Test Levels on cycle any one?

[hockeyplayer]

Right basically ive been on a test e 500mg a week cycle. Im currently in week 8.
i think im gear could be under dosed / fake.

Im going to get my blood done so i can see exactly what test i have in my body.
I have a few question that i would be grateful if you could answer....

1. what Test levels would change with in my body. free test. total test (what am i looking for)

2. approx how much of that test shud i hav in my body during a 500mg wk cycle.



i hope you can help me.

(please dont ask for diet ,training etc saying thats why i am not gaining i have been through this on other sites but no one can seem to answer the above question for me.)


Thankyou

 

[niightz]

Have you gained any weight off the cycle at all?

 

[hockeyplayer]

stick to the questions asked.

 

[niightz]

LOL, dude dont expect people to help you if you arent willing to answer simple questions. /peace

 

[Ezekiel]

stick to the questions asked.

1st. Welcome to EF!

2nd. You came here for help, we didn't come to you. A change in tone might get you farther.

3rd. Asking about diet and routine are very pertinant questions. W/ out that info, no one can give you a informed answer.. I am sure you got it all dialed in, but humour us a little

4th. I would not go to the Dr.s while on cycle and get my test levels checked unless you plan on doing a hella lot of explaining to your Dr. as to why your test levels are off the chart and your only 18!!

5th. How old are you actually?

20 questions I know, but if you want an informed opinion then just answer them. If not,...... Ask your DR.

 

[gstacker]

I wish i could answer the question im really curious now.... The man asked a simple question if u dont know the answer then dont try n hide it by asking more questions... You guys really dont know and if u did it wouldnt mater how much he weighs and how many jumping jacks he did lastnight

 

[Ezekiel]

I wish i could answer the question im really curious now.... The man asked a simple question if u dont know the answer then dont try n hide it by asking more questions... You guys really dont know and if u did it wouldnt mater how much he weighs and how many jumping jacks he did lastnight

In fact I do know the answer! Anyone w/ ten minutes to spare using the search funtion could get the answer!

That being said, he clearly implied that he is not gaining on his cycle which is why he is thinking of getting blood tests done.

The reality is, there could be many reason why this could be happening other then "bunk gear".

Those questions a very pertinent as to why he might not be achieving the goals that he thinks he should..

Blessings,

 

[hockeyplayer]

i know guys are here to help but like i said just leave out the diet etc...

i just want answer for the questions asked. otherwise i would not have asked them. i know that sounds rude but it is the reality.

and im not going to my gp i hav a local clinic which help performance enhanced athletes out. and il be asking them when i go there just thort id see if any one cud help b4 hand.

im guessing it will be around 400-450mg as some will be lost/aromatize ? im new to this guys sorry...do correct me.

but does it come bk as simple as that in your results you recieve.....again any help is appreciated.

 

[gstacker]

Eze im 37 using test suspention ed 100ml an deca 300per week im 195lbs 5ft6 ive lost about 9lbs since i started. taking in about 2200 calories a day, i train 4 days a week 7x7 and alot of calistetics for cardio (bad knee) so if u can please tell me what my test levels should read id much apreciate it... By the way i can get blood work done without ever talking to a doctor and if a doctor ever did question it i wouldnt care anyways.. And im not going to do a search when theres a perfectly fine thread like this open..

 

[timtim]

I wish i could answer the question im really curious now.... The man asked a simple question if u dont know the answer then dont try n hide it by asking more questions... You guys really dont know and if u did it wouldnt mater how much he weighs and how many jumping jacks he did lastnight

yea but his age matters and that is a question that needs answering for a full answer. you stated you have no idea, whats the point of your post?

original poster, we need an age or we cant help you. sorry. thats reality.

 

[gstacker]

yea but his age matters and that is a question that needs answering for a full answer. you stated you have no idea, whats the point of your post?

original poster, we need an age or we cant help you. sorry. thats reality.

I stated i didnt know the answer and my point in my post is i would like to know the answer alot of replys and mumbo jumbo and no answer lol

 

[79steeler]

Everyone is different, but on 500mg's/wk of human grade test E my friends test level was at 3,694 nd/dl. So I would guess you should be close to 3,000 give or take 500. This is total test. This was a blood test performed at his doctors office. Doctor almost had a heart attack when he saw the results. Haha.

 

[Ezekiel]

i know guys are here to help but like i said just leave out the diet etc...

i just want answer for the questions asked. otherwise i would not have asked them. i know that sounds rude but it is the reality.

and im not going to my gp i hav a local clinic which help performance enhanced athletes out. and il be asking them when i go there just thort id see if any one cud help b4 hand.

im guessing it will be around 400-450mg as some will be lost/aromatize ? im new to this guys sorry...do correct me.

but does it come bk as simple as that in your results you recieve.....again any help is appreciated.

