Testosterone enanthate question

[h_rock]

I have trained for a total of 8 years now..on and off. My first cycle was about 7 months back with Primo 400 mg/week and Anavar 40mg/day for 8 weeks. Really felt hard, strong, and more muscular after my cycle, gained 11 pounds lean mass and loss some fat during the cycle and then lost 3-4 lbs during PCT. But, overall, Successful PCT. Then i continued taking Lj100 for natural testosterone support for 2 months.

Today, I am 26, 5"10", 185lbs. 7% body fat. I just want to reach the 200 lbs mark and add some size to my thighs and arms. I train 4-5 hours a week and a total of 90 minutes of cardio per week.

I got 21 ml testosterone enan 1ml = 250 mg in sachets, online from a reliable source. I injected 2ml on day 1, felt absolutely nothing for 3 days. So i injected 2ml more on day 4. Now its day 8 and i dont see any effect on strength, sex drive and aggression. This is my first test cycle. Is it normal ? or the stuff i bought is useless ? What were your experiences with your first test cycle in the first week?
Any useful information appreciated!!

 

[shrimp44]

Test E starts to kick in around weeks 4-6, IT didn't kick in for me until week 6, just stick to 500mg a week, 1cc on mon 1 cc on thursday,

 

[Big O]

You should have ordered suspension from alin too....It'll be 3 weeks at least before you'll see the true effects of the test e...But your on the right trach with the test e...

Proviron usually takes 7- 10 days...depending on the supression...

Perhaps horny goat weed...LOL...relax you'll be jerking off in no time flat...I did a cycle of test e 500 and 200 mg's of suspension e/d....I had to have it twice a day whether i was with myself or with my wife it didn't matter...LOL

 

[h_rock]

Test E starts to kick in around weeks 4-6, IT didn't kick in for me until week 6, just stick to 500mg a week, 1cc on mon 1 cc on thursday,

Do you mean to say that you did'nt even feel a difference in your sex drive and aggression in the first week?

 

[mikefear]

5'10 / 185... probably don't need anabolics

 

[shrimp44]

no

 

[Big O]

Mike
I think guys are deciding on there own about HRT...I think it just there way of calling a bridge HRT rather than calling it what it is...a bridge

I prefer to hear people back up there assesments about HRT with factual blood work...and every Dr. wont go over the 200 mg's e/w for HRT....which is double the PDR recomended dose

 

[shoestring2]

5'10 / 185... probably don't need anabolics

He says he is 7% at those stats. That is a lot bigger than most people who decide to use aas.

 

[h_rock]

5'10 / 185... probably don't need anabolics

Well about 1 year back, i was totally against the use of anabolics. But reading journals and articles on medicinal chemistry and chemical muscle enhancements actually changed my mind. In the past 2-3, I have gained around 25 lbs of lean mass. All natural with protein supplements and chicken breasts. and I am a real hard gainer, if i skip a meal even for a day, i would lose some muscle mass and it happens..cant avoid that because of my job.

I kept almost all gains from my Primo/var cycle with no side effects whatsoever. I just wanted to give exogenous testosterone a shot to see what it really feels like when you are on it even If i have to bear some sides for sometime. And this would be my last steroid cycle. I dont want to get really huge and my target is just 15 lbs muscle in next 4 months or so ...(10 weeks test cycle and 4 weeks of PCT). I am not gyno prone, i am taking all the precautions i could.. proscar, proviron, nolva, saw palmetto and some other herbal supplements with atleast 450 grams of proteins a day from a total of 3900- 4000 cals. Am i missing something here?

 

[h_rock]

He says he is 7% at those stats. That is a lot bigger than most people who decide to use aas.

To some extent, that could be true. Not in my case. People who are 5'10" usually have a shoe size of 9.5-10. mine is 8. My bone structure is thin.
wrist of an ectomorph or even less than that. I have thin bones wrist less than 7" circumference. With an avg. bone structure/thickness my weight would be 10-15 lbs higher. My calves and forearms are really thin in comparison to rest of the body and its all genes, no matter how hard i train them, the size doesnt change. Professional trainers could nt help me in gaining size on calves and forearms when i was staying all natural.

Considering all that, I think choice of going for anabolics is not too bad. And, the other thing, when you stop seeing a change in strength for 4-5 months even after eating and training right, anabolics is the only choice left.

