*The 10 Anabolic Commandments: The 10 Steroid Sins*

[Ross]

The 10 Anabolic Commandments​

10.) Thou shall always use Testosterone as the base of a cycle.

9.) Thou shall always use a BASE, a JUMPSTARTER, and a FINISHER in a complete cycle.

8.) Thou shall not run 17aa oral steroids for extended periods of time.

7.) Thou shall not administer over 1,000mgs of Testosterone in one week.

6.) Thou shall not stack two 19-Nortestostrone derivatives in one cycle.

5.) Thou shall always use an aromatase inhibitor when stacking two or more aromatizable androgens.

4.) Thou shall always use a Dopamine agonist(Cabergoline) while on cycle.

3.) Thou shall rotate injections sites sufficiently.

2.) Thou shall not UNDERTRAIN.

1.) Thou shall not ABUSE these remarkable compounds.​

Let's take a deeper look at these 10 anabolic commandments...

Rather than ME EXPLAINING each of them, I figured it would stimulate a more active and intelligent discussion about the most fundamental principles of using AAS if people were to begin by asking questions.

Having said that, let the discourse begin!

 

[drwoody]

Amen!!!

 

[Ross]

Amen!!!

LOL!!!

 

[Mac173]

I agree but there are always exceptions.
Saying always around here is like throwing gas on the fire.

 

[Ross]

I agree but there are always exceptions.
Saying always around here is like throwing gas on the fire.

Of course.

Not saying that this is "LITERALLY FROM GOD HIMSELF"..LOL!

This is from "ROSS HIMSELF". Not quite GOD, but definitely the next best thing.

J/k

This is my educated and anectdotal OPINION. Just that. Not scientific fact. However, I think it is EXTREMELY accurate.

 

[Ross]

I am looking forward to a very educational thread.

 

[GLEN]

Thou shall always use a Dopamine agonist(Cabergoline) while on cycle.

i saw the dostines is 199.00 on ag guys bro thats alot, when you say dopamine during cycle - what exactly does that refer to or what can you take ....

 

[nydj66]

How about, "Thou shalt eat like a fuckin' horse while bulking"

 

[GLEN]

i have used 1000mg before and used 500 and i did just as good with 500mg of test...250mg is enough in my view if you eat and train good

 

[Ross]

How about, "Thou shalt eat like a fuckin' horse while bulking"

That's part of the "10 TRAINING COMMANDMENTS".

These are the "10 ANABOLIC AOMMANDMENTS"

 

[basskiller]

now tell who has more than a few cycles under theitr belt hasn't broken a few of those rules? test under a gram.. come on now..

 

[Ross]

Thou shall always use a Dopamine agonist(Cabergoline) while on cycle.

i saw the dostines is 199.00 on ag guys bro thats alot, when you say dopamine during cycle - what exactly does that refer to or what can you take ....

BY SUPRESSING PROLACTIN, you can TRICK the HPTA into thinking it is NOT ON CYCLE! You can DE-SENSITIZE the HPTA! Subnormal levels of PROLACTIN reduce the sensitivity of the hypothalamic-pituitary system to feedback inhibition by Testosterone.(Role of prolactin in the regulation of sensitivity of the hypothalamic-pituitary )

Furthermore, HIGHER PROLACTIN levels while on cycle results in an INCREASED HPTA sensitivity, meaning FASTER SHUTDOWN OF THE HPTA! High levels of PROLACTIN appear to sensitize the hypothalamic-pituitary axis to the negative feedback effects of gonadal steroids. (Increased sensitivity to the negative feedback effects of testosterone induced by hyperprolactinemia in the adult male rat--McNeilly AS, Sharpe RM, Fraser HM.)

Cabergoline REDUCES PROLACTIN.

 

[Mac173]

Of course.

Not saying that this is "LITERALLY FROM GOD HIMSELF"..LOL!

This is from "ROSS HIMSELF". Not quite GOD, but definitely the next best thing.

J/k

This is my educated and anectdotal OPINION. Just that. Not scientific fact. However, I think it is EXTREMELY accurate.

Soemones a little vain today.
I agree though it is very accurate but there are alot of touchy people around here if you haven't noticed.

