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The Coming Apocolypse.......

Ok, now you guys are really going to hate me.

ok, so if the chip has 666 or is called satan then it's bad correct? if not then it's okay?

And this is my main beef with the bible, some stories are meant to be taken literally... or so I've been told. Adam and Eve, the X number of days it took to create the earth, etc. Yet this story is supposed to be taken literally? Were his words directly transcribed to paper, or were they passed by word of mouth? I guess I'm just being skeptical, that's all.
 
The Nature Boy said:
Ok, now you guys are really going to hate me.

ok, so if the chip has 666 or is called satan then it's bad correct? if not then it's okay?

And this is my main beef with the bible, some stories are meant to be taken literally... or so I've been told. Adam and Eve, the X number of days it took to create the earth, etc. Yet this story is supposed to be taken literally? Were his words directly transcribed to paper, or were they passed by word of mouth? I guess I'm just being skeptical, that's all.


But you see that is what "faith" is all about. You have to have it. You can pick everything apart but in the end you will have more questions then before you started. Just have faith.
 
Crazier said:


Unfortunately, to a non-believer this statement is the very reason they don't believe. It certainly doesn't help your view point.
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true. good conversation though. I guess I need to see a chip with S.A.T.A.N. or 666 on it. Then I would know.

Here's another dumb question, what happens after the chips being put in. I know there's an apocolyps, but comes after? Maybe I should just read the Bible and find out instead of asking all these questions.
 
Crazier said:


Unfortunately, to a non-believer this statement is the very reason they don't believe. It certainly doesn't help your view point.
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There are many definitions of the word 'faith.' It can mean believing without proof; belief in God, religion, or spiritual things, or 'what is believed.' whether someone has faith that God exists, faith in their religion, or faith that God does not exist: everyone has faith. People automatically assume that there is only one context to the word faith, relating directly to God and religion.

bunny
 
bunnymt said:


People automatically assume that there is only one context to the word faith, relating directly to God and religion.

bunny

Bunny - You're right. But, unfortunately, to people like my good friend curling... if you don't believe in the same person to be god as he does, in this case Jesus Christ... then you are not god's true child, and you aren't welcome to the kingdom of heaven.

Well, that view point simply is just not fair.

Curling was most likely introducted into the Christian religion, and has adopted this religion because he believes in it. Now, mind you, I think that's awesome... I don't care what the religion is, so long as it provokes righteousness... the thing is, when people say 'you have to have faith'... if someone like myself never attended church as a child... you can't have faith in something ou don't understand.

I have faith now because of year's of searching different aspect of many different religions. I didn't find one, and automatically cast all other religions to be less than mine. With an open mind you can learn most about yourself.

I never question whether Jesus is God's son. I know he is. I know this because we all are. I never question his righteousness. I only question why one couldn't be as well, no matter his religious preference.

Christian's don't believe the same as the chosen people... (jews.)
Jew's don't believe Jesus has arrived yet. So, every person that was born in the sacred, chosen land goes to hell because they didn't have they didn't believe Jesus was actually God's son?

How could that be?

I guess at the same time you are asking how that could be, you could also question why the chosen land has not had peace in hundred's and hundred's of years.

As gwl9 said... once you start to question, you just end up with more questions.
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Crazier said:


Christian's don't believe the same as the chosen people... (jews.)
Jew's don't believe Jesus has arrived yet. So, every person that was born in the sacred, chosen land goes to hell because they didn't have they didn't believe Jesus was actually God's son?

How could that be?

I guess at the same time you are asking how that could be, you could also question why the chosen land has not had peace in hundred's and hundred's of years.

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The chosen land that is referred to in the Bible, the Middle East region, like you have said has not had peace for thousands of years. Are you saying that Jewish people believe that if you are not born in the chosen land, that you will go to hell? If that is what you are saying, I think that you are mistaken. However, I am not sure because I am not all too familiar with Judaism.

bunny
 
Nature Boy,

Although some faith is utimately required for beleif in God, blind faith isnt necessary. Verfication as to the accuracy of historical translation and transcription of Biblical scripture, can help cultivate faith.

