Testosterone for depression

[Loths]

I have a real issue... all my life I have suffered from depression... and for those who dont know waht it is.. is some serious shit... it really blurs your perception of things.

I went to therapy, tried self help books, and was generally trying really hard to modify my aptitude... I helped and allot... changed my though and conclusion process. Working out helped allot to channel my energies and frustrations, I used to call my routines the "pain killer".

On my very first cycle and started with Deca and EQ (real things I bough overseas). I used the common diamond pattern. At the middle of the cycle Triet Testo E. And for the first time in my life I had what I call clarity of mind.. and though... this is how optimist people must feel.. It was great.

It was hard to end that cycle, and from then on I knew that depression was in part related to hormones...

I decided to try the comon remedies (prozac, zolof, etc) none of that help.

Four years later (up to day) I decied to do another cycle. Its a low dosage, 14 week cycle, with DECA, EQ, Winny, PRimo, and Test E. Basically, every three weeks, I shift substance, moving towards low angdrogenic. My Dosage does not pass the 350mg/week in the hole ccyle. I am looking for real gain.

While On Test E. again, the same thing happened.. I am having clarity of mind and I am more balance.

KNow I am in a dilema... I am not looking for an excuse to juice none stop. But I wonder, could I take low dosage of Test E, lest say 50mg every 14 days...I am aware of the silent side effect of juice, and I want to be careful.

This is a hard decission, and probably will not take it. But I am courious about this particular effect Test E has on me.

 

[thelion2005]

I have a real issue... all my life I have suffered from depression... and for those who dont know waht it is.. is some serious shit... it really blurs your perception of things.

I went to therapy, tried self help books, and was generally trying really hard to modify my aptitude... I helped and allot... changed my though and conclusion process. Working out helped allot to channel my energies and frustrations, I used to call my routines the "pain killer".

On my very first cycle and started with Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - (real things I bough overseas). I used the common diamond pattern. At the middle of the cycle Triet Testo E. And for the first time in my life I had what I call clarity of mind.. and though... this is how optimist people must feel.. It was great.

It was hard to end that cycle, and from then on I knew that depression was in part related to hormones...

I decided to try the comon remedies (prozac, zolof, etc) none of that help.

Four years later (up to day) I decied to do another cycle. Its a low dosage, 14 week cycle, with DECA, EQ, Winstrol - stanozolol, Primobolan - methenolone - , and testosterone enanthate. Basically, every three weeks, I shift substance, moving towards low angdrogenic. My Dosage does not pass the 350mg/week in the hole ccyle. I am looking for real gain.

While On Test E. again, the same thing happened.. I am having clarity of mind and I am more balance.

KNow I am in a dilema... I am not looking for an excuse to juice none stop. But I wonder, could I take low dosage of Test E, lest say 50mg every 14 days...I am aware of the silent side effect of juice, and I want to be careful.

This is a hard decission, and probably will not take it. But I am courious about this particular effect Test E has on me.

What a great question!!

I am no Dr, of course. But what works, works and you seem to have found something. Perhaps your seritonin (sp) levels are being raised by the testo.

I know I get a feeling of confidence and power on a cycle. Maybe you are getting that.

Did I see a blood test result here? Like to know what happened while on a cycle.

As for your question, I don't know how old you are. I'm 64 and being on low dosage HRT (test and HGH) is forever for me. And I have no fear.

 

[Loths]

Hi, I am on late thirties. I did a blood test before this cycle and plan to do one at the end (just before the PCT) I have also documeneted my cycle with progress charts, picture and journals. I dig the research part.

This is about my third cyle, and have to say its better than my first cycle. Low dosage, trying to promote protein synthesis and possitive nitrogen retention. I am really trying to avoid the other effects of steriods (the massive pumps, the vein pumping, the superb vascularity). The main reason is I really like thats great Feeling, being huge/Massive, but thats not a real thing, something that you can keep and maintain certain degree of quality/quantity of life.