 

[GLEN]

I do think Ross is right for a great cycle you need the jump start the base and the finisher...pre-pct sounds good and can be debated but overall with my 7 years in bbuilding being off and on around here and other boards ...I would say my views fall in line with Ross's...this is because of the experiences I have had- my view only

Hey Ross next thing to God , is his son who sits to the right


good post ross,

whats up nelson-

 

[Ross]

now tell who has more than a few cycles under theitr belt hasn't broken a few of those rules? test under a gram.. come on now..

There are not many bro's on here bigger and more ripped than me(honest assessment), and I have NEVER exceeded 750mgs of testosterone.

 

[GLEN]

[hey ross how old are you and how long have trained?

also whats ur stats?

 

[Ross]

[hey ross how old are you and how long have trained?

also whats ur stats?

I am in my mid twenties and I have been training since I was 15 years old. i did not do my first steroid cycle until i was 21 years old, despite all of my friends who were juicing OUT OF CONTROL at 17, 18 years old!

I trained NATURALLY FOR YEARS. I understood the importance of TRAINING AND NUTRITION wayyyy before I even CONCEIVED of doing steroids. Actually, as a youngester with limited and very biased MEDIA information, I was AVIDLY AGAINEST THEM.

 

[basskiller]

There are not many bro's on here bigger and more ripped than me(honest assessment), and I have NEVER exceeded 750mgs of testosterone.

OK...........



I guess than you don't fall into the group I just mentioned

 

[Vascular Freak]

i agree on all that...i am just now trying dostinex on cycle....it seems that test/tren with dostinex could be the superman cycle...strong as hell....lean/large....and sex drive like a male stud!!!

 

[Vascular Freak]

i agree on all that...i am just now trying dostinex on cycle....it seems that test/tren with dostinex could be the superman cycle...strong as hell....lean/large....and sex drive like a male stud!!!

i don't know about running an AI all the time....sometime proviron or masteron can work much better if doses are moderate.....up to 600-700mg of test 50-75mg proviron works GREAT and i am gyno prone.

the only other thing i could add is that if you need to run letro...or AI's at dosages above there standard protocol....you should not be using that gear and should switch to a lighter compound that requires no AI like test and winstrol or test and var as opposed to heavy test and dbol....the ligther gear with NO AI will give much better gains!! amen!!

 

[Vascular Freak]

i don't care or know what there saying about you ross....but i like the topics you start.....it is refreshing to read and debate useful things rather than....will i get ripped if i run winstrol....or will test get me jacked lol....good work bro....

 

[Ross]

i agree on all that...i am just now trying dostinex on cycle....it seems that test/tren with dostinex could be the superman cycle...strong as hell....lean/large....and sex drive like a male stud!!!

i don't know about running an AI all the time....sometime proviron or masteron can work much better if doses are moderate.....up to 600-700mg of test 50-75mg proviron works GREAT and i am gyno prone.

the only other thing i could add is that if you need to run letro...or AI's at dosages above there standard protocol....you should not be using that gear and should switch to a lighter compound that requires no AI like test and winstrol or test and var as opposed to heavy test and dbol....the ligther gear with NO AI will give much better gains!! amen!!

Good post bro!

 

[chazk]

Amen!!!

yes ross is the new moses just came down off the second story balconey of the YMCA where he was handed these new 10 commandments and now demands worship..

ross even wrote in another thread a few days ago is took 1500mg of steroids in a cycle when he did his largest cycle...

the ross cant even seem to obey his own 10 commandments.

 

[Ross]

I said 1,000mgs of TESTOSTERONE.

LOL


silly you

 

[GLEN]

he looks better than you, never talks hsit back to you attackers,....im paying to be here and learn not fight ...shut the fuck up...if thats you in the avatar then u can clearly see he is killing you...all he is doing is offering info for debate

you guys are like bush haters...

