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Test Is OVERRATED!
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drwoody
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Very good thread,lots of great info.
I'm currently on week 7 of a 400mg/week Test E cycle.I just started Winny at 50mg ED today.Now this is my first time on test and I'm 39 years old.So far my strenght is up quite a bit,but the results are just ok,who knows maybe they get better in weeks 8-12,and yes my diet and training are very much inline and extremely strict.
This is my third cycle,the first 2 were Primo/Winny.Now it could be because the Primo was Schering and the Winny was Zambons,but the results from those 2 cycles completely blow away the results I'm getting from test.Man I wish I could get some of those Schering Primos again.My 2c.
I'm currently on week 7 of a 400mg/week Test E cycle.I just started Winny at 50mg ED today.Now this is my first time on test and I'm 39 years old.So far my strenght is up quite a bit,but the results are just ok,who knows maybe they get better in weeks 8-12,and yes my diet and training are very much inline and extremely strict.
This is my third cycle,the first 2 were Primo/Winny.Now it could be because the Primo was Schering and the Winny was Zambons,but the results from those 2 cycles completely blow away the results I'm getting from test.Man I wish I could get some of those Schering Primos again.My 2c.
chazk
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muscle Is muscle when its muscle...
you guys dont relize one thing test creates alot of extra blood volume water retention inside and outside the muscle...cuase alot of muscle but also water and just extraweight in bloat.....even with anti estrogens involved
so when on high test amounts you have to look at the weight gain totals then see how much is muscle how much is water...we all know this becuase guys can gain 5-7lbs in 10 days on test ... no way you can build muscle through protien synthises that fast so it has to be water and blood volume.
So if a guy runs 1 gram of test and gains 30lbs ... how much is increased blood? how much is bloating? how much is water retention inside and outside the muscle? was it half was it less?
was the actual muscle gain 15lbs? 10lbs?
did you gain a little fat eating heavy say 5 lbs?
if so the gains off the test might have been only 10lbs out of 30lbs...
only way to know is when your clean for 6 months lose all the extra water ,fat,estrogen bloat and blood volume ..
(prob is most guys never know becuase they stay on year round or get right back on after 2 months)
now if we run a gram of primo non aromatization
the primo does not cuase the big water gains,the risk of gyno,or heavy blood volume.primos gains are mainly due to protien sythisis building of actual muscle fiber and guys often burn fat so they tone up.
so when a person gains 15lbs off primo at the end of the cycle...most of it is muscle,plus they can eat less calories on primo and not risk even getting fat becuase primo works decent on a lower calorie diet to build muscle so no need for the piling of usless calories.Often primo users get more shape and the skin is tigher .
so comparing test gains to primo is like apples to oranges...
Only way to know is to try it on yourself... primo is expensive even at raw powder prices.... But rumor has it arnold loved the stuff. Noticed arnolds tight skin ,sunking face and lean look above the other guys of his time back in 1975? guys from europe used primo becuase that was available to them eazy and cheap (arnold,franco,surge)... guys in the usa used deca to stack with the dbol (mike katz,lou,whaller)...rumor even has it that frank zane lived with arnold around 1970 to train with him arnold exchanged drug info and zane exchanged diet info... was the secret primo? zane really got more cut towards the mid seventies...who knows....
you guys dont relize one thing test creates alot of extra blood volume water retention inside and outside the muscle...cuase alot of muscle but also water and just extraweight in bloat.....even with anti estrogens involved
so when on high test amounts you have to look at the weight gain totals then see how much is muscle how much is water...we all know this becuase guys can gain 5-7lbs in 10 days on test ... no way you can build muscle through protien synthises that fast so it has to be water and blood volume.
So if a guy runs 1 gram of test and gains 30lbs ... how much is increased blood? how much is bloating? how much is water retention inside and outside the muscle? was it half was it less?
was the actual muscle gain 15lbs? 10lbs?
did you gain a little fat eating heavy say 5 lbs?
if so the gains off the test might have been only 10lbs out of 30lbs...
only way to know is when your clean for 6 months lose all the extra water ,fat,estrogen bloat and blood volume ..
(prob is most guys never know becuase they stay on year round or get right back on after 2 months)
now if we run a gram of primo non aromatization
the primo does not cuase the big water gains,the risk of gyno,or heavy blood volume.primos gains are mainly due to protien sythisis building of actual muscle fiber and guys often burn fat so they tone up.
so when a person gains 15lbs off primo at the end of the cycle...most of it is muscle,plus they can eat less calories on primo and not risk even getting fat becuase primo works decent on a lower calorie diet to build muscle so no need for the piling of usless calories.Often primo users get more shape and the skin is tigher .
so comparing test gains to primo is like apples to oranges...