That why I rather do cycles, I can always look forward to another cycle in about 16 months.

I dont want to stay on juice none stop. I am on my 10 week, (out of the 14 week) cycle, and I should not have taking Test E, but I was facing depression, and someting importnat is happening next week and needed the proper attitude...which I have right know... there lies the problem... there will be other situation in my life that demand the best attitude...


I will reasearch this more and post comments.

Thanks

What a great question!!

I am no Dr, of course. But what works, works and you seem to have found something. Perhaps your seritonin (sp) levels are being raised by the testo.

I know I get a feeling of confidence and power on a cycle. Maybe you are getting that.

Did I see a blood test result here? Like to know what happened while on a cycle.

As for your question, I don't know how old you are. I'm 64 and being on low dosage HRT (test and human growth hormone - somatropin - ) is forever for me. And I have no fear.

 

[Loths]

This is interesting!

http://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20030103/testosterone-may-help-depressed-men

 

[goin on 4T]

Helped me with my depression and now on test pellets for constant testosterone release into the body.

 

[connovar]

Depression has many causes like most things in medicine. Low levels of free testosterone can be one of them. Testosterone can impact the adrenergic and seratonin receptors but so can cocaine or methamphetamine. So you cant base just the symptom relief on what you injested/injected.

The smart thing to do is have an appropriate work up for all the major known physiologic caueses of depression. Ask you doc to check for free test (not just total, also look for estradiol levels. Then giving the findings a trial of test may be indicated. Howver if you have high normal free test etc you probably are looking at other causes and should investigate those.

 

[ALIN]

This is interesting!

http://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20030103/testosterone-may-help-depressed-men

thats a very good read.

 

[connovar]

thats a very good read.

Thanks for the link! Its to bad they didnt look at the estradiol levels and see if that may have been a difference btw the resonders and nonresponders to the HRT.

 

[advanced-stealth]

Good read.

This is interesting!

http://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20030103/testosterone-may-help-depressed-men

 

[Loths]

Good read.

I have been analyzing this effect of Test E. on me. I have found that about 4-6 hours after the injection I get that feeling. But the next day I wake up, I am depress... it must be the conversion to estrogen...or the like.

Maybe other types of Testo will be better for this application.

 

[digimon7068]

i am not a doctor. . .and i have no scientific evidence to support my opinion. . .but i honestly believe that at least 75% of men over 30 that are on some kind of anti-depressant and/or ssri could throw their meds away if they were put on a mild/moderate weekly dose of t-est e. . .AND. . .they'd be a LOT happier with the results, mentally and physically. . .

 

[Loths]

Helped me with my depression and now on test pellets for constant testosterone release into the body.

whatis test pellets? oral, injection, etc?

 

[billybob1972]

test pellets are test undeconate, go through the small intestine you take on board around 40% of the test that way. Have tried them and found them good for a small fix of test (tend to take them with me if I have to travel abroad as they look like cod liver caps!!!!) They are detectable in the system for 1wk.

 

[gettin_big]

I have a depression problem to, was on clonapin (sp). I hated walking through life like a zombie so i quit taking it. When i did my first cycle I felt great too. Seemed for the first time in my life I felt normal and that i could socialize with people. When i came off it wasn't long before the constant day dreaming, and feeling lousy started again.
I'm getting a more indeapth blood test done this week.
I'm very open with my doctor and tell him everything i put in my body, So he's gonna see whats going on if he can.

 

[goin on 4T]

test pellets are test undeconate, go through the small intestine you take on board around 40% of the test that way. Have tried them and found them good for a small fix of test (tend to take them with me if I have to travel abroad as they look like cod liver caps!!!!) They are detectable in the system for 1wk.

No, I think we are talking about different Test...