Ross I have back here 2-3 months and I have not got my moneys worth until, now

you, prim performance, omega, nelson, and these past few days of threads have been good...

guys were here to learn/not fight

inmature and im 24 hell-

 

[GLEN]

do u use the carbo during the cycle and for pct? how much per day or eod ? how to take? safe

 

[Ross]

do u use the carbo during the cycle and for pct? how much per day or eod ? how to take? safe

Cabergoline will DESENSITIZE the HPTA, meaning a drastic reduction in the amount of HPTA suppression experienced.

.5mgs E3D

 

[Selene]

now tell who has more than a few cycles under theitr belt hasn't broken a few of those rules? test under a gram.. come on now..

Very true, very true

 

[caliboy]

Glad you found a place you wont be banned for being so full of yourself, your modesty is so refreshing.

 

[boston789]

I have stayed clear of this hate on AR and hate on Ross. Honestly, if they are giving good legit info then I have no idea why everyone hates on them. No one is telling or making you to buy their stuff. I'm not gonna buy any of it but I will still converse and try to have intelligent conversations. And I mean seriously, are these guys pushing as hard as ulter or macro was? No way.

Everybody has their own opinions on stuff. I know what works for me in terms of cycle length, strength, PCT and whatnot. I just got off an 18 weeker less than a month ago and got my bloodwork back yesterday and everything was normal. It's all about sharing ideas....

 

[needtogetaas]

I agree but there are always exceptions.
Saying always around here is like throwing gas on the fire.

right...its like asking for a fight right about now.

 

[Mac173]

right...its like asking for a fight right about now.

Exactly.
Everyones a little TESTe right now.lol

 

[needtogetaas]

Exactly.
Everyones a little TESTe right now.lol

I think every one is coming off cycle all at the same time and we should blam every thing on the clomid.

 

[wootoom]

thou shall drink winny

 

[TrenAman]

Thou shall always use a Dopamine agonist(Cabergoline) while on cycle.

i saw the dostines is 199.00 on ag guys bro thats alot, when you say dopamine during cycle - what exactly does that refer to or what can you take ....

Search the internet, you can pick up REAL, not fake BS CABER for about $75 for 20 - 1mg tabs

 

[Primordial Performance]

“Thou shall use Dermacrine Sustain after every cycle.”

-Pp

lol

 

[motodawg]

finally something fun to read and educational also

 

[halfcenturian]

If I see one more picture of your gross posing,
I'm going to vomit. Somebody pull the plug on this shit.


THOU SHALT GET OVER YOURSELF...
YOU SELF CENTERED SHIT HEAP!

 

[needtogetaas]

“Thou shall use Dermacrine Sustain after every cycle.”

-Pp

lol

ya.....

 

[boston789]

If I see one more picture of your gross posing,
I'm going to vomit. Somebody pull the plug on this shit.


THOU SHALT GET OVER YOURSELF...
YOU SELF CENTERED SHIT HEAP!

I definately agree with the pictures in the signatures...get rid of them. Its gay.

 

[Vascular Freak]

If I see one more picture of your gross posing,
I'm going to vomit. Somebody pull the plug on this shit.


THOU SHALT GET OVER YOURSELF...
YOU SELF CENTERED SHIT HEAP!

bro didn't you just have a pic of yourself posing in a speedo on the beach or something....or is that someoneelse with centurian in there screen name?

 

[boyer]

bro didn't you just have a pic of yourself posing in a speedo on the beach or something....or is that someoneelse with centurian in there screen name?

yeah roflmao.

 

[Mac173]

I think every one is coming off cycle all at the same time and we should blam every thing on the clomid.

Hey I'm on it.

 

[msam76]

now tell who has more than a few cycles under theitr belt hasn't broken a few of those rules? test under a gram.. come on now..

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[georgie24]

ross

everybody is different

you do what works for you, dont blanket our members with your garbage theories.

 

[Ross]

I think these are some basic rules that everyone should follow.

 

[georgie24]

how about you take your commandments and shove them up a nuns ass?

everyone should follow this

your a fucking moron to think so!

 

[Ross]

how about you take your commandments and shove them up a nuns ass?

everyone should follow this

your a fucking moron to think so!

I don't think such language is permitted here Georgie.

Please refrain from insulting me. Thanks.

 

[georgie24]

no dont get it wrong i like you

however i dont like your attitude or aproach here

something stinks bad in its YOU!

