytic that we use in the ED for rapid sequence induction to intubate patients to put them on a ventilator. It paralyzes the patient from 5-8 minutes, which in most people can cause severe brain damage if they aren't ventilated before it wears off.

To really ensure you "did the job", you would need to combine it with a long-acting/non-depolarizing paralytic. However, these can be detected, whereas succinylcholine is usually metabolized by acetylcholinesterase and is harder to detect. They may have combined it with a lot of potassium, which would cause the heart to stop. Even that has problems because it would cause a great deal of burning in the injection site.

Most medical examiners I know are very detail oriented and nearly all would have detected the injection site in the web spaces. It's really hard to kill someone without the ME knowing it was deliberate.

 

[buffer1]

gummy bears

 

[ceo]

I thought it was a spray? I Thoguht they sprayed something in his mouth. Wifey and I were trying to figure that out.

We thought they probably injected potassium. But they scattered pills and the cops thought it was a suicide. They could've just made it look like a heart attack...there's some holes in that scene.

 

[resqguy]

I thought they removed it before they left. Regardless, I have no idea what it was.

 

[AAP]

I thought they removed it before they left. Regardless, I have no idea what it was.

I didn't see them take anything out of his mouth before they left.

I am thinking maybe it was an inhaler or something. Some kind of drug used to get your heartbeat up that way the injected drugs would be pumped through the system faster.

 

[Razorguns]

I thought they did remove it. It looks like they injected succinylcholine in the web space between his toes. I say this because it appeared he fasiculated (when his muscles twitched). Succinylcholine is a paralytic that we use in the ED for rapid sequence induction to intubate patients to put them on a ventilator. It paralyzes the patient from 5-8 minutes, which in most people can cause severe brain damage if they aren't ventilated before it wears off.

To really ensure you "did the job", you would need to combine it with a long-acting/non-depolarizing paralytic. However, these can be detected, whereas succinylcholine is usually metabolized by acetylcholinesterase and is harder to detect. They may have combined it with a lot of potassium, which would cause the heart to stop. Even that has problems because it would cause a great deal of burning in the injection site.

Most medical examiners I know are very detail oriented and nearly all would have detected the injection site in the web spaces. It's really hard to kill someone without the ME knowing it was deliberate.

takes notes.

r

 

[timtim]

I thought it was a spray? I Thoguht they sprayed something in his mouth. Wifey and I were trying to figure that out.

We thought they probably injected potassium. But they scattered pills and the cops thought it was a suicide. They could've just made it look like a heart attack...there's some holes in that scene.

it was a spray.

 

[seaking420]

dont know but that was a cool scene......I was a little dissappointed with the movie though

 

[jnevin]

*sprinkle some crack on 'em*

 

[guest username]

takes notes.

r

Trust me, I've learned quite a few things over the years. There are ways to murder people without a trace unless you know exactly what you are looking for. Most governments possess chemicals that are metabolized by the body into proteins that are commonly found in the body. The original compound is lethal, but the metabolites are routinely found in human blood.

 

[SoKlueles]

It was a very disturbing scene....