Normal Testosterone Levels by Age

Age Average
Male
Testosterone
Level 
15-24 750 ng/dl 
25-34 700 ng/dl 
35-44 650 ng/dl 
45-54 600 ng/dl 
55-64 550 ng/dl 
65-74 500 ng/dl 
75-84 450 ng/dl 
85-99 400 ng/dl

Part of the problem is that many DR's will consider 250ng/dl to be normal when in fact it is quite low..


You should be looking at your "free test" levels.

Read this: Q & A: Sex & Lust: Normal Level of Testosterone it will help..

Here is a quick quote:

What about the free testosterone levels? Here comes the "It Depends." It depends on a man's age. The normal range of free testosterone is 1.0-5.0 ng/dl. However, a guy in his 20's may have levels around 41.0 pg/ml ( p grams/milliliter) while a gentleman in his 80's may have around 9.0 pg/ml -- and they would both be considered normal.

"Normal" and "not normal" can often be hard to define in any situation. Especially in the case of testosterone there are no simple answers.

Good Luck!

 

[gstacker]

Ok again i have no idea what the answer is so ima ask. If ur taking 500mls of test e ur test levels will read diff from a 18year old and a 47 year old? If so i apoligize... But still waiting an im sure hocky guy is too

 

[gstacker]

79steeler ty! U should get some kinda priziE or somthing wow! At last a simple queation answered and he doesnt even know how many jumping jacks he did and if he skipt desert friday night

 

[timtim]

Ok again i have no idea what the answer is so ima ask. If ur taking 500mls of test e ur test levels will read diff from a 18year old and a 47 year old? If so i apoligize... But still waiting an im sure hocky guy is too

they will be way different, thats why we need alittle more information than attitude from this guy.

 

[gstacker]

they will be way different, thats why we need alittle more information than attitude from this guy.

Ok steeler is guesing somewhere around 3k without knowing a age, im pretty satisfied wirh that answer. At least i was till u said age makes a big difference so please tell... What would u expect from a 18 year old and what would u expect from a 47 year old? Both taking in the same 500mls test e per week

By the way i come on these boards to learn and share my real life experiences i seldom get into debates, and this is not a debate u claim to have knowlage about somthing so share

 

[Ezekiel]

Eze im 37 using test suspention ed 100ml an deca 300per week im 195lbs 5ft6 ive lost about 9lbs since i started. taking in about 2200 calories a day, i train 4 days a week 7x7 and alot of calistetics for cardio (bad knee) so if u can please tell me what my test levels should read id much apreciate it... By the way i can get blood work done without ever talking to a doctor and if a doctor ever did question it i wouldnt care anyways.. And im not going to do a search when theres a perfectly fine thread like this open..

I assume you're tring to bulk as you are using Deca.. if you are only eating 2200 cals a day, i would say you need to double that... 2200 cals a day doing nothing I would loose weight.

Age doesn't matter as much if you are on gear as it has suppressed your natty teset anyways.. If your not on, then it plays a big role as your body produces less and less test as you age.

Based on your avi and the amount of posts you have i would assume you know all of this better then most of us..I am by no means an expert..

Many Dr. would argue that it's not your total test that matters in regards to lifting and being strong but your free test levels.

Any free test levels that double or triple what your normal range for your age should be sound good to me!

 

[timtim]

depending on the person, it will vary greatly. someone at age 40 with a trt dose will be looking around 800 to 1000. again, varies from person to person. some will be higher, some lower. usually, with trt, the goal isnt to hit the stratosphere with the therapy because with increased test comes increased estrogen and health related sides. the goal is therapeutic doses to minimize sides and have the health benefits. a 500mg a week dose could push you over 2000 depending on age. ive never heard of 3000 plus but im sure with genetic variation, its possible. i would assume that to be with a male in their teens or 20s though, someone in their 40s would probably have alot of health related sides with test levels over 3000. age and genetic variation are both huge. a 47 year old at 500mg a week would more than likely be over a 1000. my hrt doc tries to keep patients below 1000. that is more than an anabolic environment in his opinion. the higher it goes, the riskier it gets.

 

[Ezekiel]

depending on the person, it will vary greatly. someone at age 40 with a trt dose will be looking around 800 to 1000. again, varies from person to person. some will be higher, some lower. usually, with trt, the goal isnt to hit the stratosphere with the therapy because with increased test comes increased estrogen and health related sides. the goal is therapeutic doses to minimize sides and have the health benefits. a 500mg a week dose could push you over 2000 depending on age. ive never heard of 3000 plus but im sure with genetic variation, its possible. i would assume that to be with a male in their teens or 20s though, someone in their 40s would probably have alot of health related sides with test levels over 3000. age and genetic variation are both huge. a 47 year old at 500mg a week would more than likely be over a 1000. my hrt doc tries to keep patients below 1000. that is more than an anabolic environment in his opinion. the higher it goes, the riskier it gets.

thx for that Tim!