Subcutaneous testosterone pellet
Another relatively new form of testosterone delivery is via a pellet of pure, crystalline testosterone implanted beneath the skin. The pellets are about the size of a grain of rice, and are typically placed in the buttocks or abdomen. The insertion of the pellets is a quick procedure, usually done under local anesthesia. Pellets are typically replaced after 3-4 months. "Testopel" is a brand name for testosterone pellets in the United States.

A 200 mg testosterone pellet releases testosterone at a steady rate of 1-3 mg per day. Several pellets can be inserted at the same time to increase dosage.

 

[goin on 4T]

I have a depression problem to, was on clonapin (sp). I hated walking through life like a zombie so i quit taking it. When i did my first cycle I felt great too. Seemed for the first time in my life I felt normal and that i could socialize with people. When i came off it wasn't long before the constant day dreaming, and feeling lousy started again.
I'm getting a more indeapth blood test done this week.
I'm very open with my doctor and tell him everything i put in my body, So he's gonna see whats going on if he can.

Clonapin? That is some pretty heavy shit. I knew a chick that was on that. She gave me one once at a bar. Holly shit I thought she was trying to kidnap me like in hostel. I bailed out of the bar and barely made it home. WOW! Test over that anyday! GH also makes you feel better too.

 

[Loths]

welll, friends.. I have done.. it... I took a 12 week cycle... to be honest the best one I have ever had... low dosages, low but steady strenght built up, many different pharmaceuticals...

But at the end, I started facing depression... my regular type... and it was worst since I have a recent crisis in my life that truly put me on the edge...

So there I was,, thinking... I know all the solutions, I can understand what going on, but my emotions/feelings are out of sink (depression)...I decided not stops... at least not for know...

Now I have clarity of mind, I laught allot, and even manage to grow stronger in character thru this recent crisis... Better quality of life....

and there lies the dilema...I have found something that works (none os the Depression pill helped me)...and I am suppose to drop it... due to the side effects.... wich concern me...

Quality vs Quantity.... shit... sometimes I wish my biochemistry was better.

 

[Dopamineloveaffair]

welll, friends.. I have done.. it... I took a 12 week cycle... to be honest the best one I have ever had... low dosages, low but steady strenght built up, many different pharmaceuticals...

But at the end, I started facing depression... my regular type... and it was worst since I have a recent crisis in my life that truly put me on the edge...

So there I was,, thinking... I know all the solutions, I can understand what going on, but my emotions/feelings are out of sink (depression)...I decided not stops... at least not for know...

Now I have clarity of mind, I laught allot, and even manage to grow stronger in character thru this recent crisis... Better quality of life....

and there lies the dilema...I have found something that works (none os the Depression pill helped me)...and I am suppose to drop it... due to the side effects.... wich concern me...

Quality vs Quantity.... shit... sometimes I wish my biochemistry was better.

Sounds like you are a perfect candidate for HRT 100-200mg per week of testosterone. You don't deserve to live the rest of your life with depression. If it works it works.

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[Loths]

I hear you... It truly works... I have been taking 200 mg/wk of test and I have to say i feel great, I am focus, happier, persective, and general better... even my work has improve.

I am studying this, and I am trying to find a way to make this work in the long run. I am thinking of a cycle theory for this purpose... So far I have taken test E (200mg/wk) for 3 weeks, then I shifted to Test P 50mg/2nd day, know I am on TEst C (200mg/week).... and trying to target the peak and the valleys... I have though about shifting to other subtances (EQ and DECA).... the idea is to not down regulate the receptors too much....I also have planned on off time ... The general concept is low dosages, shifting every three weeks, and a off period. May be some HCG to keep the factory working... My line of thinkin is base of moderation and variety...

I also have schedule to blood screens/test to see how I am doing, plus to finger for prostate.

I will post results.



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[Loths]

Folks, as a mentioned, I following up...I have been taking testosterone E, C, and P... shifting every three weeks... the main reason is for depression.. and so far my life is just GREAT...I have had not a depressive episode... I am my best...Mentally focus, optimistic, happy, agreable, stronger, all good.