Only way to know is to try it on yourself... primo is expensive even at raw powder prices.... But rumor has it arnold loved the stuff. Noticed arnolds tight skin ,sunking face and lean look above the other guys of his time back in 1975? guys from europe used primo becuase that was available to them eazy and cheap (arnold,franco,surge)... guys in the usa used deca to stack with the dbol (mike katz,lou,whaller)...rumor even has it that frank zane lived with arnold around 1970 to train with him arnold exchanged drug info and zane exchanged diet info... was the secret primo? zane really got more cut towards the mid seventies...who knows....
chazk
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also the simple fact is this test is cheaper then ,primo ,winne,mast,anavar,tbol and even eq
alot of guys in the game can barley even afford a gym membership and cant even keep decent tires on their rusted out ford escort .
if you know what i mean.
the ones with more money spend on better quality body they will build ,wether it be cleaner food or better drugs...
when your a big baller your even doing GH and IGF ...
when your low dollar your scraping for some test and etra large number 3# value meal
alot of guys in the game can barley even afford a gym membership and cant even keep decent tires on their rusted out ford escort .
if you know what i mean.
the ones with more money spend on better quality body they will build ,wether it be cleaner food or better drugs...
when your a big baller your even doing GH and IGF ...
when your low dollar your scraping for some test and etra large number 3# value meal
no1_brawler
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Thats bullshit. I know alot of guys who went on Test alone and kept 70-100% of their gains, and thats after 6months being clean. If your below your genetic limit, you will keep it, if your over you will lose it no matter what you were on.
chazk
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oh jeez let me guess your 18 year old friends going through puberty....no1_brawler said:
this is talking about adults here no1 like I said wait untill you 23 and done growing then start cycling see how much you keep every cycle..
your genetic limit was that your 18 growing from puberty and just filled out and did a test cycle...big deal...
No1 lets get this straight you did not keep 100% of your gains
unless you still have the test bloat and water retention from the last cycle or maybe your into another cycle.
18 is just a kid man you think your big and macho and running cycles bro .I was their did it done that 10 years ago or while you were still in the second grade...
listen to exp guys man just for once in your life...
Pat_McCrotch
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Nelson i would listen to you more if you did not come across as condescending to people even if they are ass hholes to you.
"would you elaborate or is that all you got" take a lesson from Ross on debating. people are not going to agree with you and they are going to say dumb shit. blow it off and debate it dont call someone a poopie head. just reply to thier answers and leave it at that.
"would you elaborate or is that all you got" take a lesson from Ross on debating. people are not going to agree with you and they are going to say dumb shit. blow it off and debate it dont call someone a poopie head. just reply to thier answers and leave it at that.
The_Chemist
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Yes, I agree that test is overabused. But it definatley has its place. After all, your body already naturally produces it.
Good point on the cost savings. I think alot of people are using huge amounts of test becuse a 10ml vial is anywhere from 40-100$. Cheap in terms of BB standards. Very cheap!
Primo vs Var. Excellent point, primo is cheaper and NOT liver toxic like Var. Var also punishes your HDL and skyrockets your LDL. Dig up my posts when i was taking 100mgs of var and you'll see what I mean. HDL levels were non existant.
That being said, I still prefer Var over Primo. Why? As my moniker suggests, I am gentically predisposed to androgentic alopecia, and Var does not have a negative impact on my hairline, while Primo almost certainly did. For those that are predisposed to AA, var is a superior choice IMO. Just make sure you monitor and control cholesterol levels properly.
Good point on the cost savings. I think alot of people are using huge amounts of test becuse a 10ml vial is anywhere from 40-100$. Cheap in terms of BB standards. Very cheap!
Primo vs Var. Excellent point, primo is cheaper and NOT liver toxic like Var. Var also punishes your HDL and skyrockets your LDL. Dig up my posts when i was taking 100mgs of var and you'll see what I mean. HDL levels were non existant.
That being said, I still prefer Var over Primo. Why? As my moniker suggests, I am gentically predisposed to androgentic alopecia, and Var does not have a negative impact on my hairline, while Primo almost certainly did. For those that are predisposed to AA, var is a superior choice IMO. Just make sure you monitor and control cholesterol levels properly.
The_Chemist
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shrimp44 said:
EQ never has nor ever will make any difference in the appearance or quality of my physique. Some people rave about Eq, however it just didnt do anything for me. I've ran it three times in dosages ranging from 400-750mgs/week.
