Test Pills from DOC!! WTF!! .25mg

[Sartan]

Hey Guys,
I went to the doc for some Prolo therapy and had my test checked. Anyway He checked my test levels and they were as follows:

Total Test 452; Estradiol 38

The test/ estrogen ratio is off and my test is way low, Im 30 years old.
He gave me pills to disolve under my toung once daily and they are .25 mg of test...yes u heard right 1/4 of a mg.
1)What can this possibly do to help? Raise my level to 453 .
2)What is the dosage to get me to 1000 mg/dl??
I plan to push him into inj. test but this is a process so what would get me to that (high normal) level.
3)Why give such a small dose? benifit??

KARMA FOR GOOD USEFUL INFORMATION.

Sartan is Confused!!

 

[biogeared]

100mg a week of Test Cyp/Enathate is a common dose for HRT.

 

[muscleup]

452 is not bad, actually it's normal...what is your total test...This is what counts the most...Your estrogen levels are a bit on the high side...

 

[Sartan]

thanks,
But why give me anything at all ?
What was the thought process in this new age Prolotherapy doc to go .25mg?

 

[muscleup]

thanks,
But why give me anything at all ?
What was the thought process in this new age Prolotherapy doc to go .25mg?

I do not know...452 is well withing the normal range...are you sure he did not give you something to control estrogen ? say arimidex ?

 

[Sartan]

Nope,
I can read it says test .25 mg !!
Last year my test was 650 now 450 I dont think thats normal!
280-1100 is within range and 450 sounds low to me Im 30 not 80
Additionally my est is 38 and that range is 0-56.

So im on the low range for test and the high for est. Thats a 11 to 1 ratio and that sux.

Thanks for responces!!

 

[Sartan]

After readin that it sounded like I was being an ASS not bein sarcastic.
So just lettin you know I didnt mean "I can read" the way it sounded

Sartan

 

[trenfan2]

Nope,
I can read it says test .25 mg !!
Last year my test was 650 now 450 I dont think thats normal!
280-1100 is within range and 450 sounds low to me Im 30 not 80
Additionally my est is 38 and that range is 0-56.

So im on the low range for test and the high for est. Thats a 11 to 1 ratio and that sux.

Thanks for responces!!

Just curious,
Are you saying the pills say test and .25mg or the bottle. What is the brand name or better yet could you post a pic? Something doesn't sound right about the dosage.

 

[wizardnor]

452 is not bad, actually it's normal...what is your total test...This is what counts the most...Your estrogen levels are a bit on the high side...

agreed if like low test try 206

 

[Sartan]

I know its crazy but yes I read the prescription(on a form .25 circled) and went to the compound pharmacy and its 1 .25mg testostrone pill dissolved under tongue everyday.

Anyone please help??

 

[tokebloke]

Sorry to rob this thread, but a few weeks ago a freind told me a doctor in Toronto here does prolotherapy. Until now he was the only one that knew about I have talked to. It is basically sugar water injections right? I have a bad elbow, would love to try it. Is it working for you?

 

[ProtienFiend]

.25 is very low.. especially oral.... i think typical androgel doses are 3-15mg and thats transdermal...

 

[Sartan]

no thats cool,
I researched the prolo and ill keep ya posted
I read nothing but good things about it. suppose to make the tendons and ligaments treated 140% or strengthen em by 40%

 

[Sartan]

bump

 

[muscleup]

bump

 

[Sartan]

OK OFF TOPIC,
My doc said my vitamines were low...ok no problem...He said he recomended juice plus....ok no problem... he said his wife sold it......ok no problem.......I get home tonight eatin supper and wife calls to see how much I want to order....ok problem.

I dont care. Im not gonna tell anyone but isnt this kinda border line unethical cuz i didnt give permission for him to share my info w/ anyone.

Again just thought it was borderline and want some opinions!!

 

[muscleup]

That sounds shady as fuck bro

 

[Bulldog_10]

OK OFF TOPIC,
My doc said my vitamines were low...ok no problem...He said he recomended juice plus....ok no problem... he said his wife sold it......ok no problem.......I get home tonight eatin supper and wife calls to see how much I want to order....ok problem.

I dont care. Im not gonna tell anyone but isnt this kinda border line unethical cuz i didnt give permission for him to share my info w/ anyone.

Again just thought it was borderline and want some opinions!!

 

[muscleup]

why not take a multivitamin ?

 

[Sartan]

well I am! I have the test showing whats low.
He gave me a pamplet and said his whole family takes it and it has documented studies blablabla......
I told her if I was interested id call.......I wont.... but I really liked the agressive Prolo doc too bad cuz after I finish the prolo I probally wont go back....This bugs me bad!!!

 

[DrJMW]

Hey Guys,
I went to the doc for some Prolo therapy and had my test checked. Anyway He checked my test levels and they were as follows:

Total Test 452; Estradiol 38

The test/ estrogen ratio is off and my test is way low, Im 30 years old.

YOUR TOTAL TESTOS FALLS WITHIN THE NORMAL RANGE; I AM SURPRISED YOU RECEIVED ANY ATTENTION. YOUR AGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. ARE YOU CLEAN? DID YOU JUST COME OFF A CYCLE? ANY NOTICABLE GROWTHS ON YOUR TESTES? AGAIN, THIS MAY BE A NORMAL READING FOR YOU.

He gave me pills to disolve under my toung once daily and they are .25 mg of test...yes u heard right 1/4 of a mg.
1)What can this possibly do to help? Raise my level to 453
THIS IS A PRETTY IGNORANT MOVE ON THE PART OF YOUR DOC. HE/SHE HASN'T DONE ENOUGH TO DIAGNOSE YOUR SITUATION. YOU MAY JUST BE SHUT DOWN OR YOU MAY AHVE A TUMOR THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, NOT TO MENTION A FEW OTHER POSSIBILITIES. THIS IS AN IGNORANT ATTEMPT TO TREAT SOMETHING WITHOUT A DIAGNOSIS. BTW, EVEN THIS SMALL DOSAGE WILL SUPPRESS YOUR HPTA.