 

[Ross]

no dont get it wrong i like you

however i dont like your attitude or aproach here

something stinks bad in its YOU!

Maybe I can change my approach a little bit. I am sorry if I offended you brother.

I hope we can co-exist and help the board grow.

 

[georgie24]

how about you let people mature into thier cycles ans let them discover what works best for them?

your a PEST!

 

[Triple J]

i don't think a dopamine agonist is needed every cycle. as a matter of fact this can be dangerous. remember testosterone, eq. dianabol etc are dopamine agonists themselves. i also don't think suppresing prolactin to a minimum will protect the hpta during a cycle. however excess prolactin should be avoided especially after cycle. vitamin b6 and some tyrosine, and/or some maca will support dopamine levels very nicely, wihtout driving prolactin too low or risk pushing dopamine levels too high. dopamine overload can be dangerous and drugs like cabergoline and especially bromocriptine (which are both in the same drug class) can do it if one is not careful. and accurate dosing with research source materials is a guessing game at best.

 

[Ross]

i don't think a dopamine agonist is needed every cycle. as a matter of fact this can be dangerous. remember testosterone, eq. dianabol etc are dopamine agonists themselves. i also don't think suppresing prolactin to a minimum will protect the hpta during a cycle. however excess prolactin should be avoided especially after cycle. vitamin b6 and some tyrosine, and/or some maca will support dopamine levels very nicely, wihtout driving prolactin too low or risk pushing dopamine levels too high. dopamine overload can be dangerous and drugs like cabergoline and especially bromocriptine (which are both in the same drug class) can do it if one is not careful. and accurate dosing with research source materials is a guessing game at best.

DECREASING PROLACTIN to ZERO while on cycle will DESENSITIZE THE HPTA!

In normal circumstances HIGH prolactin will cause a DECREASE in testosterone and prolactin that is TOO LOW will alo cause a decrease in testosterone.

However, when ON CYCLE we want SUBNORMAL levels of Prolactin so that the HPTA becomes DESENSITIZED! When the HPTA becomes desensitized it can not "SENSE" anabolic steroids in the body and continues to produce ENDOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE despite beiing on EXOGENOUS TETOSTERONE.

 

[chazk]

i don't think a dopamine agonist is needed every cycle. as a matter of fact this can be dangerous. remember testosterone, eq. dianabol etc are dopamine agonists themselves. i also don't think suppresing prolactin to a minimum will protect the hpta during a cycle. however excess prolactin should be avoided especially after cycle. vitamin b6 and some tyrosine, and/or some maca will support dopamine levels very nicely, wihtout driving prolactin too low or risk pushing dopamine levels too high. dopamine overload can be dangerous and drugs like cabergoline and especially bromocriptine (which are both in the same drug class) can do it if one is not careful. and accurate dosing with research source materials is a guessing game at best.

very good post and science backs your claims .

 

[Ross]

very good post and science backs your claims .

I agree with NOT driving prolactin levels too high or too low...

EXCEPT WHEN ON CYCLE!!

HELLLLOOOO...!

 

[Lynxed]

Ross-

So what youre saying is that If I launched a cycel whit:

1-12 Weeks Testo E 400mg
1-12 Weeks Deca 200mg

No FINISH. This whould make my cycel a total waste?
Whitoute JUMPSTART Dbol whic I dont like becuase I dont prefer walking around like a Baloon, in the Gym. Im breaking an important rule? And how important whould that be, whats the evidence for your'e suggestions whit using Dbol instead of other wannabee roids, whit less bloat?

And another question Nolvadex whouldnt hold for PCT? Not even HCG?
Cabergoline is really nescesarry? People have been using roids for years whitoute using that.

 

[Ross]

Ross-

So what youre saying is that If I launched a cycel whit:

1-12 Weeks Testo E 400mg
1-12 Weeks Deca 200mg

No FINISH. This whould make my cycel a total waste?
Whitoute JUMPSTART Dbol whic I dont like becuase I dont prefer walking around like a Baloon, in the Gym. Im breaking an important rule? And how important whould that be, whats the evidence for your'e suggestions whit using Dbol instead of other wannabee roids, whit less bloat?