Got my blood pressure check and is 140/80... a bit on the high end of normal....I have a blood test schedule for next month... I am sure some of the numbers will be out of range.....

I also have to be honest...I have been taking advantage of the intake of testosterone and been working out allot... is just beautifull... all is just great...

But I have a few questions in regards this use of testosterone.... technically I am in a never ending cycle... not for size... but emotional balance... assuming that the rules for physicall enhancement of steriods apply for this usage.. most recommend a time off... but for me the emotional rollescoaster is serioud shit... enough to jeoperdize my work, marriage, and life... but at the same time I find myself thinking of a way to lower the dosage... this I want to do becuase i have read that continous use of steriod decrease its effectivienes... and I wonder if the effects I seek (booth emotional and physically) will decrease and stop...requiring higher dosages (what I am trying to avoid)....

If I lower the dosage, depression will kick in..that I know... part has to do with the sudden low test, high estrogen, and the catabolic effect that will kick in...so I have been thinking of reducing the dosage of test like 100 mg, and taking along 150 of Deca for 3 weeks,then shiffint the Deca for EQ for another 3 weeks, and the return to normal testosterone for 3 weeks... the idea is to constantly change... then taking to HCG and some novaldex ... to keep the factory on, then restart the procedure...

ANY OPINION ON THIS REGARD?

 

[Caleb's Tree]

Folks, as a mentioned, I following up...I have been taking testosterone E, C, and P... shifting every three weeks... the main reason is for depression.. and so far my life is just GREAT...I have had not a depressive episode... I am my best...Mentally focus, optimistic, happy, agreable, stronger, all good.

Got my blood pressure check and is 140/80... a bit on the high end of normal....I have a blood test schedule for next month... I am sure some of the numbers will be out of range.....

I also have to be honest...I have been taking advantage of the intake of testosterone and been working out allot... is just beautifull... all is just great...

But I have a few questions in regards this use of testosterone.... technically I am in a never ending cycle... not for size... but emotional balance... assuming that the rules for physicall enhancement of steriods apply for this usage.. most recommend a time off... but for me the emotional rollescoaster is serioud shit... enough to jeoperdize my work, marriage, and life... but at the same time I find myself thinking of a way to lower the dosage... this I want to do becuase i have read that continous use of steriod decrease its effectivienes... and I wonder if the effects I seek (booth emotional and physically) will decrease and stop...requiring higher dosages (what I am trying to avoid)....

If I lower the dosage, depression will kick in..that I know... part has to do with the sudden low test, high estrogen, and the catabolic effect that will kick in...so I have been thinking of reducing the dosage of test like 100 mg, and taking along 150 of Deca for 3 weeks,then shiffint the Deca for EQ for another 3 weeks, and the return to normal testosterone for 3 weeks... the idea is to constantly change... then taking to HCG and some novaldex ... to keep the factory on, then restart the procedure...

ANY OPINION ON THIS REGARD?

I don't do cycles...will some day....as I am getting older 44...and I know what test can do for you. The info I give you is from what I learn on here.

You can do cycles and still maintain your mood....by doing post cycle therapy.

Usually this involves some type of anti aromatizing substance, and some help to get your boys pumping out what natural test it can do on its own. From what I understand, you never want your boys to completely go dormant if you can help it.

There's plenty of info here on doing that kind of stuff. However, I have to admit, I don't know much about anabolics..just learning. HRT might be a far different thing then doing an AAS cycle, and you may have to treat that differently. Lots of guys here with good knowledge should be able to help.

My doc wants to start me on androgel, as my test is low...but in general...I'm a happy guy...but I do have my moments..most of which are caused by my insane wife. LOL. Good luck with your quest for finding the right balance.

 

[pault4896]

I have a real issue... all my life I have suffered from depression... and for those who dont know waht it is.. is some serious shit... it really blurs your perception of things.

