Testosterone boost

[Redrocker13]

I have recently breached the 40 year marker (thank-you, thank-you) and I am becoming increasingly concerned with my test output. I can honestly say I have noticed a reduction. No problems mind you. Let's say I feel more like a V-6 than a V-8. Fair enough? Of all the reading and studying of physiology I have done, I am a very firm believer in the power of test and I would like to supplement (or a supplement) to get my engine cranking. Shy of gear, as I have come to understand the term is. I did use 1-AD when it was yet avaiable and had tremendous results from it. Obviously, thanks to the vodka-snorting, fat-keistered SOB's on Capitol hill, I am not ALLOWED to have it. What, if anything, is out there to aid my engine?

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

DERMACRINE from Primordial Performance followed by Sustain Alpha from them as well.

-Legacy

 

[ALIN]

I have recently breached the 40 year marker (thank-you, thank-you) and I am becoming increasingly concerned with my test output. I can honestly say I have noticed a reduction. No problems mind you. Let's say I feel more like a V-6 than a V-8. Fair enough? Of all the reading and studying of physiology I have done, I am a very firm believer in the power of test and I would like to supplement (or a supplement) to get my engine cranking. Shy of gear, as I have come to understand the term is. I did use 1-AD when it was yet avaiable and had tremendous results from it. Obviously, thanks to the vodka-snorting, fat-keistered SOB's on Capitol hill, I am not ALLOWED to have it. What, if anything, is out there to aid my engine?

see your doctor...you may be ready for TRT.

 

[walliwalibus]

what if you don't want the spray test, or lotion, just an oral test. What is a good oral test? please no rainbow heart answers.......... Please.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Phyto-test from PP is oral.

-Legacy

 

[Redrocker13]

DERMACRINE from Primordial Performance followed by Sustain Alpha from them as well.

-Legacy

Thanks Legacy. I will check it out. I take it you have used these?? Anybody else??

 

[PoweredUp]

Thanks Legacy. I will check it out. I take it you have used these?? Anybody else??

I just finished an 8-week cycle of the Primordial Performance "Ultimate" Stack." It looked like this:

Weeks 1-4: Phyto-Testosterone and Dermacrine
Weeks 5-8: Phyto-Testosterone and Sustain Alpha

I have always opposed testosterone boosters because I think they are horse shit, however the PP line of products had gotten so many great reviews that I decided to give them a shot. My personal analysis is that the stack was ineffective. From now on the only supplements I will use are a multi-vitamin, protein (whey, egg, and casein), creatine monohydrate, L-Glutamine, and BCAA powder.

 

[SpyWizard]

DERMACRINE from Primordial Performance followed by Sustain Alpha from them as well.

-Legacy

werd to that..

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

I just finished an 8-week cycle of the Primordial Performance "Ultimate" Stack." It looked like this:

Weeks 1-4: Phyto-Testosterone and Dermacrine
Weeks 5-8: Phyto-Testosterone and Sustain Alpha

I have always opposed testosterone boosters because I think they are horse shit, however the PP line of products had gotten so many great reviews that I decided to give them a shot. My personal analysis is that the stack was ineffective. From now on the only supplements I will use are a multi-vitamin, protein (whey, egg, and casein), creatine monohydrate, L-Glutamine, and BCAA powder.

Zzzz, the ultimate stack contains more products than just those. Sounds like youre just one of those unlucky people. Stick to Tom Venutos book, seems to be about it for yah At least thats cheaper than buying sups.


Its a shame all sups dont work the same for everyone. I just ran Derma/Sustain before and got great results, I added lbm and cut fat last spring.

This spring im going to run Phyto/Derma/Sustain/CLA/toco8/endoamp/ecay should be nice!

-Legacy

 

[PoweredUp]

Zzzz, the ultimate stack contains more products than just those. Sounds like youre just one of those unlucky people. Stick to Tom Venutos book, seems to be about it for yah At least thats cheaper than buying sups.


Its a shame all sups dont work the same for everyone. I just ran Derma/Sustain before and got great results, I added lbm and cut fat last spring.

This spring im going to run Phyto/Derma/Sustain/CLA/toco8/endoamp/ecay should be nice!

-Legacy

You're right...I took the "Lean Muscle Stack" rather than the "Ultimate Lean Muscle Stack." I don't think all supplements are ineffective, just any aside from the 5 that I mentioned previously. You say that the PP products worked for you, but I wonder how much of it was your diet and exercise regimine versus the actual products. My guess is at least 99% to 1% in favor of your own hard work and clean diet.

 

[silverskyline]

You're right...I took the "Lean Muscle Stack" rather than the "Ultimate Lean Muscle Stack." I don't think all supplements are ineffective, just any aside from the 5 that I mentioned previously. You say that the PP products worked for you, but I wonder how much of it was your diet and exercise regimine versus the actual products. My guess is at least 99% to 1% in favor of your own hard work and clean diet.

Interesting thread on the PP side.

I'm gonna be done with Dermacrine in about 2 weeks on 4. It's so difficult to tell results when your comming off Gear and poppin Nolv plus Volumizer, Waxy, Protein, eating clean, multi, BCAA's etc etc etc

So I'm possable to tell for me what the Derm is doing but I'm retaining my gains and thats cool with me.

I am however looking forward to trying a photo with Endo stack next after my volumizer cycle (which has glutamine and creatine in it among others)

I think then I am just going to use the endo with photo (yeah supps work different for everyone) I'm running out of stacks to cycle though! hahah

Gotta try something new.

 

[sheriff]

Im on my 6th day of havoc and have heard good things about this stuff which is supposed to boost the testosterone so i will let ya know how it does..

 

[SouthernLord]

You're right...I took the "Lean Muscle Stack" rather than the "Ultimate Lean Muscle Stack." I don't think all supplements are ineffective, just any aside from the 5 that I mentioned previously. You say that the PP products worked for you, but I wonder how much of it was your diet and exercise regimine versus the actual products. My guess is at least 99% to 1% in favor of your own hard work and clean diet.

Just how good was YOUR diet while running these product? If your diet sucks you have no business taking supplements, but you probably already know this. I personally am seeing great gains 4 weeks into the Phyto/Derma and I know it is the products. My diet and training is consistent with what it was prior to the supplements. Maybe it is just placebo?

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

I did not adjust my diet or training from what I was already doing. I stayed on a cutter, doing lots of cardio as well. I dropped my bf down several % and added a couple lbs of lbm. I havent been able to do both while lower in cals, except for when I ran the PP products. I normally lose a small amount of muscle when I cut due to the amount of cardio I do, I did not have this happen when I ran the PP products.

Seems like a good number of people have the same stories and Im sure some of them have been training long enoug hto know if its a boost from sups or just training. I dont think you can discredit EVERY report of results.

-Legacy

 

[SouthernLord]

I did not adjust my diet or training from what I was already doing. I stayed on a cutter, doing lots of cardio as well. I dropped my bf down several % and added a couple lbs of lbm. I havent been able to do both while lower in cals, except for when I ran the PP products. I normally lose a small amount of muscle when I cut due to the amount of cardio I do, I did not have this happen when I ran the PP products.

Seems like a good number of people have the same stories and Im sure some of them have been training long enoug hto know if its a boost from sups or just training. I dont think you can discredit EVERY report of results.

-Legacy

Saturday will be five weeks for me. I am up eight pounds total and I appear leaner. I have been eating 300-500 kcal above maintenance. I have been taking 15ml of the Phyto spread over three doses a day. That might make a difference over the standard dose. I am so far satisfied and I will definitely order again.

 

[StackedXXX]

what do you guys say about myogenx from protein factory??