And another question Nolvadex whouldnt hold for PCT? Not even HCG?
Cabergoline is really nescesarry? People have been using roids for years whitoute using that.

I don't mention PCT, because some people BRIDGE and CRUISE, which are also MORE EFFECTIVE for sustaining and gaining muscle mass and strength for the advanced user.

As for the Jumpstarter and a FINISHER, you can use Testosterone Propionate for BOTH, problem solved.

 

[Lynxed]

I don't mention PCT, because some people BRIDGE and CRUISE, which are also MORE EFFECTIVE for sustaining and gaining muscle mass and strength for the advanced user.

As for the Jumpstarter and a FINISHER, you can use Testosterone Propionate for BOTH, problem solved.

Please check youre E-mail. In the uppcomming minutes.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I may have some ammendments to those rules but all in all, they're not bad.

 

[Ross]

Tru dat

 

[lartinos]

if you got rid of #4 and put something about eating/supplementing properly this list would make alot more sense.
#9 is another one that doesn't really make sense as a Test only cycle is one of the best cycles you could ever do. Instead putting something about ancilliary drugs in general in there and your list would truly make sense.

 

[GLEN]

i agree with alot of that stuff, but a test only is good , but you did mention complete cycle

good thread

 

[bigcats]

now tell who has more than a few cycles under theitr belt hasn't broken a few of those rules? test under a gram.. come on now..

I hear you basskiller. I have ben lifting and using aas for 10 years. What worked then doesn't mean it works now. I go over a thousand gms ,not by much and it works.Everybody responds differently. I think the word i am looking for is genetics. Your body is a smart machine and adjusts to what you are doing. I haveno gyno and get checked by a doctor every three months. my stats before i started anything,5-11 160lbs 8% bodyfat.That was in 1992 when i was 21,doing nothing with a superfast metabolism. THis is now 5-11 217lbs 8.5% bodyfat at 35.

 

[Ross]

if you got rid of #4 and put something about eating/supplementing properly this list would make alot more sense.
#9 is another one that doesn't really make sense as a Test only cycle is one of the best cycles you could ever do. Instead putting something about ancilliary drugs in general in there and your list would truly make sense.

Eating is not part of the ANABOLIC COMMADNMENTS.

EATING is part of the 10 DIET COMMANDMENTS.

 

[lartinos]

Eating is not part of the ANABOLIC COMMADNMENTS.

EATING is part of the 10 DIET COMMANDMENTS.

and not under training is part of the 10 training commandments???

 

[Ross]

and not under training is part of the 10 training commandments???

Yea, I realized that after...it technically IS a training principle. Good point brother.

I think an AMMENDMENT is in order.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Got a few questions... what are some good substitutes for caber/dostinex for lower prolactin? I've been using selegiline, but typically only during PCT.

Also, as far as a starter... if one is running test enth (say, 750mg/wk) and wants to use prop as a kickstarter for 4 weeks, would you still run the same dosage of enth during the first 4 weeks?

 

[lartinos]

Got a few questions... what are some good substitutes for caber/dostinex for lower prolactin? I've been using selegiline, but typically only during PCT.

Also, as far as a starter... if one is running test enth (say, 750mg/wk) and wants to use prop as a kickstarter for 4 weeks, would you still run the same dosage of enth during the first 4 weeks?

This is Ross's thread but I can give you my take if ya want. Other than Cab, there's Selegiline and bromo. I have not personally run Selegiline but have heard good feedback on the product. Bromo from my experience is garbage, sides and results are not worth it. Kickstarting Test prop is a common practice which is basically frontloading with a different ester. It is a way to "feel" the test more quickly similar to a sust effect. I don't see any point personally in doing this and would rather just use d-bol to kickstart. I personally don't think lowering prolactin is a must on a cycle that doesn't involve deca/tren, but thats Ross's take which alot of people to seem to be fans of.

