“Test is Test.” The actual amount of testosterone in your gear.

[jubei]

With nothing lingering in your blood stream from past shots, you will not notice a signifigant elevation of test levels 3 hours after a shot of cypionate. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure. Anyways don't want to get in the middle of a fight between riker and montana. Just dropping my 2 cents.

 

[Riker29]

Riker: Now, what's YOUR problem? Geez, I wasn't just trying to argue with you bro. But you are incorrect.

Listen; I'm on HRT and I get my blood tested often but I have to be careful not to be tested too soon after taking a shot because -- guess what? -- my T level will show an inappropriate number. It's happened before. Shortly after a 200 mg shot of cyp my T was over 2000! (And it had been 2 weeks since my last shot). They wanted to cease therepy because it was so high. Now I make sure it's at the end of the week after my shot, upon which my level is around 700.

Now will YOU admt YOU'RE wrong? Personally, I don't give a shit and I don't want to go tit for tat, but it gets really annoying to have people get on your case when they're the one's who need to get their facts straight.

Well, thats quite surprising to hear because it goes against what most people know and understand regarding esters and how they operate. I mean yes, you STRAT to get an elevated level very quickly, (the graph starts at zero and goes up soon after injection) but I would not think it would be THAT high THAT soon, with THAT long of an ester.

Hm, are we really sure that none was injected directly into the blood stream? That may have been the reason for it.

And, note, I have no problem with you personally. Its just that at times, your flat-out unwillingness to bend, even at the slightest, to admit that you even MAY be wrong, gets quite annoying and actually goes towards losing you more potential buyers of your books than it does to increase those numbers. I think thats why you take a lot of "heat". Sure it sounds out of line in terms of what people are discussing with you, but they are not reacting to the facts, they are reacting to the "tone" of how they are "talked down to".

I work in the self-help industry (among other things) and have learned that sure, its good to BE the person who has knowledge, but to present yourself as if you have ALL of the knowledge, and to act and posture as if everyone else hardly knows anything (its called being condescending) turns people off.

Do what you want. I don't care. I am not living off the revenue's of your book sales. I help teach guys to meet women - which is the reason half of guys work out anyway.

With all that said, I do have a lot of respect for you and you are very knowledgable in many ways. I do not agree with everything you say or preach, but you are far far far more correct and helpful than you are the reverse.

If you lived near me, I'd glady buy ya a beer and BS for a while. Assuming neither of us was cutting, of course. LOL

 

[Nelson Montana]

Okay, now that everybody has their underwear out of the crack of their ass...

I believe"tone" can be perceived and I don't think there was anything condesending toward you in my original post.

BE THAT AS IT MAY...

Try to realize that when you're the guy under the gun, it becomes near impossible to be diplomatc, and in-depth to everyone, all the time. Sometimes I'm curt, and it comes off as arrognet. I get people pissed at me because I tell them I haven't the time e-mail an ongoing diet plan or a full detailed chest training program. Seriously.

Anyway, I would accept that beer.

Now tell me how I can pick up more women and I'll listen.

 

[Riker29]

Okay, now that everybody has their underwear out of the crack of their ass...

I believe"tone" can be perceived and I don't think there was anything condesending toward you in my original post.

Yeah, but like I said, speak one way for a while, and people start to react to you in that way, all the time. Even on those occasions when you dont speak like that!

I got to be a real unpleasant guy on the Seduction email list I help to admin, having to deal with all of the newbie questions, out-of-context questions, and BS, all the time. Then even after I got better at dealing with it, I still have guys that react to the way I "was" years ago. Oh well.

Anyway, I would accept that beer.

Now tell me how I can pick up more women and I'll listen.

Oh no - not you too! LOL.

Here is the guy who has the seminars and products (and also the guy who George's Seduction book blatantly plagurizies, in addition to me and my writings as well)...

www.speed-seduction.com

 

[jubei]

Riker, enough about that nonsense, lets hear about meeting women. Fuck, lets get our priorities straight around here.

 

[Slowmo21]

I think Nelson is right. Some of you need to stop believing in BB myths. Even with a long chain ester like enanthate, the peak concentration is achieved very quickly (a day or two). Then the level will decline for around 2-3 weeks and you hit zero, provided there's no endogenous production.

 

[brotheriron]

Even after a shot of enathate t levels will increase within a few hours.
No-ones mentioned the fact that the half life of a test does alter its side effects. I would do a gram a week of enanthate but not suspension, or even prop at the same mg for mg dosage
Bro

 

[bigdelt69]

This is a very great thread guys!

But I still dont believe that all forms of testosterone cause the same sides. I mean, sure once the ester is removed that would be the case. But time and time again we see people complain more about short acting esters causing the so called 'test flu'. Think about the amount of BA you are injecting when compared to injecting prop ed vs. enanthate ew. I also believe that some of the sides come from not being able to keep blood levels consistent. If your bloodlevels are constantly up and down you are going to have more sides. (ie acne).

 

[Slider]

Nice post duff, I agree with the facts of this.

Slider

Karma for you

 

[MrRTTB]

nice post