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2)What is the dosage to get me to 1000 mg/dl??

NOT THESE SUBLINGUALS, FOR SURE. THAT IS NOT YOUR DOC'S GOAL ANYWAY. HE JUST WANTS TO GET YOU INTO THE MIDDLE OF NORMAL.

I plan to push him into inj. test but this is a process so what would get me to that (high normal) level.

FOOLISH ON YOUR PART. YOU SHOULD PRESS THE DOC INTO GIVING YOU A DEFINITIVE DIAGNOSIS BEFORE COMMITTING YOURSELF TO LIFELONG HRT.

3)Why give such a small dose? benifit??

TO GET YOU INTO THE MIDDLE OF NORMAL. GET YOURSELF PROPERLY DIAGNOSED. GETTING PRESCRIPTION MEDS IS THE EASY PART--DON'T HURT YOURSELF.

 

[Sartan]

YOUR TOTAL TESTOS FALLS WITHIN THE NORMAL RANGE; I AM SURPRISED YOU RECEIVED ANY ATTENTION. YOUR AGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. ARE YOU CLEAN? DID YOU JUST COME OFF A CYCLE? ANY NOTICABLE GROWTHS ON YOUR TESTES? AGAIN, THIS MAY BE A NORMAL READING FOR YOU.

He did do many tests. I just chose to give the short version. I have some hand problems.
Age certainly has something to do with it. My test was 900-1100 at age 20. 1 year ago it was 650. Now its 450.
No I havent cycled in years. No my balls look fine.
I still dont see how 2mg a week of test is going to anything more than raise it a point if not just supress.
I FEEL ITS MY RIGHT TO HAVE MY TEST LEVEL AT 1100 IF I WANT IT THERE.
tHEY SAY ITS MY RIGHT TO BE A TRANSSEXUAL AND GET SHOTS ALL MY LIFE.tHEY SAY ITS MY RIGHT TO GET A BOOB JOB.

Again thanks for all the replies and Karma to all even when we dont agree. If all I wanted was my own opinion i would have just emailed this to myself!

 

[DrJMW]

Then, if you truly suffer from failing testes and are determined to stay "on" forever, then discuss the prescribed treatment with your doctor. If your doc won't budge, then seek out someone who will. Otherwise, you will have to exit the traditional medical system and self-treat. You wouldn't be the first.

I have psoted this point again and again: Do not expect your docs to be competent in treating steroid athletes or athletes in general.

 

[WanderingClumsyFool]

I am not sure but I think maybea your doctor does not know much about testosterone. He prescribed you generic free testosterone to take by mouth? Common knowledge says testosterone must be injected unless it has a methyl group attached to it (as in methyl testosterone) or else your liver will eat it all up. Even if this oral fee testsoterone you have makes it by first pass metabolism into your blood stream, since it has no ester it will only raise your test levels for a very short time (testosterone's half life is 10-100 minutes).

Your main problem is your test/estrogen ratio is off. Get your estrogen levels down and your testosterone will easily go back up to 650. How would you do that? I would take nothing but arimidex for about 2 months and lose some weight. First off, the arimdex will raise your testosterone levels and lower your estrogen levels very quickly all by itself, so the problem will at least be taken care of in the short run. As for the long run--it is possible that from your cycles you have put on some lower body fat. Lower body fat typically has much more aromatase in it than upper body fat. This could be where all the estrogen is coming from. If you take arimidex and drop some weight it will get rid of this lowerbody fat. Then you can stop the arimidex and your test levels will probaly be higher (less romatase, less estrogen, less negativ feedback on yur HPTA). But why do you need arimidex you may ask, why not just lose weight? You see, lower body fat is kind of like gyno, it needs estrogen to manifest. If you starve it of estrogen and lose weight it should go away. But then again that depends on how much you have. Sometimes, just like gyno it just wont go away to easy.

Anyways, bottom line, the last thing you need right now in my opinion is more testosterone, you need to address your high aromatase leves.

 

[NYBodyguard]

something does not make sense here

 

[Sartan]

Then, if you truly suffer from failing testes and are determined to stay "on" forever, then discuss the prescribed treatment with your doctor. If your doc won't budge, then seek out someone who will. Otherwise, you will have to exit the traditional medical system and self-treat. You wouldn't be the first.

I have psoted this point again and again: Do not expect your docs to be competent in treating steroid athletes or athletes in general.

I agree 100% but he is the one who suggested Hrt not me. I know all about the self medication route.
If he wants to perscribe it Ill take it but I just dont want to waste my $$ on some crap dose that just costs me $$ and suppresses me.

 

[Sartan]

Anyways, bottom line, the last thing you need right now in my opinion is more testosterone, you need to address your high aromatase leves.

Thanks for the post,
I agree my ratio is my biggest concern. I just didnt know the long term solution to that problem.

 

[02gixxersix2]

I would definitely go see another doctor. Something just doesn't sound right.

 

[WanderingClumsyFool]

Thanks for the post,
I agree my ratio is my biggest concern. I just didnt know the long term solution to that problem.

Your welcome for any advice you think is helpful, just remeber I don't claim to know nothing for sure. Some people think taking arimidex alone is bad for you.

My main point, which is little known, if you got lower body fat, that stuff is like an aromatase factory. That also is ofcourse just a theory. Its info I got from a published research paper on an online sciene journal at pubmed.

 

[muscleup]

arimidex would help your estrogen levels...You may want to speak with your doc about this bro...