 

[Ross]

This is Ross's thread but I can give you my take if ya want. Other than Cab, there's Selegiline and bromo. I have not personally run Selegiline but have heard good feedback on the product. Bromo from my experience is garbage, sides and results are not worth it. Kickstarting Test prop is a common practice which is basically frontloading with a different . It is a way to "feel" the test more quickly similar to a sust effect. I don't see any point personally in doing this and would rather just use d-bol to kickstart. I personally don't think lowering prolactin is a must on a cycle that doesn't involve deca/tren, but thats Ross's take which alot of people to seem to be fans of.

My man pretty much covered it all, well said brotha.

As for LOWERING PROLACTIN WHILE ON CYCLE...

THIS IS WHAT DESENSITIZES THE HPTA! If you want to AVOID SHUTDOWN, then use Caber DURING your cycle.

NJ--Yes, you can use Propionate to jumpstart, do not alter your Test E dosage.

 

[njmuscleguy]

thanks guys... I'm fully aware of frontloading, though I've never done it before... typically I kickstart with an oral such as dbol or tbol... so I wasn't sure about test dosages when using enth and prop. I may try it on my up-coming cycle, though I may opt for tbol instead.

 

[OMEGA]

you, prim performance, omega, nelson, and these past few days of threads have been good...

guys were here to learn/not fight

inmature and im 24 hell-

thankyou and agreed

 

[Ross]

bump

 

[needtogetaas]

bump

hay - ross - now that you are non plat you need to clear all your pm's because you can only have 50 in sent and received at a time. so clear all your fucking pm's man.

 

[Ross]

Done

 

[yonkers weights]

Front loading used to be the big thing. Also the up and down.

FL = 1000mg week 1, 750mg week 2, 500mg week 3 and 250mg weeks 4-12

Up and Down = 250mg week 1, 500mg week 2 - 4, 750mg week 5 - 7, 1000mg week 8 and then back down like you came up. 15 weeks total

 

[mattrich]

ROSS you still HAVEN'T answered MY QUESTION from a COUPLE of days AGO. why DO YOU write EVERY other WORD in CAPITAL letters?
JUST curious....

 

[Ross]

ROSS you still HAVEN'T answered MY QUESTION from a COUPLE of days AGO. why DO YOU write EVERY other WORD in CAPITAL letters?
JUST curious....

To place EMPHASIS where appropriate.

I am a very passionate and effective public speaker and communicator.

 

[mattrich]

ok .NO PROBS

 

[Vascular Freak]

i have been finding that i like to always keep my test dosages higher than any other secondary anabolic compound such as eq,deca,var,winstrol etc UNLESS running primo....otherwise bye bye rocking your cock!!! MUAH!

 

[Ross]

i have been finding that i like to always keep my test dosages higher than any other secondary anabolic compound such as eq,deca,var,winstrol etc UNLESS running primo....otherwise bye bye rocking your cock!!! MUAH!

I disagree.

I typically keep testosterone LOWER, and my supportive anabolics higher.

If you have 200mgs of testosterone(or more) circulating through your veins, you'll have a LIBIDO.

 

[chazk]

I disagree.

I typically keep testosterone LOWER, and my supportive anabolics higher.

If you have 200mgs of testosterone(or more) circulating through your veins, you'll have a LIBIDO.

I agree with ross on this one . I have noticed when I ran higher test doses and lower anabolics. I had acne,water retention,bloating and higher blood pressure.

My current cycle I just came off/comming off.
I ran test 200mg a week
eq 600mg a week
with anavar at 60mg for 6 weeks.
a 12 weeks cycle.
I got much better quality muscle gains no bloating ,little if no acne ,bp pressure was alot lower ,and no oily skin and no red face look.

anabolics build up quality muscle tissue. I feel the test is needed in a small amount just to keep up the sex drive and libido. when the test gets to high it just aromatizes into estrogen.

Thats last cycle i didnt need and anti estrogen but kept one on hand. Face stayed dry and skin was tighter.

I doubt i'll see the major weight drop becuase most of the cycle put on quality muscle not just bloated testosterone water gains.