Because ur not a Christian, I suppose my Isiah quote was alittle irrevelant. Isaih, or the author of the text I quoted from the book of Isiah, essientially prophesied Christs first coming.

Christs life, in essence, was intended as a guilt offering for human transgression. God, took a part of Himself, made himself human, and suffered at the hands of man for our inequities.

Y?

Apparently, God is a just God. Although he loves us, he requires our actions be held accountable to His perfect standard. Since we are not perfect, he sent himself , through Christ incarnate, to not only take our sin, but to be depised and abused by his very own creation, to prove himself worthy as our Creator.

This is what is meant by spiritual truths. He wants us to come to him. He identifies with the weak, misunderstood, beaten, bruised, and tormented among us, because pain and injustice exposes our vulnerability. Our true nature.

You're right to question the Bible. The example I offered was a prediction, or prophesy, of Christs first coming - 500 years before his birth. Christs life has been confirmed by secular historical scholars and Egyptian cultures during his time. The quote from Isiah proves some Biblical prophesies *are* true.

Ultimately, no one, ever, will be able to add tritnium to magnesium and say "Ah Ha! There is a God, and Christ is it!"

We will never have emperical information which confirms Gods exsistence.

God intended to be this way. Why? This is a mystery. But I suppose you want me to offer my own theory ;) .......

In the end, human equality can be found in the breadth and depth of emotion we feel. Intelligence is randomly distributed across humanity . If scientific knowledge was all which was needed to confirm Gods existence, only a esoteric few could participate fully in the beleif of God.

Our emotions represent the medium through which God captures our attention and cultivates our faith in Him. These spiritual truths are deep within us, which God has placed in our hearts. We know them to true, but often times, we deny them even to ourselves because they oppose our current lifestyle.

This is true for everyone. One thing I learned as Ive grown up, every single human on this earth enjoys evil. I enjoy it, u enjoy it, everyone does. The only distinction is between people who consciously acknowledge their evil desires, and people who deny their evil desires exsist.

I dont beleive in condeming human nature. We are what we are, and we most certainly are not all bad. Humans frequently engage in altrusitic and humanatarian acts everyday. But we also do the opposite. And its important not to deny these acts, because they enable us to see what we really are.

If you dont beleive me, look at the world. Look at the direction its headed in. Not the Biblical endtime prophesy. Just the facts. World history doesnt lie. Weve repeated war after war, for increasedd national wealth = 'security' , and painted it with a patriotic brush, quoted a few verses from the Bible, and think were just.

God wants us to accept our nature, and seek the Remedy.

To answer ur questions.

1) so if the chip has 666 or is called satan then it's bad correct?
Yes. That would be very very bad.

2) if not then it's okay?
You tell me. If your government endows itself with the authority to monitor ur every movement and commercial transaction, is that good? Do respect and cherish the moral princibles your countries constitution was founded upon?

Take a look at Ceasers quote again in this thread. His quote, a quote from one of the most influential global rulers ever, gave a candid description of the possible corruption inherent in power.

3) Yet this story is supposed to be taken literally? Were his words directly transcribed to paper, or were they passed by word of mouth?

See Isiah post. this may answer ur question.

4) what happens after the chips being put in. I know there's an apocolyps, but comes after?

The rapture of all obediant Christian believers marks the begnining of the 7 year tribulation period. The first three years are peacefull. During the first three years the antiChrist comes to power, institutes a one world government and the mark of the beast. In the later 3 1/2 years, the Anti Christ orchastrates a global war. Western nations are pitted against the East, US versus China and the Soviets. The battle to end all battles. Nuclear exchange, pestilence, fires follow. 1/3 of the earth is burned and 1/3 of the global population descimated.

The final ground battle takes place at a remote location in Isreal, Armageddon. There, before humanity wipes itself from the map, Christ makes his trimuphent return. Stops complete utter annihilation of the earth and all its inhabitents. Raises the dead, and judges us all.

Not bad for a days work, huh? :)
 
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