 

[gstacker]

Tim tim im just going to go out on the limb hear and call u out. Age wont make any diff in the world if ur taking in 500mls a week of test u should be in the 3k range..

Steeler thanks again for ur input.
And who ever coppied n pasted all that natural test level stuff thanks but it was really pointless since were not discusing natural test levels.

 

[gstacker]

depending on the person, it will vary greatly. someone at age 40 with a trt dose will be looking around 800 to 1000. again, varies from person to person. some will be higher, some lower. usually, with trt, the goal isnt to hit the stratosphere with the therapy because with increased test comes increased estrogen and health related sides. the goal is therapeutic doses to minimize sides and have the health benefits. a 500mg a week dose could push you over 2000 depending on age. ive never heard of 3000 plus but im sure with genetic variation, its possible. i would assume that to be with a male in their teens or 20s though, someone in their 40s would probably have alot of health related sides with test levels over 3000. age and genetic variation are both huge. a 47 year old at 500mg a week would more than likely be over a 1000. my hrt doc tries to keep patients below 1000. that is more than an anabolic environment in his opinion. the higher it goes, the riskier it gets.

ok i can go for that thank u n sry bout my previous post just sounded like u were talking out ur ass

 

[gstacker]

I assume you're tring to bulk as you are using Deca.. if you are only eating 2200 cals a day, i would say you need to double that... 2200 cals a day doing nothing I would loose weight.

Age doesn't matter as much if you are on gear as it has suppressed your natty teset anyways.. If your not on, then it plays a big role as your body produces less and less test as you age.

Based on your avi and the amount of posts you have i would assume you know all of this better then most of us..I am by no means an expert..

Many Dr. would argue that it's not your total test that matters in regards to lifting and being strong but your free test levels.

Any free test levels that double or triple what your normal range for your age should be sound good to me!

i asked a simple question like hocky did. What should my test levels be? My cycle if u want to call it a cycle is going perfectly fine and no im not trying to bulk. My diets jus fine everythings comming along great im happy with the gear jus curios what my test levels should read if u dont know say that u dont know

 

[timtim]

Tim tim im just going to go out on the limb hear and call u out. Age wont make any diff in the world if ur taking in 500mls a week of test u should be in the 3k range..

Steeler thanks again for ur input.
And who ever coppied n pasted all that natural test level stuff thanks but it was really pointless since were not discusing natural test levels.

my friend who almost died preparing for his last show at age 50 was on over 2grams a week of various compounds. his bloodwork, which i saw firsthand, had him at 2300. we were both surprised because we thought it would have been so high. genetic variation. his bun and creatinine were off the charts though, like ridiculous.

 

[Ezekiel]

i asked a simple question like hocky did. What should my test levels be? My cycle if u want to call it a cycle is going perfectly fine and no im not trying to bulk. My diets jus fine everythings comming along great im happy with the gear jus curios what my test levels should read if u dont know say that u dont know

Knowing what your "natural levels" does play a role as that is how you gage what your levels might be while on a "cycle"

Obvioulsy when you are on your natty levels are suppressed, but it is a gage. There is now diffinative asnwer that fits all ppl.

All the research I have done suggests this. Genetics does clearly play a role. However if your natty levels are hypothetically 500, then while one if would not be unreasonable to see levels of 1500-2000.

That's the answer I have based on the research that I have done.!!

Blessings,

 

[the.gladiator1987]

i asked a simple question like hocky did. What should my test levels be? My cycle if u want to call it a cycle is going perfectly fine and no im not trying to bulk. My diets jus fine everythings comming along great im happy with the gear jus curios what my test levels should read if u dont know say that u dont know

gstacker why do you want to know your test levels? Were not doctors go get the fuckin bloodwork yourself. Theres no reason any of us should have to be able to guess someones test levels, especially on cycle. Everyone is different.

And this guy was on 2g of test and his total test was less than 2500, go figure.

 

[gstacker]

gstacker why do you want to know your test levels? Were not doctors go get the fuckin bloodwork yourself. Theres no reason any of us should have to be able to guess someones test levels, especially on cycle. Everyone is different.