I went to therapy, tried self help books, and was generally trying really hard to modify my aptitude... I helped and allot... changed my though and conclusion process. Working out helped allot to channel my energies and frustrations, I used to call my routines the "pain killer".

On my very first cycle and started with Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - (real things I bough overseas). I used the common diamond pattern. At the middle of the cycle Triet Testo E. And for the first time in my life I had what I call clarity of mind.. and though... this is how optimist people must feel.. It was great.

It was hard to end that cycle, and from then on I knew that depression was in part related to hormones...

I decided to try the comon remedies (prozac, zolof, etc) none of that help.

Four years later (up to day) I decied to do another cycle. Its a low dosage, 14 week cycle, with DECA, Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , Winstrol - stanozolol, Primobolan - methenolone - , and testosterone enanthate. Basically, every three weeks, I shift substance, moving towards low angdrogenic. My Dosage does not pass the 350mg/week in the hole ccyle. I am looking for real gain.

While On testosterone enanthate. again, the same thing happened.. I am having clarity of mind and I am more balance.

KNow I am in a dilema... I am not looking for an excuse to juice none stop. But I wonder, could I take low dosage of Test E, lest say 50mg every 14 days...I am aware of the silent side effect of juice, and I want to be careful.

This is a hard decission, and probably will not take it. But I am courious about this particular effect Test E has on me.

Don't Know why you couldn't do that? Because people that are having to take it for hormonal replacement therapy the normal dosage is 200 mg every 14 days. So it looks like your dosage is a little low if you ask me? I suggest this!! If you are going to do this and since you are not doing it under a Doctor's supervision, I would on a regular basis get blood work drawn once a month and I would perform my own hormonal level tests to see where my hormonal levels were on a regular basis. You can buy hormonal test kits from primodal force for like $79.00. It's a saliva test kit!! That would be my recomendation!! You would be stupid not to have blood work drawn on a regular basis!! But, if you are a healthy average aged adult male with symptoms of low testerone levels and you do have low testerone levels and you notice that when you take your testerone injections once every two weeks with the proper dosage and go get everything checked out on a regular basis, there shouldn't be any reason why you shouldn't want to take it if it's doing nothing but helping U!! You will have no problems, if you go get blood work done regulary!! But if you don't do that, your stupid and I wouldn't even do it!! Your stupid if you are injecting something like testerone into your body and you don't even bother to go get blood werk drawn once a month!! It's just common sense!!

 

[pault4896]

I have a real issue... all my life I have suffered from depression... and for those who dont know waht it is.. is some serious shit... it really blurs your perception of things.

I went to therapy, tried self help books, and was generally trying really hard to modify my aptitude... I helped and allot... changed my though and conclusion process. Working out helped allot to channel my energies and frustrations, I used to call my routines the "pain killer".

On my very first cycle and started with Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - (real things I bough overseas). I used the common diamond pattern. At the middle of the cycle Triet Testo E. And for the first time in my life I had what I call clarity of mind.. and though... this is how optimist people must feel.. It was great.

It was hard to end that cycle, and from then on I knew that depression was in part related to hormones...

I decided to try the comon remedies (prozac, zolof, etc) none of that help.

Four years later (up to day) I decied to do another cycle. Its a low dosage, 14 week cycle, with DECA, EQ, Winstrol - stanozolol, Primobolan - methenolone - , and testosterone enanthate. Basically, every three weeks, I shift substance, moving towards low angdrogenic. My Dosage does not pass the 350mg/week in the hole ccyle. I am looking for real gain.

While On Test E. again, the same thing happened.. I am having clarity of mind and I am more balance.

KNow I am in a dilema... I am not looking for an excuse to juice none stop. But I wonder, could I take low dosage of Test E, lest say 50mg every 14 days...I am aware of the silent side effect of juice, and I want to be careful.

