The best pct

[stevesmi]

I don't know why everyone thinks pct means absolutely crushing your estrogen levels. You lower nitrogen retention and cell volume, kills libido, makes you tired and weak. I cant say this is a good pct. you need to hit estrogen to get the hpta back in business making LH but that kind of aromasin dose of cycle is stupid. Forma is better

this right here sums up what i was gonna write.

stacking nolva and clomid with aromasin on top of it just cripples your estrogen. this strategy is very old school.. the theory being you cripple estrogen and it will free up the body to raise testosterone up.

a better way is to control estrogen during cycle instead of just dropping a bomb during pct.

without posting bloods and without giving a timeline you cannot say that this is the 'best pct' as you put it. gotta post up some bloods to show you recovered. a lot of times guys never even recover, they merely jump back on cycle when they still have juice in their system.. it takes 6 weeks for test E to clear the body for example .. if you come off for 4 or 5 weeks then you never were off

I do think you can recover on that pct you wrote, however it will take longer than kickstarting with some hcg and controlling estrogen during cycle. and you will feel better during pct not dropping the AI bomb on the body. clomid and nolva have nasty sides. suprised you are saying you feel good on them.

 

[moya]

Overall I think you have a great plan. Everyone has their own ideas about what is the correct and best PCT, but its all about what works for you.

Despite all the bad things about Nolva, it is very popular in PCT and has been for a long time. I don't use it anymore, but I have used it...and have always seemed to recover well from it.

I like to run Clomid higher than some too, just not as high as you. I typically do 50/50/50/50

im confused here, maybe ive misunderstood you in the past, but i though you were just finishing up your first inject cycle recently and had only ran one oral cycle previous??? though i do agree with your post though.........

 

[timetogethuge1940]

i would never use nolva as my only serm in pct, nor would i use it if i ran tren or deca. but a low dosage of it with clomid i think greatly helps the recovery process. when i first started reading posts on this board about pct and clomid dosages i thought i was a weirdo because mine were so much higher than everyone else. the fist pct i was ever taught was basically what the isteriods guy said.. Blast with clomid at extremely high doses then taper off through the weeks. Then adding Nolva with that aswell. I did that my very first time I ran a cycle involving injectable steriods.. recovered well but learned that i didn't need that high of a dose if i starting using other things with it. i used to run it starting at 200 mgs until i started using an AI and natural test booster.

crushing estrogen is exactly what i am trying to do in pct. i have never had any ill effects or sides in doing so. but, u are correct when you say that i do not have the bloods to prove that a properly recovered. I only run 1 cycle in a 12 month period with a short bridge after pct so i do give myself plenty of time to naturally recover. maybe labeling this post "the best pct" was a tad misleading.

and as far as the sides from clomid and nolva.. ill be honest. when i first start pct.. yeah they suck. sometimes i feel like i am a teenage girl. But the sides are not bad enough where it is going to detour me away from using them

 

[stevesmi]

i would never use nolva as my only serm in pct, nor would i use it if i ran tren or deca. but a low dosage of it with clomid i think greatly helps the recovery process. when i first started reading posts on this board about pct and clomid dosages i thought i was a weirdo because mine were so much higher than everyone else. the fist pct i was ever taught was basically what the isteriods guy said.. Blast with clomid at extremely high doses then taper off through the weeks. Then adding Nolva with that aswell. I did that my very first time I ran a cycle involving injectable steriods.. recovered well but learned that i didn't need that high of a dose if i starting using other things with it. i used to run it starting at 200 mgs until i started using an AI and natural test booster.

crushing estrogen is exactly what i am trying to do in pct. i have never had any ill effects or sides in doing so. but, u are correct when you say that i do not have the bloods to prove that a properly recovered. I only run 1 cycle in a 12 month period with a short bridge after pct so i do give myself plenty of time to naturally recover. maybe labeling this post "the best pct" was a tad misleading.

and as far as the sides from clomid and nolva.. ill be honest. when i first start pct.. yeah they suck. sometimes i feel like i am a teenage girl. But the sides are not bad enough where it is going to detour me away from using them

good post. however part of a good PCT is recovering quickly, but also recovering smoothly without feeling like a little girl as you put it.

when you start cycling more often you will want to PCT more efficiently, what i've found is if DURING cycle you prepare for pct, you won't have to kill estrogen the way you are doing. all in all you will recover faster and feel much better. hcg is a MUST to kickstart a pct and cuts recovery time bigtime. and when you control estrogen during cycle, you won't have to kill it during pct and feel like a little girl anymore as you put it. clomid at 50mg or more makes me feel like a weeping bitch, not sure how guys run it at 300mg... maybe they just have no idea that pct doesn't have to be that way ?

 

[timetogethuge1940]

true, cant argue with the first point you made.

the cycles i run are usually longer ones.. the 16 week variety. With the duration of pct and the bridge i do afterwards it is around a 7 month process altogether. i try to give myself an adequate time between before rushing into another cycle. i used to hate hcg because i had a bad experience with it. its actually just turned out to be i started using it too soon in my cycle, so by the time pct came around its effects were no longer working and i was totally shut down. not the worse thing that could happen in a cycle but still sucked. I learned from that mistake and now run it at the proper time. It makes the transition into pct so much easier. I always keep the E in check while on cycle, those are the sides that i never want to have and have been lucky enough not to have to deal with them. Always run an AI from beginning to end, and also use a moderate dose of proviron. Also the majority of the compounds i use besides test don't have a high rate of conversion to the dreaded E. I think for my next run during a pct i will change up my ai and not use something so strong.. maybe replace with forma. It is hard for me to totally recall when i blasted clomid for pct because it was a long while ago.. but i know the first day i took 400 mgs and the rest of the week took 200. Basically was told that if i can handle it.. the more the better. i didn't die, but learned quickly that there are better options then blasting clomid

 

[RickRock13]

im confused here, maybe ive misunderstood you in the past, but i though you were just finishing up your first inject cycle recently and had only ran one oral cycle previous??? though i do agree with your post though.........

I've ran 4 oral cycles (the first one and third one were Nolva PCT)and yes I did just finish my first inject cycle. In week 3 of PCT (no Nolva) right now

 

[dylangemelli]

I think that your main idea of pct is great... my main problem are incorporating nolva and the extremely high clomid dosage but most of it is exactly how i would run it as well... i think you will see a difference by not running aromasin in pct and switching to forma and coming to a compromise on the clomid dosage... Its all good man... I see you have some good things to offer so I don't want it to seem like I am being overly critical... Sometimes its good to try different things, as I have learned so many times... =)

 

[timetogethuge1940]

haha.. maybe one day we can come to an agreement about clomid dosages and on nolva.. maybe one day..

 

[dylangemelli]

haha.. maybe one day we can come to an agreement about clomid dosages and on nolva.. maybe one day..

loll anything is possible...

 

[RickRock13]

The debate will go on for as long as there are cycles. Opinions are like assholes... EVERYBODY HAS ONE!!