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[Maverick]

lets say your on the button in a 1/2 ring game at your local casino with 10 people at the table...

7 people call with 10$, you call all in before the flop with your stack of $180.. (with nothing, a bluff) what are your chances of walking away with that $70 dollar pot.

I think this is a good way to steal the pot everytime, why doesnt everybody do this ?

 

[swole]

because if you do it everytime someone with AK, AQ, AJ, or any pocket pair will call you, especially if they have more than $500 in front of them

plus you don't have the balls to risk $180 with nothing

 

[ksharp01]

If you try to move all in on a stone cold bluff you better be prepared for at least one call.

 

[heatherrae]

Chances are dude, you are going to get a call from at least one of the limpers, especially if you keep doing that. Not to mention, you are risking $180 to win a $70 pot. That looks obvious to anyone who has played very much. It may work once, but I guarantee you that anyone who has any experience will call your ass down next time you try it.

 

[swole]

for the record i'd call you with AQ or better

if i thought it was a coin flip at worst (meaning you have any pair below and not including QQ) in which case i have 2 overs and you have an underpair

that would mean i'm getting 140/100 on my money using the $70 pot and $180 bet you made...which is really good for a coinflip situation

that's like getting paid 140/100 for either black or red on roulette

i'll take it all day

newbie

 

[heatherrae]

for the record i'd call you with AQ or better

if i thought it was a coin flip at worst (meaning you have any pair below and not including QQ) in which case i have 2 overs and you have an underpair

that would mean i'm getting 140/100 on my money using the $70 pot and $180 bet you made...which is really good for a coinflip situation

that's like getting paid 140/100 for either black or red on roulette

i'll take it all day

newbie

Yep, exactly. I may even make that call with AJ suited, as well. ;-)

Maverick, you also have to take into account any small stacks sitting at the table. If you go all in and they only have 50 more dollars in front of them, they can call you down for a much cheaper price.

 

[Maverick]

So you guys are saying more then likely, it will work once in a normal casino ring game.

 

[nimbus]

i think you have a pretty decent shot of taking it down if everybody limped in. these people who are telling you they'd call with AQ or AJs probly would've raised with those hands, so it doesn't really apply to your situation. The more often you move all-in though, the more likely you are to get called - so don't do it more than once or twice.

 

[ponyfitness]

That all depends on who is sitting at the table and the cards they have been dealt. Odds are if you're dealing with no preflop raise nobody has anything really substantial but 7 limpers means probably at least 2 will call an all in just for a crap shoot. Often with AA I'll limp (depending on the table) just to get a bunch of people in the pot and then shut them down after the flop.

BTW, if you call an 18xBB all in preflop it usually means one of two things: a) you're full of crap or b) you have no idea what you're doing. Either way you're screwed because even if you suck out on one hand you're going to get killed.

 

[heatherrae]

If you try to bluff like that more than once, people WILL trap you by limping with monster hands. They can count on you to always raise.

 

[swole]

i think you have a pretty decent shot of taking it down if everybody limped in. these people who are telling you they'd call with AQ or AJs probly would've raised with those hands, so it doesn't really apply to your situation. The more often you move all-in though, the more likely you are to get called - so don't do it more than once or twice.

he's not talking about limpers, his hypothetical pot was raised to $10

and i've seen plenty people limp with AQ and AJ, so you can't count them out

it depends on his table image and what other people have in front of them (chip-wise)

That all depends on who is sitting at the table and the cards they have been dealt. Odds are if you're dealing with no preflop raise nobody has anything really substantial but 7 limpers means probably at least 2 will call an all in just for a crap shoot. Often with AA I'll limp (depending on the table) just to get a bunch of people in the pot and then shut them down after the flop.