 

[fugetaboutit]

5'10 / 185... probably don't need anabolics

uh, 7% BF at 185lbs even though 5'10 is great! 5'10 isn't THAT tall. 6'0 or 6'1 would be a dif. story. You make it sound like he's a stringbean at that weight. HE WOULD DEFINITELY BENEFIT FROM ANABOLICS.

 

[dsh89]

If you have Test-E that is 250 mg/ml, you need to do 1 ml every 3-4 days. So inject on Monday, and then again on Thursday. You do not need over 500mg per week. And yeah you will not see a difference until about week 4. I usually get really horny around week 2-3 and I know it is kicking in.

 

[shoestring2]

uh, 7 % BF at 185lbs even though 5'10 is great! 5'10 isn't THAT tall. 6'0 or 6'1 would be a dif. story. You make it sound like he's a stringbean at that weight. HE WOULD DEFINITELY BENEFIT FROM ANABOLICS.

This is the point I was trying to make

 

[jagerbombme]

roflmfao!!!!!!!!!

has anyone realized what he wrote here. he shot a fucking gram in the first four days. lmfao!!!!!!!! dude, you better slow down before you give yourself a heart attack, lol. hope you got some ai's

wow!

shoot 250mg twice per week for the rest of the time bro. what brand test is it?

 

[solidspine]

has anyone realized what he wrote here. he shot a fucking gram in the first four days. lmfao!!!!!!!! dude, you better slow down before you give yourself a heart attack, lol. hope you got some ai's

wow!

shoot 250mg twice per week for the rest of the time bro. what brand test is it?

Thats a lot of gear my friend,

slow down,


don't worry

just you don't need that much

and Test E takes a few weeks to kick in, like 3-4 weeks.

It is going to hit you soon enough.

 

[fugetaboutit]

roflmfao!!!!!!!!!

has anyone realized what he wrote here. he shot a fucking gram in the first four days. lmfao!!!!!!!! dude, you better slow down before you give yourself a heart attack, lol. hope you got some ai's

wow!

shoot 250mg twice per week for the rest of the time bro. what brand test is it?

That's funny. I totally missed that!
Well, in this case, perhaps he SHOULD have felt something if he put a gram in hemself in four days. No matter the ester. Maybe your gear IS bunk bro!
LOL!
Just fugin' around.
Just don't shoot that much anymore, or you'll def. remember your first cycle forever.

 

[shape]

5'10 / 185... probably don't need anabolics

mike--no disrespect because you do try at times to add valuable advice--but more often than not your telling people they dont need AAS---bro are you looking at the avatar shots you post of yourself---again no disrespect but you do not look lile someone experienced enough is AAS use to give past experience on usage and what people should or should not do

 

[dsh89]

Yeah that was the point I was trying to make. Consider it a front load this time lol.

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

patience for sure....train eat sleep train eat sleep...thats the program...occasionally stick a needle in your ass then train eat sleep

 

[NURSEPIMP]

Yeah, a nice pre load.
You will be set at 500mg a week.
I would also like to wager that this wont be the last run you take with AAS either

-NP

 

[bca21]

And you are how big mike? Or 7% bf?

 

[Big O]

Shape....I'll agree with you bro....and a lot of other bro's...no disrespect to anyone...Im done with trading insults....Ive been using gear for weel over 20 + yrs...I have nothing to prove to anyone....

 

[h_rock]

Thanks guys for all the valuable info..I dont know.. either the stuff I am using (test E by ecooils) is bullshit or something else. Its day 10 and I feel nothing. Herbal stuff (LJ100, tribulus, Yohimbe, ZMA) worked better and faster than this.

I am not gonna inject anything until day 15. and continue at 250 mg a week. I understand the weight of enanthate ester in 1ml/250mg is approx. 70 mg. Primo enan worked way faster than this but that was by British dragon. The effect of AnaVar (british dragon) is almost instant and these are just mild steroids.

This is the first time I am using a harsh /Class II steroid and I feel nothing. So was not sure whats going on.

I am using Lj100 to avoid shrinking of my balls. and so far I dont see any change in testicles size. Then, again i dont feel a change in aggression, strength, bloating and other androgenic/effects. When is it that you start seeing a change in your testicle size while on a test cycle? I have HCG in hand in case my libido starts to decline. Will post updates after day 21 and let you guys know what stuff not to buy, lol.

 

[pursuit]

5'10 / 185... probably don't need anabolics

Well for a start he has a better physique than someone at 200lbs/14% bf.

