“Test is Test.” The actual amount of testosterone in your gear.

[boxeo]

one of the best posts ive read yet.

 

[duff_rose]

For all test esters to behave EXACTLY the same they must be injected at a frequency inversely proportional to the halflife of the ester... This mistake may account for people's perception that all test isn't the same.

That is a very helpful statement which sholuld have been included in the origional post to help get the point across. Thanks Zeke, karma for you.

 

[Nelson Montana]

duff: I'm not exactly sure what it is that you think I said. But in regard to suspension, I agree. Since it isn't an oil based ester and has such a short half life, I always saw it as a seperate entity. i.e the mg per mg comparison doesn't line up. All the oils, however, are so close it wouldn't be detectable. And if you get your test from a compound pharmacy it may be a few mgs high or low. I believe in precise dosing, but a mg here and there isn't going to make that much of a difference.

 

[bbkingpin]

duff: I'm not exactly sure what it is that you think I said. But in regard to suspension, I agree. Since it isn't an oil based ester and has such a short half life, I always saw it as a seperate entity. i.e the mg per mg comparison doesn't line up. All the oils, however, are so close it wouldn't be detectable. And if you get your test from a compound pharmacy it may be a few mgs high or low. I believe in precise dosing, but a mg here and there isn't going to make that much of a difference.

Keep back peddling.

 

[Riker29]

The only part of the post I dispute is the "time to circulate" concept. Test is effective almost immediatly. (Once it filters through the bloodstream -- about an hour) What it does after 3 days is no different from what it's doing after 3 hours. So test is test, and it does what test does as long as it's active.

I know what you are trying to say, but the way it's stated above is misleading.

Yes, TEST is effective almost immediately, but when you inject Test which is attached to an ester, it is not AVAILABLE immediately.

When Test is bound to an Ester and injected, it is sort of "held" with that Ester and is not directly available to the bloodstream. Depending upon the type of ester used, it is then slowly RELEASED. Once it is RELEASED and then into the blood stream, THEN it is "effective almost immediatly".

The way it was stated will make some guys think that if they inject Cypionate for example, that like 3 hours after injecting they will have "high test levels" and then given the long half-life of Cyp, they wil think will STAY that way for like the several weeks until the ester breaks down. Thats not correct.

The fact is that when you inject TestCyp, you will see very LITTLE effect for a few days. Its only when the Test which is combined with the ester starts to get released will the Test actually be "available".

I am not an expert on this stuff, but from what I do know, I think that is an important set of distinctions.

One thing that gets overlooked in ester choice - the sensitivity to changes in doseage time. Meaning if you do Cypionate and inject normally 2x a week, and for some reason one injection gets delayed for 2 days, no big deal. But if that happens with Prop or Suspension then the effects are quite different.

 

[busta246]

So your sayin all gear is underdosed then?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Riker: Actually, if you were to have a blood test 3 hours ater taking a shot of cypionate, you would show an elevated T level.

BBKingpin: Backpeddling from what? I've noticed on several posts that you've been antagonistic toward me, and your complaint is always against something I never even said or done -- it's just your twisted interpretation of it. What's your problem dude? You got something to say, say it.

 

[Riker29]

Riker: Actually, if you were to have a blood test 3 hours ater taking a shot of cypionate, you would show an elevated T level.

Jeez, you know, one day when I log in and Nelson says "you know .. I stand corrected, I was wrong" I will probably fall off of my chair in amazement.

That's fine, Nelson. Save Face. Say what you want. No wonder you get so much heat from people. Sorry I took the time to actually try to point something out and correct what you said.

 

[jubei]

An elevated test level 3 hours after injecting cypionate. Um not really. Riker is right.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Riker: Now, what's YOUR problem? Geez, I wasn't just trying to argue with you bro. But you are incorrect.

Listen; I'm on HRT and I get my blood tested often but I have to be careful not to be tested too soon after taking a shot because -- guess what? -- my T level will show an inappropriate number. It's happened before. Shortly after a 200 mg shot of cyp my T was over 2000! (And it had been 2 weeks since my last shot). They wanted to cease therepy because it was so high. Now I make sure it's at the end of the week after my shot, upon which my level is around 700.

Now will YOU admt YOU'RE wrong? Personally, I don't give a shit and I don't want to go tit for tat, but it gets really annoying to have people get on your case when they're the one's who need to get their facts straight.