And this guy was on 2g of test and his total test was less than 2500, go figure.

actually he was on 2 grams of somthing not specified perhaps some test but 2 grams of test dubtful....2 grams combined yes i believe that cuz thats what he stated and i dont believe him to be a liar..and it wasnt me who asked the question but after it was i asked i wanted to know and people keep asking questions that have nothing to do with the answers and i realise ur not a doctore and i apoligised to tim tim he did post something other than a copy n paste with some insite....you dont know the answer either do you? im steal going to belive it will be around the same 3k with 500mls a week test e....plus or minus my point about my post is this a question was asked a simple question and it took a bunch of questions and debate to get any kind of answer....does age training diet or amount of weight gained really honestly have an efect of how much the test levels be elevated? if so back it up.....you said it urself who cares about what ur test levels are when on, well obviosly not you! but i was curious and hocky was to so there are at least the two of us that are if you dont care thats fine this threads not for you, ya? ok

 

[the.gladiator1987]

actually he was on 2 grams of somthing not specified perhaps some test but 2 grams of test dubtful....2 grams combined yes i believe that cuz thats what he stated and i dont believe him to be a liar..and it wasnt me who asked the question but after it was i asked i wanted to know and people keep asking questions that have nothing to do with the answers and i realise ur not a doctore and i apoligised to tim tim he did post something other than a copy n paste with some insite....you dont know the answer either do you? im steal going to belive it will be around the same 3k with 500mls a week test e....plus or minus my point about my post is this a question was asked a simple question and it took a bunch of questions and debate to get any kind of answer....does age training diet or amount of weight gained really honestly have an efect of how much the test levels be elevated? if so back it up.....you said it urself who cares about what ur test levels are when on, well obviosly not you! but i was curious and hocky was to so there are at least the two of us that are if you dont care thats fine this threads not for you, ya? ok

jesus christ learn how to spell

sure it would be around 3000. no one knows for sure though. It could be less, ya? Only way to find out 100% sure would to go get a blood test, ya?

 

[2DIEZEL]

Its only 500mgs just shoot the shit...

 

[artificialaspirations]

it depends on genetics and body mass.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Lots of factors. But what's also interesting is that a mere 100mgs can increase your total T by 500ng. But 1000mgs may increase it by 1000ngs. The gains are not exponential according to dosage.

 

[timtim]

Lots of factors. But what's also interesting is that a mere 100mgs can increase your total T by 500ng. But 1000mgs may increase it by 1000ngs. The gains are not exponential according to dosage.

thank you.

 

[2evil]

Also, if you're running HCG on cycle that will impact test levels as you're not really shutdown.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Also, if you're running HCG on cycle that will impact test levels as you're not really shutdown.

Not really. HCG doesn't maintain natural T, it artificially elevates it temporarily.

 

[2evil]

Not really. HCG doesn't maintain natural T, it artificially elevates it temporarily.

Well I know this, if you're testing total TEST within 2-3 days of shooting 250iu of HCG you will be a few hundred ng higher than you otherwise would be. So if you're shooting that every 3 days or so your going to be higher than the guy who's not shooting and nuts are shut down. No?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well I know this, if you're testing total TEST within 2-3 days of shooting 250iu of HCG you will be a few hundred ng higher than you otherwise would be. So if you're shooting that every 3 days or so your going to be higher than the guy who's not shooting and nuts are shut down. No?

That is correct.

 

[heavydutyhit]

There are all kinds of factors that can have an effect on this.

These guys were wanting "age" to try and determine what this guys pre-cycle levels would be. So actually, that chart posted earlier was relevant to this discussion. If two guys are both taking 500mg pw of test, and one had an original test level of 789, and the other began with a test level of 210, there WILL be an impact on the blood test results!

As mentioned before, hcg can have an impact as well.

What if the guy is taking Arimidex and Propecia? These two drugs prevent two of the body's negative feedback mechanisms for dealing with the dramatically increased testosterone levels. If he is taking one or both of these drugs, then there will be an impact on the test result.

Diet can also have an impact on the test result, not to mention factors that have not even been brought to attention yet, such as the time his blood will be drawn in relation to his injection time. Is he injecting 500mg all at once, or is he injecting 250mg twice per week? Is he gonna get blood taken 5 days after his injection, or 5 hours after his injection? Just wondering because the elapsed time WILL have an impact on the test result.

Bottomline is that this guy posted a VERY vague question about an infinitely complex topic. Without additional information it was/is nearly impossible to post an EDUCATED answer to his question.

We could of course pull some random number out of our ass based on a guess, or tell some story about an experience our friend had that is based on hearsay at best, and then provide absolutely nothing to support the post. I guess you would be "totally cool" with that answer.

However, for those of us who have studied these subjects in great detail over the years, and have first hand experience with them, we would prefer to post up an informative and educated response based on widely accepted medical research, and realistic logic. Especially since our reputation on this board will be governed by the information we share with our brothers, and most importantly, the validity, truth, and relevance of said information.