He and the guy at 200lbs/14% both have 172lbs of fat-free mass, but he has 15 lbs less of fat.

 

[mikefear]

That's because 90% of the time, the people posting here don't need anabolics.

I don't/haven't used anabolics in the sense of a 'cycle', but that doesn't mean I don't have knowledge on the subject. Offering advice and talking about past experience are two different things and to attempt to lump them together is an invalid argument.. I understand dosing, activity and properties of different anabolics -- not having used them is irrelevant when it comes to that.

Just my 2 cents. and even at 7%, which I doubt he is, based on his avatar pic, He could stand to gain a bit more naturally.

Oh yeah, and regardign him using anabolics, let's just remember this:

I got 21 ml testosterone enan 1ml = 250 mg in sachets, online from a reliable source. I injected 2ml on day 1, felt absolutely nothing for 3 days. So i injected 2ml more on day 4. Now its day 8 and i dont see any effect on strength, sex drive and aggression. This is my first test cycle. Is it normal ? or the stuff i bought is useless ? What were your experiences with your first test cycle in the first week?
Any useful information appreciated!!

 

[njmuscleguy]

roflmfao!!!!!!!!!

has anyone realized what he wrote here. he shot a fucking gram in the first four days. lmfao!!!!!!!! dude, you better slow down before you give yourself a heart attack, lol. hope you got some ai's

wow!

shoot 250mg twice per week for the rest of the time bro. what brand test is it?

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking as I was reading through this thread.... geez, talk about impatience and lack of knowledge... there'd be alot of guys in trouble if they kept injecting ml after ml the first few weeks because they didn't FEEL any different....

Test enanthate is a long-acting ester.... it takes effect within a week, but you don't FEEL anything significant until 3-4 weeks into the cycle. Heck, even with test prop it takes me a good week or so before I FEEL anything.

 

[shrimp44]

I just did my 5th injection of 250mg of test E from Iran this is the beigning of week 3, and i know for a fact that it didn't kick in yet, also I am doing 250mg of BD deca too I am up about 7 pounds from my dbols though @30mg a day

 

[bca21]

Mike are you serious? Homeboy looks better than you imo and your on hrt.No matter how you look at it your on

 

[h_rock]

roflmfao!!!!!!!!!

has anyone realized what he wrote here. he shot a fucking gram in the first four days. lmfao!!!!!!!! dude, you better slow down before you give yourself a heart attack, lol. hope you got some ai's

wow!

shoot 250mg twice per week for the rest of the time bro. what brand test is it?

Proviron 50 -75 mg and nolva 20 mg ED is enough or do i need to take anything else ?

 

[mikefear]

Mike are you serious? Homeboy looks better than you imo and your on hrt.No matter how you look at it your on

he's been training for 8 years. i've been training for one. and i wouldnt compare my 200mg wk to his 400mg week plus var 40mg a day.

 

[mikefear]

and i never said he didnt look good. he does look good.. he could just gain more naturally is all. obviously he doesnt have the knowledge to be using anyway if he's shooting a gram of test in 4 days.

 

[20ss02]

I recall a time when many people on this board were frontloading a gram of test per week. During my first cycle in 2000 I frontloaded a gram of sust for the first two weeks, then continued at 750mg/week.

You need to settle into a stable dosing schedule. If you started with 21ml and already used 4ml, you only have enough left to run 500mg/week for 8.5 weeks. I would run enanthate for 10-12 weeks.

 

[h_rock]

he's been training for 8 years. i've been training for one. and i wouldnt compare my 200mg wk to his 400mg week plus var 40mg a day.

well, according to pros, anything less than (for a 400 mg/week primo-var cycle) that even for a beginner's cycle is useless. I am more concerned about the amount of permanent strength i could gain from a cycle. The primo var cycle gave me the results in 8 weeks what i could probably have achieved in 6 months naturally. So, its a fair deal, IMO.

As far as test is concerned, so far my assessment is 1 gram in first 4 days is not that bad for front loading given the half life for enanthate is 10 days or maybe 8 days. Today is day 10 of my cycle, no effects or side effects whatsoever.

On day 12, my body would have less than 600 mg of test. On day 14, less than 500 mg. So far i dont see a disaster, but I learnt a valuable lesson, which is, F**k with Primo var, but dont f*** with test, even though it have nt done anything to me YET, but scared the shit outta me. Anyways, Proviron, nolva is enough to avoid estrogen related effects. OR Arimidex is essential for a test cycle ?