BTW, if you call an 18xBB all in preflop it usually means one of two things: a) you're full of crap or b) you have no idea what you're doing. Either way you're screwed because even if you suck out on one hand you're going to get killed.

don't EVER limp with AA or any other monster pair, EVER. you will learn this the hard way. you want to build the pot to make a substantial post-flop bet worth a call, even if the opponent hits top pair.

you could be up against someone with a low to medium pocket pair. what happens when they hit their set? you will have NO idea what they have because you didn't raise to at least obtain information regarding their hand strength

If you try to bluff like that more than once, people WILL trap you by limping with monster hands. They can count on you to always raise.

this is the only time i limp, when i know there are loose cannons who need to act after my action

 

[nimbus]

he's not talking about limpers, his hypothetical pot was raised to $10

ah good point i didn't notice that the hypothetical table was 1/2

 

[swole]

ah good point i didn't notice that the hypothetical table was 1/2

it's all good, i always make sure to raise with a big hand...you always need information to know where you stand

there are times i would make a BIG raise like maverick suggested

if i was on the button or one of the blinds, i'd definitely move in with a strong ace or any pocket pair, especially if i know there are timid players on the table

then again a shortstack might call you because he thinks he's getting good odds on his ace-rag or the deep stack might be willing to take the gamble

it's all about instinct and math

 

[nimbus]

it's all good, i always make sure to raise with a big hand...you always need information to know where you stand

there are times i would make a BIG raise like maverick suggested

if i was on the button or one of the blinds, i'd definitely move in with a strong ace or any pocket pair, especially if i know there are timid players on the table

then again a shortstack might call you because he thinks he's getting good odds on his ace-rag or the deep stack might be willing to take the gamble

it's all about instinct and math

iffy play with a strong ace cause if that many people called for 10 bucks chances are most of your outs are in somebody else's hand, making it tough to draw out on any pocket pairs that a caller has

 

[swole]

iffy play with a strong ace cause if that many people called for 10 bucks chances are most of your outs are in somebody else's hand, making it tough to draw out on any pocket pairs that a caller has

family pots are the worst ones to play

unless you hit the nuts

even your two pair might be up against a set

2-3 people in a pot is my ideal situation for most hands

 

[nimbus]

family pots are the worst ones to play

unless you hit the nuts

even your two pair might be up against a set

2-3 people in a pot is my ideal situation for most hands

i totally agree, though like you said nothing like hitting the nuts in a family pot and letting everyone else do the betting and raising for you

 

[swole]

i totally agree, though like you said nothing like hitting the nuts in a family pot and letting everyone else do the betting and raising for you

that's one of the two things that gets me fully aroused without physical contact

aside from seeing hs cheerleaders in uniform

 

[heatherrae]

family pots are the worst ones to play

unless you hit the nuts

even your two pair might be up against a set

2-3 people in a pot is my ideal situation for most hands

On the other hand, I like multi-way cheap pots for small suited connectors and very small pairs and the like. You can splash around lots more in those types of games when you know someone behind you is very unlikely to raise.

 

[swole]

On the other hand, I like multi-way cheap pots for small suited connectors and very small pairs and the like. You can splash around lots more in those types of games when you know someone behind you is very unlikely to raise.

same here, i've made a lot of money hitting these hands

but you could have 7-8 clubs, flop a flush, and have someone hit a higher one or fish for the 4th club if they have the ace in their hand

knowing what my opponent has determines if i bet or check a flop after hitting a set, straight or flush...which is why i usually raise

 

[heatherrae]

Bottom line, Mav, is that if you want to get good, you need to just get some table experience. Read as much as you can so that you understand odds, pot odds, tells, bluffing and betting strategies, etc. Don't try to reinvent the wheel when there are so many good resources out there.

In my humble opinion, what seperates the good players from the bad is knowing how to play post flop. If you want to lay down a good bluff, you have to know how to tell a consistent story with your hand and to have the heart to take a stab at it more than once if the situation is right.

Swole is right. You have to know the math, but moreover you have to have instincts. Making bluffs without reading your opponents well or not knowing the risk reward of what you are doing will deplete your bankroll quickly.

Play online for a while before you put lots of money on real games. Poker rooms in casinos generally have better players. It may get expensive to learn that way.