Quality vs quanity.
I dont wanna gain 20lbs and keep 7lbs .
Id rather gain 10lbs and keep 7lbs.

cycles with small test and higher quality anabolics seems for me to be the way to go.

allthough the heavey test cycles in the past (my heavey was 600mg a week ) put on strenght with all that water but that strenght goes away prettyyfast once off so no real point in the ballon yo yo affect

 

[Ross]

I agree with ross on this one . I have noticed when I ran higher test doses and lower anabolics. I had acne,water retention,bloating and higher blood pressure.

My current cycle I just came off/comming off.
I ran test 200mg a week
eq 600mg a week
with anavar at 60mg for 6 weeks.
a 12 weeks cycle.
I got much better quality muscle gains no bloating ,little if no acne ,bp pressure was alot lower ,and no oily skin and no red face look.

anabolics build up quality muscle tissue. I feel the test is needed in a small amount just to keep up the sex drive and libido. when the test gets to high it just aromatizes into estrogen.

Thats last cycle i didnt need and anti estrogen but kept one on hand. Face stayed dry and skin was tighter.

I doubt i'll see the major weight drop becuase most of the cycle put on quality muscle not just bloated testosterone water gains.


Quality vs quanity.
I dont wanna gain 20lbs and keep 7lbs .
Id rather gain 10lbs and keep 7lbs.

cycles with small test and higher quality anabolics seems for me to be the way to go.

allthough the heavey test cycles in the past (my heavey was 600mg a week ) put on strenght with all that water but that strenght goes away prettyyfast once off so no real point in the ballon yo yo affect

AWESOME FUGGGGGIN POST!

 

[GLEN]

I agree with Ross as well on this issue. The post prior that was well said. That is how I feel as well.

Primo/anavar/test in low dose-

 

[GLEN]

I have done that many times and gained alot and crashed hard...The solid lean mass that will stick to the BONE is key. That water, I fill out my shirt look is over- With these other compounds you can make gains that you pay for and work so hard for.

Karma bastards lol-

 

[digit0x]

Couple things here:

1. Ross please stop using the fuggin smiley face so much. Theres like 324 emoticons. Mix it up a little. Thanks.

2. Ross, from cycle 1, to your most recent, have you always followed your 10 'commandments'?

3. Have you considered differing goals? I don't think I'll ever 'kick start' a cycle with dbol, only because it is conflicting with my goals in the gym. To be accurate, you would have to have a different set of 'commandments' for swimmers, football players, fighters, bodybuilders and weekend warriors etc.
Yes, you are jacked, but not everyone wants to be you, so to say these go for everyone, is just fallacious.

Finally, edit the thread to "Ross's 10 strong suggestions to look like him"

But in all honesty, I do appreciate your advice just try not to force feed it to everyone.

THANKS

 

[Ross]

Couple things here:

1. Ross please stop using the fuggin smiley face so much. Theres like 324 emoticons. Mix it up a little. Thanks.

2. Ross, from cycle 1, to your most recent, have you always followed your 10 'commandments'?

3. Have you considered differing goals? I don't think I'll ever 'kick start' a cycle with dbol, only because it is conflicting with my goals in the gym. To be accurate, you would have to have a different set of 'commandments' for swimmers, football players, fighters, bodybuilders and weekend warriors etc.
Yes, you are jacked, but not everyone wants to be you, so to say these go for everyone, is just fallacious.

Finally, edit the thread to "Ross's 10 strong suggestions to look like him"

But in all honesty, I do appreciate your advice just try not to force feed it to everyone.

THANKS

1.) I am a HAPPY guy.

2.) Of course I have broken these rules when I first began using steroids years ago. These commandments are the result of YEARS of HARDCORE bodybuilding EXPERIENCE and research

3.) You do not have to jumpstart your cycle with DBOL, you can use testosterone propionate if you want to, or Anavar, TBOL, or winny. Every athelete has different goals, so this was taken in to account.

Finally, this thread is for educational and entertainment purposes. These wre not handed down from GOD, literally.

But in all honesty, I appreciate your feedback!

 

[jijipuku]

Ross, what's your opinion on preventing(or at least reducing) acne while on cycle,pct,after pct ? What to use and what NOT to use?

 

[Ross]

Ross, what's your opinion on preventing(or at least reducing) acne while on cycle,pct,after pct ? What to use and what NOT to use?