 

[acneman]

in my opinion we should move away from judging the validity of someones choice to use AAS by bodyweight and looks. instead judge the validity by age, training, medical, and reasoning.

examples
AGE
240lbs at 13% body fat age 21. nope too young no matter hes a bull.

RESONING
age 36 5'10" 210lbs 15%bf training all my life i want to do an all oral cycle. no this would be an example of the resoning aspect, they dont know enough to be safe and efective.

TRAINING
age 27 5'9" 220 20%bf i want to cut up ive been training for 4 months ive always been kinda big. barring medical i say no. with out experiance training, juicing is a receipe for injuries

MEDICAL
how about the medical issues, not just low tes levels but many. for me it was back muscle atrophy from multiple back injuries. tried natty for 2 years result more back injuries. my second cycle (i just wanna forget the first one ever happened there is that resoning thing again, no knowledge)reduced back spasm occurance from 8 times a year to 2 times a year. third cycle practically eliminated the problem.

NEED MORE INFO
180 6' training 5 years age 27. ok he an adult and hes been training do what you wanna but lets see your plan.

SIZE
6'3" 165 8%BF training for 6 years i play tennis and i think i can go pro if i increase my serve speed and endurance
you gonna tell him hes to small

just remember the resoning part dosent have to preclude someone from using completely. just delay until more well versed in AAS usage

before we judge someones decision to use AAS lets get more info than size to give advice. and if they start before they ask by all means flame the decision for any reason mentioned above but follow with ways to help salvage the bad situation. um unles you are big cracker cause his flames bring too much joy to my life

i guess im gonna stay blacked out a lot but thats ok at least im not a parrot

 

[Triple J]

the thing is there is really no science to back up what people say about not feeling it "kick-in" for several weeks .. medically it is in your system from day one, there are charts around somewhere so you can track the release rate by half-life, and if you are injecting dosages higher than HRT, you should certainly feel it. a one gram preload should be felt that week. and watch out for the estrogen sides if you are not using an anti-estrogen a test cycle is a different beast than a primo/var cycle. some people consider when they bloat from the estrogen to be when it kicks in.

 

[mikefear]

yeah bro.. no doubt. you look good and the cycle looks good, too. i was just saying that you probably werent at your natural limit yet. you just sounded a little unknowing about waht to take and how long to expect the test to work.

i hope everything works out good.. just train hard, eat lots and sleep the rest of the time good luck.

pick up some aifm, too.. keep the bloat off ya.

 

[jagerbombme]

anybody who shoots 1 gram on his first cycle of test in the first four days is fucking nuts. hehe. why is the test scaring the shit out of you now??? what's that all about?

dude, your not nescessarily gonna feel anything. your just going to get stronger, then your going to start to get bigger. you might feel something, but might not.

 

[h_rock]

anybody who shoots 1 gram on his first cycle of test in the first four days is fucking nuts. hehe. why is the test scaring the shit out of you now??? what's that all about?

dude, your not nescessarily gonna feel anything. your just going to get stronger, then your going to start to get bigger. you might feel something, but might not.

I am scared because I dont have Arimidex on hand. I am using proviron 75 mg and nolva 10 mg for now. I just ordered some AIFM today Fedex next day air, lol.

 

[timtim]

he's been training for 8 years. i've been training for one.

1 year of training and your on trt? how did you know you needed trt when you had no experience in the gym?

 

[20ss02]

1 year of training and your on trt? how did you know you needed trt when you had no experience in the gym?

You don't need experience in the gym to diagnose a need for HRT. There are plenty of people who are treated for low natural test levels that aren't lifters.

 

[timtim]

You don't need experience in the gym to diagnose a need for HRT. There are plenty of people who are treated for low natural test levels that aren't lifters.

really, never would have guessed that.

 

[20ss02]

really, never would have guessed that.

People with low natural test production usually end up at the doctor with complaints of low energy, always feeling tired, low sex drive, etc.

 

[fugetaboutit]

Arimidex keeps me high and dry during my test cycles. I take .5mg daily
and that works fine for me. Even when taking 750mg of test/week.

 

[mikefear]

People with low natural test production usually end up at the doctor with complaints of low energy, always feeling tired, low sex drive, etc.

that was exactly why i was there.

not wanting sex when you're 18 years old is fucked u0p