This is a hard decission, and probably will not take it. But I am courious about this particular effect Test E has on me.

I'm suffering from the exact same thing you are suffering from and it's been for a long time!! I don't talk to people because I'm depressed and have no energy and my mind is all foggy all the time!! It's ashame!! I've been dealing with this fucken issue for at least ten years now!! Really my whole life!! I know this is what the problem is!! There is not a shred of doubt in my mind!! I had my testerone levels checked with my doctor and they came back real low!! Real low!!! And the Doctor turns to me and says you will be ok, it's perfectly healthy for someone to walk around with low testerone levels all the time!! That's what the fucken stupid ass bitch toled my fucken ass!! Toled me it's healthty to be walking around depressed all the time with a foggy brain and fatigue all that time and all the other symtoms like memory problems and shit that go along with it!!! I mean it's unfucken believable!! Unfuckern believable!! This has gone on for a long time!! I know that much!! Today I had no energy in the gym and didn't even have a clear mind!! My mind wasn't clear at all!! It was pretty bad!! Real bad!! I mean its ashame that someone like me has to suffer because of some stupid ass bitch Doctor who doesn't give one God Damn fucken shit about you God Damn fucken health!!

 

[Loths]

I'm suffering from the exact same thing you are suffering from and it's been for a long time!! I don't talk to people because I'm depressed and have no energy and my mind is all foggy all the time!! It's ashame!! I've been dealing with this fucken issue for at least ten years now!! Really my whole life!! I know this is what the problem is!! There is not a shred of doubt in my mind!! I had my testerone levels checked with my doctor and they came back real low!! Real low!!! And the Doctor turns to me and says you will be ok, it's perfectly healthy for someone to walk around with low testerone levels all the time!! That's what the fucken stupid ass bitch toled my fucken ass!! Toled me it's healthty to be walking around depressed all the time with a foggy brain and fatigue all that time and all the other symtoms like memory problems and shit that go along with it!!! I mean it's unfucken believable!! Unfuckern believable!! This has gone on for a long time!! I know that much!! Today I had no energy in the gym and didn't even have a clear mind!! My mind wasn't clear at all!! It was pretty bad!! Real bad!! I mean its ashame that someone like me has to suffer because of some stupid ass bitch Doctor who doesn't give one God Damn fucken shit about you God Damn fucken health!!

I heard you, and "feel" some of your frustation. I am happy about my decesion, andmy life is MUCH BETTER....But this decision has a price and consequences... and it takes character no to use this for a full blown no limit cycle. Make no mistake, you body chemistry will altered, and you will put some organs under stress. Adjustment will have to be made to your life style and deit.... in addition, your will probably have to take anti estrogen, and from time to time HCG/clomid, etc. If you are pre-dispose for male baldness, testo will accelerate it, and dont forget gyno... that will happen.

If you have low test level, you should be able to find a Doctor willing to help...many have done that....

I am not trying to sway you away... I just want to share some honest truth... like all in life.... you will have to take the good with the bad!

Good luck bro!

 

[Loths]

I don't do cycles...will some day....as I am getting older 44...and I know what test can do for you. The info I give you is from what I learn on here.

You can do cycles and still maintain your mood....by doing post cycle therapy.

Usually this involves some type of anti aromatizing substance, and some help to get your boys pumping out what natural test it can do on its own. From what I understand, you never want your boys to completely go dormant if you can help it.

There's plenty of info here on doing that kind of stuff. However, I have to admit, I don't know much about anabolics..just learning. HRT might be a far different thing then doing an AAS cycle, and you may have to treat that differently. Lots of guys here with good knowledge should be able to help.

My doc wants to start me on androgel, as my test is low...but in general...I'm a happy guy...but I do have my moments..most of which are caused by my insane wife. LOL. Good luck with your quest for finding the right balance.

hear you on the wife... man... they tend to do that.. how did we ended onthat position..cant live with then, can live without them! Thanks Bro.