In MY experience, the only time I EVER experienced ACNE(to any significant degree) was when I increased my testosterone dosage beyond 700mgs. No other steroids, even in dosages of 100mgs ED, has caused ACNE like higher dosages of testosterone.

Masteron gave me a noticable increase in ACNE, but not nealy as much as higher dosages of testosterone.

I also do NOT use Trenbolone, and suggest that anyone trying to seriously avoid ACNE should not use it either.

Overall, steroids that are more ANDROGENIC will pose a greater chance of increasing acne.

 

[Vascular Freak]

I disagree.

I typically keep testosterone LOWER, and my supportive anabolics higher.

If you have 200mgs of testosterone(or more) circulating through your veins, you'll have a LIBIDO.

hmmmm.....looking back now i ALWAYS used low dose test around 250-300mg BUT i always used more AI's....now i have been running 600mg prop ew with no AI just proviron so maybe before i was killing estro too much hence the reason for no libido....i think i just figured something out!!! i don't like too use lots of test anyway....my waist gets thick and the hardness just isn't there....plus prop f*cking hurts after 10 weeks of sticking

 

[joyzeeboy]

well ive broken commandment number 8 ten fold, I heard 60x0 helps with post cycle withdrawl. anyone have experience?

 

[Triple J]

I disagree.

I typically keep testosterone LOWER, and my supportive anabolics higher.

If you have 200mgs of testosterone(or more) circulating through your veins, you'll have a LIBIDO.

i find this recipe makes for a more effective cycle also. to avoid libido issues avoid progestins like deca and tren.

i like an AAS that lowers SHBG to run with the T and that allows a more effective level of free T in the system (thus you can run T at a lower dose). real shering primo (if it exists anymore) would probably be my top choice

 

[Ross]

i find this recipe makes for a more effective cycle also. to avoid libido issues avoid progestins like deca and tren.

i like an AAS that lowers SHBG to run with the T and that allows a more effective level of free T in the system (thus you can run T at a lower dose). real shering primo (if it exists anymore) would probably be my top choice

Great post brotha

 

[Ross]

bumpa

 

[chazk]

bumpa

ross man we have a 10 bump max rule around here. you can bump your thread 10 times then if it falls back a few pages just let it go man ... let it go. it will reappear

 

[Ross]

ross man we have a 10 bump max rule around here. you can bump your thread 10 times then if it falls back a few pages just let it go man ... let it go. it will reappear

LOL

My bad bro, just want the newbies to see this. IMPORTANT stuff.

 

[champion]

As a bro whos been on for 7+years, using everything there is at all doses I dont agree with 9, 7,6 and 4....................and 1 (for competitors or those who wanna get freaky) lets face it the amount of gear needed is probably "abuse"

 

[Ross]

As a bro whos been on for 7+years, using everything there is at all doses I dont agree with 9, 7,6 and 4....................and 1 (for competitors or those who wanna get freaky) lets face it the amount of gear needed is probably "abuse"

I would focus more on your training and eating regimentations.

 

[champion]

I would focus more on your training and eating regimentations.

You got some fucking nerve guy...........

Ive been trainin for 14 years.........I will always admit I started juice too early, live and learn..........the past 3-4 years have been spent learning about and tweaking my DIET first and training second to the point where I will and am always making gains.......

And as of this year now am Invovled in competetive strongman, and looking for a career here.............

I know my shit boy, and I was just trying to give an honest opinion of someone who is always on, (which I dont think you are, so you cant cover this area for people)........

One would think I have the right to add constructivly to a post without being mocked,

 

[chazk]

LOL

My bad bro, just want the newbies to see this. IMPORTANT stuff.

hhaha I know man I'm just fucking with ya... your threads are actually getting better as the comments keep rolling in...so keeping to the top does seem to work..as they get longer good to see different people feedback and opinions

I had no idea what LJ100 was untill i just read someone posted in the other thread....still dont know what it is but I guess it works .. for test levels...
now i need to find it!!

 

[solidspine]

Just like the 10 commandments given to Moses, remember him,


I have broken at least 9 of The 10 Anabolic Commandments